Arranged marriage

If you are going to give something as fundamental to human happiness as marriage to a third party it is almost impossible to justify not doing the same for other aspects of life- occupation, location, number of children, diet etc. The more liberties you take from people the less happy they tend to be, people enjoy making their own decisions even if they are poor ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice
That actually isn't the case. People are generally more happy when they have less choices. I think that we should engage in division of labour such that the decisions one has to make are always limited to under 5 choices. This would be purely consensual (people would pay to have their choices reduced) and that way people would have less decision anxiety and still be able to make effective decisions.
@Puppet Pal Clem makes a good point about there being a theoretical distinction between an arranged and a forced marriage, but the practical reality is social pressures are either so strong in a given culture that the theoretically arranged marriage is effectively a forced one (Ie rural China) or so weak as to be little more than a pseudo dating service (historically the Jewish community).
In the OP I was trying to talk about services like http://www.shaadi.com/ and jewish pseudo dating services but that clearly wasn't effectively communicated.
The kid doesn't get to consent to being raised in a loveless household.
But they likewise don't get to consent to living in a household with love either. The best thing would be to do what is empirically found to be the best environment for the child such that if they were to be able to rationally choose then they would choose that scenario. What that is I don't know because I am not a child psychologist but it is ethnocentric to assume that the 21st century western ideal is the correct one.
ETA: You're addressing love and marriage way too scientifically and logically. Love is anything but. Yes there are things I look for in a partner, but they can't be found in an algorithm.
I am rating this optimistic because psychologists already look at love in a scientific manner and you gave no evidence to suggest that it cannot be quantified (although I admit it will be difficult).
 
Romantic love is a pretty modern notion - for most of history, marriages were arranged but then again, marriage was mostly a way of well off families to forge alliances with other families. For the rest of the population, it was probably about fulfilling religious duties to procreate. I don't think Orthodox Jews engage in strict arranged marriages but they do have matchmakers who arrange matches for young people and who work with the family to make sure their child finds the right person to marry.

I'm not sure how it would work too well in the modern setting - I'm guessing in a case like India, you have a society that's extremely religious and that has strict gender roles. There's low rates of divorce probably because they feel they're obliged to love each other. There's certainly a lot of behind the scenes stuff with arranged marriages in India about negotiating dowries and the like.
 
I once had a friend from India explain the "successes" of arranged marriages to me as follows: Arranged marriages work because the kind of people who will willingly marry off to whoever their family tells them to as opposed to running away are the same kind of people who will stay in an unhappy marriage.

And if refusing arranged marriages weren't a problem, we wouldn't have all these women from places like Pakistan and India being afraid to go visit family back home for fear that they'll be married off to some lout against their will.
 
If two people can get along, and suitably provide for one another, and respectably raise children, and this is something they both want, even in the absence of some romantic unquantifiable maybe even perceivedly spiritual or magical attraction called love, why should this not be encouraged?
Just because it's not tangible, doesn't mean it doesn't matter. You can't just ignore people's feelings. Unquantifiable feelings are people's primary motivations for living. People work all day at shitty jobs just to save up money and time for their indulgences.

Encouraging people to enter loveless marriages is missing the whole point.
Having both a mom and dad is largely necessary to the healthy development of children, as both social and moralistic role models, where many undervalue the importance of this or think the function of family is purely financial or infrastructural support.
Very unlikely. Over the span of the US population, you might be able to see differences in welfare between children in nuclear families compared to other family structures, but by and large, the biggest deciding factor is economics. Single parent households don't struggle because little Johnny lacks a father figure. They struggle because they have half the income a nuclear family does.

They're poorer and have to make hard, shitty decisions about what they spend their limited finances on. And those decisions don't always favor health.
Look at how crippled the African American community is by their excess of children born outside of wedlock and financial stability.
The African American community is crippled by poverty.
Arranged marriages offer the opportunity for structurally stable households to form in the absence of romantic interest.
If the people participating in it are fine with this, what is to object to?
That's a big if.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice
That actually isn't the case. People are generally more happy when they have less choices. I think that we should engage in division of labour such that the decisions one has to make are always limited to under 5 choices. This would be purely consensual (people would pay to have their choices reduced) and that way people would have less decision anxiety and still be able to make effective decisions.
I don't know, this article seems to be a lot of philosophizing and theory without much of substance to back it up.

They also define "choice" pretty narrowly. They seem to be discussing like, immediate choices that you could decide with a coin flip or by rolling a die. Like "where are we going to eat tonight?" Life choices are better represented as a tree, with lots of varying branches to take, ones that might lead to other choices down the road.

In my experience, people tend to arrange their life so they are exposed to the choices they want to make. They do this on their own, as mature adults, without some sort of bureaucratic life-planning service.

They do have services for planning life choices though. For autists.

It's not like there's an epidemic of depressed people who cry themselves to sleep, wondering about the road not taken. "What if I had only threw caution to the wind, bought a motorcycle, and went on adventures with my best friend throughout the American southwest... if only..."
 
Just because it's not tangible, doesn't mean it doesn't matter. You can't just ignore people's feelings. Unquantifiable feelings are people's primary motivations for living. People work all day at shitty jobs just to save up money and time for their indulgences.
Considering that people have revealed preferences their feelings (or at least motivations) are very easily quantifiable. Taking into account bounded rationality makes it a little more difficult but still doable.
That's a big if.
As I said in the OP if you don't want to engage in this institution you can just choose not to
In my experience, people tend to arrange their life so they are exposed to the choices they want to make. They do this on their own, as mature adults, without some sort of bureaucratic life-planning service.
I don't quite get what you mean by this. Do you mean that they systematically avoid trivial decisions such as what to eat for breakfast in favour of important career decisions and the like. I have some doubts as to that the people you know actually do this or how you would know unless they explained how they do it. If they actually do this then I would like you to introduce me to them because they seem like some of the most competent people in the world. In my experience nobody that I have met engages in a systematic optimization of the choices and the procedures that they use to make them.
They do have services for planning life choices though. For autists.
Provide a link
It's not like there's an epidemic of depressed people who cry themselves to sleep, wondering about the road not taken. "What if I had only threw caution to the wind, bought a motorcycle, and went on adventures with my best friend throughout the American southwest... if only..."
That is not what I said. I said that there is an epidemic of people who make the wrong decisions because they misallocate their cognitive resources and that @Vitriol was wrong in postulating that making wrong decisions in a non systematic manner provides happiness
 
I don't quite get what you mean by this. Do you mean that they systematically avoid trivial decisions such as what to eat for breakfast in favour of important career decisions and the like. I have some doubts as to that the people you know actually do this or how you would know unless they explained how they do it. If they actually do this then I would like you to introduce me to them because they seem like some of the most competent people in the world. In my experience nobody that I have met engages in a systematic optimization of the choices and the procedures that they use to make them.
I don't think choosing what to eat for breakfast is emotionally taxing for normal people. I think people are aware that big decisions exist, so they give themselves room to ponder the big decisions comfortably over a period of time.

It's not usually a conscious action to act this way. Normal people are gradually exposed to more and more adult life during childhood, so by the time they reach adulthood, they when they have to start planning early for something. They know how to cope with adulthood so that making choices isn't emotionally taxing.
Provide a link
I was making a reference to group homes.
That is not what I said. I said that there is an epidemic of people who make the wrong decisions because they misallocate their cognitive resources and that @Vitriol was wrong in postulating that making wrong decisions in a non systematic manner provides happiness
You seemed to be focusing more on the happiness aspect. You were suggesting that too many choices make people unhappy.
 
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As I said in the OP if you don't want to engage in this institution you can just choose not to

In many cases, those who "don't want to engage in this institution" can only make that choice by running away from their family, not speaking to them again for a long time if ever. Similarly, I suppose women growing up in places where genital mutilation is a thing can "choose not to engage in it." Now, maybe *some* families that support arranged marriage are forward-thinking enough to not turn it into arranged shotgun marriage, but I've heard of plenty of cases where this was not the case, including a few I know personally.
 
In many cases, those who "don't want to engage in this institution" can only make that choice by running away from their family, not speaking to them again for a long time if ever. Similarly, I suppose women growing up in places where genital mutilation is a thing can "choose not to engage in it." Now, maybe *some* families that support arranged marriage are forward-thinking enough to not turn it into arranged shotgun marriage, but I've heard of plenty of cases where this was not the case, including a few I know personally.
I think he's talking about his more general proposal for a life coach service.

Personally, I think if you need a life coach, you're probably a giant loser, or otherwise have pretty specialized circumstances. Life isn't that hard. Just chill the fuck out.
 
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