Article 50 Salt. - Triggering in more way's than one.

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Dual Rectifier said:
I was under the impression Brexit was already a thing. Was the salt from before just from the proposition, but now it's signed?
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The salt last time was from the referendum vote, but leaving the EU isn't as easy as just going "we're off now toodle-oo" - our government was totally surprised by a vote to leave so we had a bunch of Political Musical Chairs and then a few months of the new MP's figuring out next steps (also a lawsuit brought forward to stipulate that Parliament has to get a vote to agree on our final leaving terms)

Alas we have 2 years of the terms of leaving negotiations so we're not out for another 18 months. So there will likely still be salt for months to come.
 
Why didn't these faggots just leave before the stuff was finalized? The vote was 9 months ago ffs. The UK was still in the EU for nearly a fucking year. They had plenty of time. If it meant that damn much to them.

Why are they acting like they'll never get to ever go to any of the countries in the EU again? You just have to have a passport/paper work to do so now, no? Americans vacation and even retire to European countries all the time...
 
Beaniebon said:
Why didn't these faggots just leave before the stuff was finalized? The vote was 9 months ago ffs. The UK was still in the EU for nearly a fucking year. They had plenty of time. If it meant that damn much to them.

Why are they acting like they'll never get to ever go to any of the countries in the EU again? You just have to have a passport/paper work to do so now, no? Americans vacation and even retire to European countries all the time...
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You want the answer?

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Dual Rectifier said:
I was under the impression Brexit was already a thing. Was the salt from before just from the proposition, but now it's signed?
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One of the reasons for much of the salt this month is because the remain side has been in denial and thought they had an ace up their sleeves and were pushing in the House of Lords for a final vote after brexit negotiations which would allow for an option in parliment to reject the final brexit deal and rejoin the EU but since the lords are in a weak position they eventually were forced to back down (One of the reasons given to why it was a bad idea was because if the EU was inclined they could offer Britian a terrible deal in hopes they just rejoin) and now instead parliment has the option of leaving the EU with a deal or leaving the EU with no deal and falling back on world trade rules (Which is seen as such a bad option they'll pretty much agree to any deal).
 
Sable said:
I like how they're basically saying we should ignore democracy because it's not a result they like. I mean, we were lied to, but it's not like you can do anything about it by whining.

Or should we do like Ireland did which was hold referendums until it was the 'right' result?
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They're doing that because a large percentage of "Leave" voters were either old people (Who won't have to live with the consequenses), jokers who didn't expect the vote to actually pass, or people who did so because of the £350 million to the NHS lie.
 
crownthefempire said:
They're doing that because a large percentage of "Leave" voters were either old people (Who won't have to live with the consequenses), jokers who didn't expect the vote to actually pass, or people who did so because of the £350 million to the NHS lie.
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That's why there are professional legislatures and you don't gamble the outcome of complex, technical issues on the coin toss of a plebiscite. Having done so, though, you're stuck with the results. Holding a referendum and then ignoring the results is autocracy.
 
crownthefempire said:
They're doing that because a large percentage of "Leave" voters were either old people (Who won't have to live with the consequenses), jokers who didn't expect the vote to actually pass, or people who did so because of the £350 million to the NHS lie.
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I know a whole bunch of people who voted leave - and it had nothing to do with that £350 nonsense they slapped on the side of the bus. It was quite widely derided as a terrible move during the campaign, as it rightly should of been.

There was no stable plan for Brexit and I think that was a fairly open secret. Part of the reason Cameron came back with a crummy deal from the EU pre-referendum was because he and the rest of Westminster were fairly convinced of a Remain win. Which was rather helped by most media platforms cranking the hysteria meter to 11 and then pollisters convincing everyone it would be fine and dandy (you know, like that other case recently in America)

It is worth noting that Remain was little better off, as there was no "plan ahead". Ironically they had an open goal seeing as the PM was on their side, but because the EU felt ballsy enough to not sweeten the deal nor did anyone seem to have foresight to plan ahead, it was a case of defeat snatched from jaws of victory.

A lot of people who did vote Leave actually probably trust the UK parties far as they can throw them. In their eyes the vast majority of government is in the EU's pocket - the likes of Boris and Gove were just useful for their personal desire to knock Cameron off his perch (before quite hilariously knocking each other out of the leadership race). I know that sounds weird considering this gives power back to MP's - but people feel the EU is part of the issue as lazy/easy to sway politicians have just been devolving their powers so there is less work (and more money in their coffers). Which might be great for them and some certain areas like London & Cambridge, but not so good for areas that the EU could give no less of a toss about.
 
"It is just a trade union" is a way to sell the EU to nations. Than they butter up your goverment with money and they stay for good, bringing crime and migrants.

Well done UK, now just boot that mayor out of London.
 
RisingPheonix said:
I know a whole bunch of people who voted leave - and it had nothing to do with that £350 nonsense they slapped on the side of the bus. It was quite widely derided as a terrible move during the campaign, as it rightly should of been.

There was no stable plan for Brexit and I think that was a fairly open secret. Part of the reason Cameron came back with a crummy deal from the EU pre-referendum was because he and the rest of Westminster were fairly convinced of a Remain win. Which was rather helped by most media platforms cranking the hysteria meter to 11 and then pollisters convincing everyone it would be fine and dandy (you know, like that other case recently in America)

It is worth noting that Remain was little better off, as there was no "plan ahead". Ironically they had an open goal seeing as the PM was on their side, but because the EU felt ballsy enough to not sweeten the deal nor did anyone seem to have foresight to plan ahead, it was a case of defeat snatched from jaws of victory.

A lot of people who did vote Leave actually probably trust the UK parties far as they can throw them. In their eyes the vast majority of government is in the EU's pocket - the likes of Boris and Gove were just useful for their personal desire to knock Cameron off his perch (before quite hilariously knocking each other out of the leadership race). I know that sounds weird considering this gives power back to MP's - but people feel the EU is part of the issue as lazy/easy to sway politicians have just been devolving their powers so there is less work (and more money in their coffers). Which might be great for them and some certain areas like London & Cambridge, but not so good for areas that the EU could give no less of a toss about.
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It's pretty clear that noone on the Leave campaign had any stable plan except
1) Leave EU
2) ?????
3) Sand people leave maybe?

Which is why I was telling people that Remain was better. They didn't pre-plan an actual plan to replace the one they advertised because even they didn't expect to win. All we've done is fuck trade deals and made our citizens lose right to free travel throughout the EU. Noone is leaving because of this, and financially we are no better off.
 
Infidel said:
This one's either a troll or incredibly stupid. Overwatch takes place 60+ years into the future and Tracer is in her mid 20s. Unless they have another Brexit vote in 2070 or something- then again you bet these dumbasses care a little too much about fictional characters' political agendas.
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It's just stupidity, cause the other day I found two or three tumblrinas (the infamous Musical Hell was one of them) getting in a hard discourse about Junkrat voting for Trump. Never mind that:

1) Overwatch takes place 60+ years into the future
2) Junkrat's not even American to vote for Trump
3) Putting fictional characters relating to real politics is pure autism.

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"The British in Spain are foreign"? Are they treating the Spanish as a "brown people country"?
 
Male Idiot said:
"It is just a trade union" is a way to sell the EU to nations. Than they butter up your goverment with money and they stay for good, bringing crime and migrants.

Well done UK, now just boot that mayor out of London.
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As someone who lived in London for over thirty years, I have to ask why you dislike Sadiq Kahn so much? He's pretty inoffensive.
 
I do not dislike him, but I do not think pro-muslim stance is good for the UK. If he was the mayor of Dubai I would not say word.
 
crownthefempire said:
It's pretty clear that noone on the Leave campaign had any stable plan except
1) Leave EU
2) ?????
3) Sand people leave maybe?

Which is why I was telling people that Remain was better. They didn't pre-plan an actual plan to replace the one they advertised because even they didn't expect to win. All we've done is fuck trade deals and made our citizens lose right to free travel throughout the EU. Noone is leaving because of this, and financially we are no better off.
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Y'know, I could write a really long, salty autistic post about how wrong you are, but I will point out that this was not an election and nobody was running for a government manifesto. Which means neither side had to have a full blown roadmap ready to go. Indeed, the government abandoned its responsibility on Cameron's orders because they thought they'd walk the Remain vote.

This was a referendum about a binary choice, not about choosing the government.

Leave actually relied a lot on optimism and the offer of change that we could control after a long period of time in which we'd seen and felt the impact more acutely and with more discontent because the MPs and governments didn't appear to be listening. This covered more jobs, less red tape and more opportunities in the wider world than the EU was and is currently able to offer.

If you'd bothered to read more than just the Guardian or FT or even better gone off and read both sides as a lot of people actually did before they made their choice then you'd be less insulting towards others just because you lost.

I also find you insulting the elderly as pathetically childish as many others do and did, indeed the ferocious attacks and moaning about "the elderly" and "coffin dodgers" from butthurt remainers in the aftermath of the vote was just utterly dissapointing.

Because it seems that it didn't occur to them at any point that they were people who'd lived with the EU the longest, and thus had the most experience with it to be able to say "actually, this doesn't seem right for us."

or to TL:biggrin:R it all. I'll respect those who made their choices in an informed way and will thus respect the vote come what may.

You behave like this moron though.
 
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Every day that Clarkson isn't the Prime Minister of the UK is a wasted day
 
crownthefempire said:
It's pretty clear that noone on the Leave campaign had any stable plan...(zip)
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You didn't even bother reading my post because I pretty much said this - nobody on Leave or Remain teams had a plan, because far as the establishment was concerned, the Remain vote was signed-sealed and delivered. Which was stupid and only goes to show how much MP's had stopped paying attention to national mood beyond London.

A month pre referendum Cameron literally went to the EU to try and get something he could wave about as a positive for Remaining. Because the EU thought they had it in the bag, they didn't even try to compromise. Why bother when the members country own government is going "oh yeah don't worry we got this fam".

It's not like everything is great and wonderful inside the Union as well. France, Germany and Sweden all have learned how *wonderful* free movement is over the past few years, Italy teeters on an economic edge, and Greece continues to be a mess that the Union is constantly trying to throw money at.

That and worrying about travel to Europe is nonsense, people traveled to other parts of Europe before the EU was a thing, and that will continue after. Worst case senario is you have to pay a bit extra for your visa clearance like we already do for travel to USA
 
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