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Article 13 approved by European Parliament by 438 votes to 226
September 12, 2018







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MEPs have voted to pass the much-discussed Article 13 of the European Copyright Directive. Of the 751 politicians voting on the directive today in Strasbourg, 438 voted in favour, 226 against and 39 abstained.


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Sylvie Guillaume

✔@sylvieguillaume




Soulagement après le vote sur la directive #droitdauteur. L'Europe de la diversité culturelle renforcée, une presse indépendante et la liberté d'expression préservées après le vote du rapport @AxelVossMdEP. Les négociations vont pouvoir enfin débuter avec le Conseil.

9:02 PM - Sep 12, 2018

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This section of the proposed legislation would make internet platforms liable for copyrighted content uploaded by their users:

“Article 13 creates an obligation on information society service providers storing and giving access to large amounts of works and other subject-matter uploaded by their users to take appropriate and proportionate measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders and to prevent the availability on their services of content identified by rightholders in cooperation with the service providers”

This would remove the ‘safe harbours’ that have been a long-term bugbear for music rightsholders, who see them as responsible for the ‘value gap’ between the music royalties paid by platforms like YouTube, and those that do not benefit from safe harbours, like Spotify and Apple Music.

Critics of Article 13 argue that it would damage key principles of free expression online by forcing platforms to filter anything that might be copyrighted content, while also damaging the chances of small internet startups to compete with giants like Google/YouTube, who can afford to spend tens of millions of dollars building tools like the latter’s ContentID to comply with the legislation.

The news is already being celebrated by music rightsholders and their representative bodies, but will come as a blow to the technology companies and activists who had been campaigning against the proposal.

Independent body Impala was one of the first to hail the news, describing it as a “great result for creators”. Boss Helen Smith had published an opinion piece earlier this week defending the proposed legislation. “Nobody in our community is suggesting ‘tearing down the internet.’ What we are asking lawmakers to do is to make sure that it works for everyone,” she wrote.




IMPALA@IMPALAMusic

MEP @AxelVossMdEP Proposal wins the vote, great result for creators #EuropeforCreators

8:59 PM - Sep 12, 2018

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Paul Pacifico, boss of UK independent body AIM, hailed the vote as “a great day for music and culture in Europe” in a tweet shortly after the vote. He also published an opinion piece this week, criticising the lobbying tactics of companies and organisations who had opposed Article 13.




Paul Pacifico

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A great day for culture and music in #europe as the #copyrightdirective is adopted by @Europarl_EN including #article13 - thank you #MEPs from all parties for your energetic and highly engaged approach to this very sensitive and important legislation.

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Google provided this statement to Music Ally following the vote. “People want access to quality news and creative content online,” said a spokesperson. “We’ve always said that more innovation and collaboration are the best way to achieve a sustainable future for the European news and creative sectors, and we’re committed to continued close partnership with these industries.”

[Also passed today was Article 11, which focuses more on the news side of things.)

MEP Julia Reda, who had been one of the prominent critics of the proposals, summarised the fears in a tweet posted after the vote was carried.


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Julia Reda

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Article 13 vote: The European Parliament endorses #uploadfilters for all but the smallest sites and apps. Anything you want to publish will need to first be approved by these filters, perfectly legal content like parodies & memes will be caught in the crosshairs #SaveYourInternet

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We’ll be covering reactions to the news in the coming hours here, so check back on this story regularly for updates.

https://musically.com/2018/09/12/article-13-approved-by-european-parliament-by-438-votes-to-226/

EU approves controversial internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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Key provisions were amended to reduce potential harm, but critics say vote is ‘catastrophic’
By James Vincent@jjvincent Sep 12, 2018, 7:12am EDTSHARE

The European Parliament has voted on changes to the Copyright Directive, a piece of legislation intended to update copyright for the internet age. In a session this morning, MEPs approved amended versions of the directive’s most controversial provisions: Articles 11 and 13, dubbed by critics as the “link tax” and “upload filter.”

Article 11 is intended to give publishers and newspapers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories, while Article 13 requires platforms like YouTube and Facebook to scan uploaded content to stop the unlicensed sharing of copyrighted material. Critics say these two provisions pose a dire threat to the free flow of information online, and will be open to abuse by copyright trolls and censors.

READ MORE: EU COPYRIGHT DIRECTIVE: WHAT’S AT STAKE
Defenders of the Copyright Directive and its controversial clauses say this is an unfair characterization. They point to existing laws and newly-introduced amendments that will block the worst excesses of this legislation (like, for example, a law that excuses parodies and memes from copyright claims). They say that the campaign against the directive has been funded by US tech giants eager to retain their control over the web’s platforms.

In remarks following the vote in Parliament this morning, MEP Axel Voss, who has led the charge on introducing Articles 11 and 13 thanked his fellow politicians “for the job we have done together.” “This is a good sign for the creative industries in Europe,” said Voss.

Opposing MEPs like Julia Reda of the Pirate Party described the outcome as “catastrophic.”

It’s important to note that this is far from the end of the story for the Copyright Directive and its impact on the web. The legislation approved today still faces a final vote in the European Parliament in January (where it’s possible, though very unlikely, it will be rejected). After that, individual EU member states will still get to choose how to put the directive in law. In other words, each country will be able to interpret the directive as they see fit.

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https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved

 

[Jaimas]

For those worried about Silicon Valley and their potential of being complicit in this faggotry, well, take heart, because I have a theory to share, and that is that a reasonable argument can be made that Silicon Valley will, inevitably, collapse on its own in the next few years.

If you take a look at threads like the Damore lawsuit's, or perhaps this one centering on Liz Fong-Jones, or perhaps Nina Chaubal, you'll notice a weird pattern going on: Increasingly, Silicon Valley is hiring people for minority status as opposed to actual talent or skill. The Damore Lawsuit specifically establishes that Google itself has hiring practices that specifically focus on POC/Trannies/Women as opposed to white and Asian men. What this means is that these companies (of which Google is easily the biggest) are increasingly eschewing people with actual talent in favor of hiring diversity operatives who increasingly cannot fucking tech.

The result of this has been these companies increasingly passing off their unmaintainable codebases on an increasingly small number of white and Asian programmers and coders. Programmers and Coders, as we have already seen, that these companies are increasingly hostile towards and are increasingly growing embittered with the entire shebang. With these people having to now shoulder the workload for the legless yellow dragonkin that perform no actual functions within the company, you'd best fucking believe that they're going to have some fucking frustrations to vent. And when you have the current batch of Google employees bragging about smoking weed on Twitter, its hard not to see why.

What this implies is that Silicon Valley is going to become increasingly unable to maintain its own codebases, as it continues to basically try to turn itself into the internet version of the EU and import every minority on the planet into the company. We've already seen some of this, as new systems or the like they've been testing have bugs or stability issues. All the staff they keep supplanting for the unthinkable crimes of being male and white/Asian are going to, in turn, be increasingly likely to use what they know against the system that initially fucked them. It's not just employees that are likely to do this, either - as the situation grows untenable and they become aware of it, so too will customers. This shit is bad business and in the end, unsustainable.

In many ways, I expect what happened to be analogous to what happened with the programming communities online.

Spoiler: Github For Instance

If you're not familiar, github and numerous other communities were infiltrated en masse by the usual ideologues about 5 years ago and forced to adopt a new Code of Conduct which essentially serves to enforce ideological purity and nothing else. It quite literally establishes racism and sexism to be condemnation-worthy trespasses while denying that white people, Asians, and men can be discriminated against (and mandating that any claims of "reverse racism" are not to be entertained):

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

• ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
• Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
• Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
• Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
• Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

The Code of Conduct is so fucking bad that they took it down recently (don't worry though; we archived it). The result of all this has been actual coders fucking off to greener pastures and becoming aggressive in opposing this shit. Why, it's almost like pissing off the nerds who just wanted to be left alone to do their coding shit and forcing them into a culture war is a terrible fucking idea.

 

[CrunkLord420]

 

[The Fool]

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Chris, it's an actual implementation of Morlocks and Eloi.
Fucking with programmers is a bad fucking idea. The whole reason people even get into programming is because they're sick of shitty software and want to start man-handling it themselves. They do not want to be controlled.
I know Google is too big of a tyrant to fall, but gosh would I love to see them die due to this dumb shit.

 

[Joe_Camel]

This reminds me of the time Croatia tried to pull a smoking ban in 2008 and every cafe, locale and restaurant got fucked because a Croat and their coffee cig don't easily part, so the ban had to be softened so you had every inside deserted and the outside terraces packed, until the ban was outright ignored. Let's see how well this flies in EU countries with ineffectual and broken governments (hint: it's not gonna).

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Roll call votes?

We have a hitlist boyos...

Terrorism for the win!

 

[Autopsy]

The most consistent group against this vote was the party heralded by Nigel Farange.

Never trust a fucking Green.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

And not just EU citizens, either. Don't think this'll stop at the EU.

I'd like to see them actually try to enforce it on Americans with any grain of success. If they did, it'd be a full on "FUCK YOU" rebellion.

 

[Dreamland]

Does nearly every damn nation in the EU have to approve of these measures though, and then hash out whatever they will actually say is kosher? For the most part it seems like only France, the UK and Spain, and the EPP as a whole (aside from a few members) want to implement this.

Unfortunately for the other EuroPEONs those countries are all that matter if you consider their share in votes and funding, it's almost as if giving away your constitution to a hivemind staffed by WW1 superpowers might be bad for what little autonomy and sovereignty you have.

 

[Shokew]

I'd like to see them actually try to enforce it on Americans with any grain of success. If they did, it'd be a full on "FUCK YOU" rebellion.

True. But how vigilant is America right now on this, besides laughing at the EU for this doomed-to-fail nonsense? How vigilant is the average, ill-to-non-informed citizen here about this?? That's what you gotta always keep in mind.

Unless they are paying attention AND laughing at this, but are also aware that something this awful could happen in the US if we don't make our gov't fear the consequences of doing something so stupid... I want to have faith (And fuck yeah, I do have it.), but it's just so hard, sometimes. Too bad that's life, m8.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

By the way, wouldn't having an upload filter be a massive drain on server processing? Sounds like it'd end up becoming expensive just to run it.

 

[mrdk_04]

I live 2 hours from Brussels lads, any suggestions?

According to the Americans in this thread, I have been gelded and my brain has been placed in a vat of soy until further notice :dumb:.

 

[not william stenchever]

I live 2 hours from Brussels lads, any suggestions?

Do you have a time machine and a plan to stop the formation of the EU, Red Alert style? Serious question, it's way too late to do anything now.

If not, I will relate some healthy advice from Rust Chole from True Detective

"If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself"

At least deny them the opportunity to suck you dry till you finally bite the dust. Little victories and all that.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I can attest that I know several anti trump types that want the government to regulate "Fake News". I guess they haven't considered that trump is currently in power, and that maybe he wouldn't use that to attack news stories that are good for him.

So lots of people in the US do want big government looking out and making sure nobody puts disagreeable material up on the internet. Because obviously they're the best arbiters of what's real news and what's fake news (Some "fake news" would include FBI spying on senators, Trump tower being wiretapped, etc.)

I mean, I guess part of me would like to see that blow up in these idiot's faces, so they get what they deserve, but I gotta live here too. So I have to help protect these morons from themselves.

Trump 2020: We'll drag them kicking and screaming into a better future if we have to.

 

[mrdk_04]

Do you have a time machine and a plan to stop the formation of the EU, Red Alert style? Serious question, it's way too late to do anything now.

If not, I will relate some healthy advice from Rust Chole from True Detective

"If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself"

At least deny them the opportunity to suck you dry till you finally bite the dust. Little victories and all that.

There's still hope for me, y'know. I live in a ghetto (not nearly as bad as it sounds) and know quite a bit about the local cultures. Moroccans have always liked my no-nonsense approach.
Mayhaps I can still curry favor with the local Jews, I lost part of my peener long ago anyway.

 

[Ahffline]

Canada still has Alberta, which is essentially like having one foot in the real world. I'm not sure Europe has the equivalent. Bavaria, maybe? I've seen BBC articles about the horriffic racism of rural Germany, and if they offend the BBC, they can't be all bad.

Don't forget the East Coast. We still hunt seals despite decades of BS misinformation and whinging by Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, etc.

There are pockets of sense here, but that's dwarfed by the clusterfuck that is BC.

 

[Dreamland]

Mayhaps I can still curry favor with the local Jews, I lost part of my peener long ago anyway.

Having the mark of the slave doesn't help you get favors from the tribe, they just took what they needed from you to make their wrinkle cream.

For those worried about Silicon Valley and their potential of being complicit in this faggotry, well, take heart, because I have a theory to share, and that is that a reasonable argument can be made that Silicon Valley will, inevitably, collapse on its own in the next few years.

Pretty interesting piece, do you think it will stay within the US (and move to Austin) or maybe abroad to Shenzhen?

 

[AnOminous]

Maybe some people here remember that I was worried what kind of legal framework this puts in place in my earlier posts. It did not even take a day. The EU-Comission demands now that "terrorist content" will be removed from social media inside of an hour after reporting. That's plain impossible. They're probably jonesing for direct access to remove content they don't like themselves.

What they're planning is to collect instances of companies failing to do the utterly impossible and just slap huge fines on them to steal their money. It's basically back door taxation fed by the greed of the bureaucratic cancer that is the EU.

 

[Rio]

https://saveyourinternet.eu/

Full listing of votes per country are out on here now, in case you wanna see who you don't want representing your country anymore.

 

[HazamA]

The EU is going anal with big US tech companies this time Haha! *Grabs Popcorn*

 

[Ravenor]

Internets dead. too free and powerful for ruling govts to let go unchecked. Not long now before the cyber dystopia is real and you hit a patch of black ICE and GloBo-homo Corp. fries your brain in meatspace for thought crimes.

I have been saying this for a while now, the internet was once the wild west that you had to activly seek out it was the Ham Radio of the 90's, during the .com era it was mostly just shopping and emails then after the bubble it was kinda cool for a while people who wanted to use it socially did but it wasn't all consuming for most like it is now. And then something changed around 2007 it wasn't just a place for shopping and email it reached a crittical mass where it whent from a thing for the kids and geeks with occasional shopping forays into something that a potential President used leading to a age where young 1st time voters kinda saw something in him because he was a enthusiastic user of Tech.

Then over the last decade something odd has happened and a lot of older people who tend to be the group that don't really understand tech or online culture who tend to be the ones who are in the leardership capacity, the see groups forming that they don't like or understand and react in the way they are used to doing slap some legislation on it and it will be a understandable quantifiable entity to them.

The thing is this isn't going to change as VERY few people who are in there 30's who would consider politics a viable job for anything other than a sense of duity or personal morroal code are the kinda people you don't want in power as despite being heavy users of tech they don't understand it nor there own culture.

Imagine I am big company doing shady shit. Exposes comes out....I slap it with copyright claim. They might win, but I drag it out and material is pulled while court battle fights. I can just do this over and over. They use a statement from my PR department...copyright claim. They use my logo....copyright claim...they interview an employee....fuck it copyright claim.

It has been done before and it will be done again even without this, 10 years ago there was a story about a guy who wasn't even technical he worked out a companies PR blogs URLs so he could read anything they had sceduled to be posted at certain dates and used it to not only short sell stock (he was some kind of invester) but he was also a bit of a activist investor and this company was rumoured to be upto shady shit - He advocated everyone to short sell and published screen caps. They tried suing him without knowing his name and the company folded but there was a zombie company let to fufull any legal obligations it had including this court case and after a few years someone in the company worked out who the guy was (or thought he was) and he got landed with all kinds of legal crap mostly based around copywrite breach.

I think the case is still active but the name escapes me right now but if I can recall it I will post it.

If google, facebook, et al pull their content from the EU in response, europe will buckle within days on that rule. These companies are richer and more powerful then many countries, and Brussels hasnt figured that out yet.

Oh no they have that is why they are doing this, the EU is mostly staffed by older gnerations that really don't understand the world today and how the world works now but they view the internet as the 6th estate and that's something they are not really geared up to understand it's a country they can't point at on a map yet has a active cultural embasy on there desk or in there pocket.

In fact, if I had a US based company, I'd pay for free VPN service for my European customers, just to give the EU the finger.

I am honestly not shocked by a few of my old Tech staff talking about this in earnist, I had a few who where UK passport holders from Territories that are subject to some forms of UK law but not all and EU laws are eyeing the Internet as a nice economy to get into for quiet economy boost's that are not Banking or Gambling - Oddly I may drop you a PM about this.

That's plain impossible. They're probably jonesing for direct access to remove content they don't like themselves.

No it's always been possible but it's never been worth there while to do so before - there used to be a \. meme "The internet routes around censorship" and it did for a while but once the internet became a thing that may be worthwhile watching Subsidies where offerd to companies like BTWW, an Lynk etc to install major pipes and a lot of companies did that but for those concessions they had to allow direct access to the raw internet for lack of a better term to agencies like MI5, MI6 an GCHQ.

As I said above something odd happened in 2007, Broadband suddenly became supper affordable for everyone, at that time the governments of the EU and most of the western world where all big talking the Digital economy, 12 months before that there was a BIG boom in telecoms enginners who could wrangle fiber, and a year or so before that there was a marked uptick in Communications Specialists recruiting for intelligence agencies.

I know that sounds Alex Jones "Turining the Frogs Gay" level of tinfoil hat, but it's honestly what happened.

The result of this has been these companies increasingly passing off their unmaintainable codebases on an increasingly small number of white and Asian programmers and coders. Programmers and Coders, as we have already seen, that these companies are increasingly hostile towards and are increasingly growing embittered with the entire shebang. With these people having to now shoulder the workload for the legless yellow dragonkin that perform no actual functions within the company, you'd best fucking believe that they're going to have some fucking frustrations to vent. And when you have the current batch of Google employees bragging about smoking weed on Twitter, its hard not to see why.

What this implies is that Silicon Valley is going to become increasingly unable to maintain its own codebases, as it continues to basically try to turn itself into the internet version of the EU and import every minority on the planet into the company. We've already seen some of this, as new systems or the like they've been testing have bugs or stability issues. All the staff they keep supplanting for the unthinkable crimes of being male and white/Asian are going to, in turn, be increasingly likely to use what they know against the system that initially fucked them. It's not just employees that are likely to do this, either - as the situation grows untenable and they become aware of it, so too will customers. This shit is bad business and in the end, unsustainable.

In many ways, I expect what happened to be analogous to what happened with the programming communities online.

This is exactly what is happening, but I would like to add most "Serious Software Enginners" oddly dislike the Google, Facebook etc environment, not all but most. For example most major financial transactional systems work on DEC systems that are highly evolved to be perfect for what they do - it's when they are outsourced systems get wobbly and the old guys they made redundant or golden handshaked are now back as part time consultants at 3x there old salary.

In the big push for simple usability they dummed down a UI so much so a fucking monkey can use a touch screen, and do so with results it wants.

In doing this they lost a lot of technical skill because while you may want a super powerful system you need to trade that off with the Average idiot. And a lot of the more skilled technical guy's don't think like that. I used to do work for a plant that made Landrovers but was a Ford Plant and still used localised Ford IT systems one that is standard called VMS, it's a hightly enginnered DEC system that runs everything in the plant, even in 2006 people my age had cheet sheets for commands taped to there screens:

OP/SCT;11:TML90=LCLPSCK, MVPLC1191

That's a command that moves a slead from Stuff UP (Body meets basic drive systems) from the current station i.e. stuff up to the next location wich is 1st Fit. Now this command wasn't used often but it was needed maybe twice a shift, because the systems occasionally got taxed with Variable alts and error out (ERR=09844g5 for the Ford Techies) they normaly used "SLD=*MVENXT" they even had barcodes printed to blip them.

This sounds odd, but Considering this plant started off with a IBM360B and was the Eurpean Flashship plant, that always had the latest and greatest tech an science in it that the programmers where paid £60k a year in 1975 that made the "IT Guy's" walk around in lab coats till 1978 . It says something that they can't develop a simple UI even today even if it's a simple stab finger = pass command to terminal. But the guys who can work like them and the guys who can understand what they thought like an how they worked with a bit of modern skill can earn bank.

Especially if they know old languages, can work with Robotics.

Google etc has never left it's startup mentality, and that is why I and most places really have a distrust of them it's not that we are willing to work with new tech or upstarts often quite the opisit, what we like is serious mentality, I mean we don't like companies that actively hide shit from view. I am not talking about PR stuff here I mean the kind of company that hides the fact that places people exist in get dirty, stop trying to be perfect and be the inovator or disrupter, I guess what I am saying is stop hiding your humanity.

I am not saying show me your shitty bog, what I am saying is be honest with what you do - I mean in June I was at a Sales pitch for a company I know well noit because I am a investor in a normal user of there products but I was shopping around for some material they made and somehow I ended up on the VIP list, this company has a manufacturing facility next to one of my warehouses, so I was wined (to a unhealthy extent) and dined by the sales staff who ensured me that this was just Average for the company as "Qualify comes first". while some strategically placed staff where allowed in to the dining room to provide a vaneer of reality.

What happened next is IRL trolling, but it resulted in this company stop hiding the mess, and the thing is they didn't have much to hide if anything really. Hell at a lot of levels being too clean is a dead givaeaway your not on the up and up. I am not talking about Clean Facilityies here I am talking about places where you get the impression your the first person to sully that uranal with a piss.

This is the problem with modern tech giants they have baught into there own shit, and can't admit that they have naughty parts. Or people that can understand them and work with them.