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The UK will only lose from this, and whoever believed a clown like Farage is a moron. If the referendum was done when -joining- the EU it would have been much less of a disaster. It was a wise decision from the UK to not introduce euros (which kinda fucked with us south countries) or it would have been even worse, but many EU laws helped and do help, but good things do not make news, and many europeans thing the EU only pretends and never gives.

Also this is a VERY different story from Trump's victory and the only comparision you can make is the irony that in UK won number (brexit won cause of londiners) while in US won state equality (most americans vote hillary but smaller central states votes are given more importance otherwise big cities would always decide)

The problems with the EU is the insane difference of cultures and politics radicated in 1000+ years(aka why it can't work like the USA) and the fact we didn't have an organized military from the start. The EU's pacifism ideals prevented internal wars, yes, but a military for self-defense and spionage is needed.

As for immigration, it's a very hard story with very big numbers. We all gained from impoverishment of those countries and now have to deal with the concequences somehow. I believe the best solution is selection, and kicking out those who do crimes, but it's insanely expensive
 
Somsnosa said:
The UK will only lose from this, and whoever believed a clown like Farage is a moron.
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How could anything Farage says or does be any more moronic than this?

EU ULTIMATUM: Brussels tells Poland & Hungary to 'accept more migrants or LEAVE the bloc'

I'm guessing the Czech Republic and Slovakia are gonna get similar warnings at some point as well. Even if the EU "wins" here, I don't see how this should be viewed as anything but bullying from Germany.

FWIW, my personal view is that the EU is a good idea that has somehow gone horribly wrong. The fact that Germany and Sweden (and to a lesser extent France and maybe Spain) seem to be doing their best to commit national suicide makes Brexit the best move among several bad ones.
 
that is a bunch of bullshit to be said by east countries when they joined EU to be helped after leaving the USSR, and countries like France, Germany and Italy were filled with slavs in the 90s. They worked here, imported money to their country, and moved back when it got better. Now it's their time to help.
If other european countries didn't take a quota of immigrants, spain greece and italy would be suffocated with them, because they face the sea and can't put borders.
 
Somsnosa said:
The UK will only lose from this, and whoever believed a clown like Farage is a moron. If the referendum was done when -joining- the EU it would have been much less of a disaster. It was a wise decision from the UK to not introduce euros (which kinda fucked with us south countries) or it would have been even worse, but many EU laws helped and do help, but good things do not make news, and many europeans thing the EU only pretends and never gives.

Also this is a VERY different story from Trump's victory and the only comparision you can make is the irony that in UK won number (brexit won cause of londiners) while in US won state equality (most americans vote hillary but smaller central states votes are given more importance otherwise big cities would always decide)

The problems with the EU is the insane difference of cultures and politics radicated in 1000+ years(aka why it can't work like the USA) and the fact we didn't have an organized military from the start. The EU's pacifism ideals prevented internal wars, yes, but a military for self-defense and spionage is needed.

As for immigration, it's a very hard story with very big numbers. We all gained from impoverishment of those countries and now have to deal with the concequences somehow. I believe the best solution is selection, and kicking out those who do crimes, but it's insanely expensive
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Dude, the thread is for posting people's salt over Article 50, not contributing your own.

And really, even though the idea of a more federated Europe appeals to my American sensibilities, the EU is doomed so long as the leadership is unaccountable to the citizens of Europe instead of their governments. The current setup is like if the American Senate was still appointed by the States and they were the ones who got to choose the President.
 
DangerousGas said:
Um, isn't that kind of what just happened?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. We've directly elected our senators for over 100 years and the president has literally always been a publicly elected position, we've just gradually expanded what constitutes the voting public over time, to the point of universal suffrage.

Our legislature only gets to weigh in on the presidential election when there's an electoral college tie or no obvious winner. The last time that happened was Rutherford B. Hayes in 1877.
 
Absolutego said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. We've directly elected our senators for over 100 years and the president has literally always been a publicly elected position, we've just gradually expanded what constitutes the voting public over time, to the point of universal suffrage.

Our legislature only gets to weigh in on the presidential election when there's an electoral college tie or no obvious winner. The last time that happened was Rutherford B. Hayes in 1877.
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Goes to show how much attention I pay to the American electoral system, then.
 
Another reason to BOYCOTT STARCUCKS as Ghostler would say

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Also there was this recent tweet
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Somsnosa said:
Also this is a VERY different story from Trump's victory and the only comparision you can make is the irony that in UK won number (brexit won cause of londiners) while in US won state equality (most americans vote hillary but smaller central states votes are given more importance otherwise big cities would always decide)

The problems with the EU is the insane difference of cultures and politics radicated in 1000+ years(aka why it can't work like the USA) and the fact we didn't have an organized military from the start. The EU's pacifism ideals prevented internal wars, yes, but a military for self-defense and spionage is needed.
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Hahaha, no dude, no. As someone with some NATO experience, I can tell you the Germans, French and Italians have mostly worthless militaries, not in training or technology, but in logistical output. The UK and Polan are the only two who have even bothered to try and solve their problem, and they've both admitted the only true solution in the event of actual war is pay the Americans to do it. Just look at Libya, it was essentially an EU military try out and they ran out of bombs and missiles in less than 72 hours, fighting a collapsed government. Imagine if they tried that with Russia, Turkey or Egypt, they'd have been eviscerated in less than a day.

The reality is the EU is AT THE VERY FUCKING BEST a "Fuck you dad, I can get my own apartment" from America's bratty kid who's had a trust fund since 1941. NATO is as good as Europe will probably ever be able to get, because at the end of the day, you guys HATE one another and the only thing that has a prayer of forcing cooperation is the English speaking world putting their weight behind the backstop.

The sad reality is the UK, France and Eastern states with economies that actually produce are better off without the EU for the same reason an upper middle class working man is better off without his wife who runs up the credit card bills on Scentsy, Avon and Essential Oils Pyramid schemes. Sure, it sucks in the short term and a few years of alimony is always a pain, but it won't last forever and thankfully they never had kids (a joint military in this analogy) so they won't have to pay child support on that worthless paint-chip eating child.

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that is a bunch of bullshit to be said by east countries when they joined EU to be helped after leaving the USSR, and countries like France, Germany and Italy were filled with slavs in the 90s. They worked here, imported money to their country, and moved back when it got better. Now it's their time to help.
If other european countries didn't take a quota of immigrants, spain greece and italy would be suffocated with them, because they face the sea and can't put borders.
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That's right, I remember when slavs were just running people over, shooting up comedy magazines and openly touting they planned to outbreed the indigenous populace and replace their laws and culture with backwards shit from the dark ages. How could I have forgotten
 
TiggerNits said:
That's right, I remember when slavs were just running people over, shooting up comedy magazines and openly touting they planned to outbreed the indigenous populace and replace their laws and culture with backwards shit from the dark ages. How could I have forgotten
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Slavs are too busy developing their squat muscles to do much of anything else. We should get Muslims a nice, non-violent hobby.
 
Damn this thread is only three pages long and it's full of triggering already.
 
I always laugh when "remoaners" here in the UK sit and repeat the propaganda fed to them by the pro-EU-driven media.
"You brexit-voters are just fascist! Not like our lovely multicultural, non-elected, unnaccountable EU fascists!"
 
Curt Sibling said:
I always laugh when "remoaners" here in the UK sit and repeat the propaganda fed to them by the pro-EU-driven media.
"You brexit-voters are just fascist! Not like our lovely multicultural, non-elected, unnaccountable EU fascists!"
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I ain't saying that, but I'm thinking that out of the people who voted Brexit, there's enough people who regret it to swing the vote back if there was another referendum.

I mean, there's people who were mislead with the £350 million lie, people who thought it was a protest vote and didn't expect it to win, people who now found out it's not going to stop immigration at all, people who realise that the EUhad some important rules keeping things in check for a reason, and also people who see the captain of the ship happily going full steam ahead towards the iceberg.
 
crownthefempire said:
people who thought it was a protest vote and didn't expect it to win
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I keep hearing accusations of this, but I don't understand what the hell it's supposed to mean. Do you even know what a protest vote is?

This wasn't an election, this was a binary choice.
And what the hell would be the point in a "protest vote" (for a binary choice, I must emphasize) especially when remain didn't seem to ever have an overbearing majority? Do you actually think there exists a significant portion of leave-voters who would've prefered to stay in the EU, and were just trying to make a point? :story:

You're being pretty :optimistic: fam.
 
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TylerRVG said:
I keep hearing accusations of this, but I don't understand what the hell it's supposed to mean. Do you even know what a protest vote is?

This wasn't an election, this was a binary choice.
And what the hell would be the point in a "protest vote" (for a binary choice, I must emphasize) especially when remain didn't seem to ever have an overbearing majority? Do you actually think there exists a significant portion of leave-voters who would've prefered to stay in the EU, and were just trying to make a point? :story:

You're being pretty :optimistic: fam.
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Yeah, this is where the American election analogy tends to fall apart, because in the U.S. election, it wasn't just Hillary or Trump, there were a small handful of third party candidates and write-in votes. In America, if you wanted a protest vote of neither candidate because you thought both were pretty shitty, you could do so without directly batting for the other team. In Brexit, it was literally a YES or a NO.

And while I'm not British, I keep hearing "'Leave' had no real plan of what they wanted to do", yet neither did Remain if they ended up losing.
 
crownthefempire said:
I ain't saying that, but I'm thinking that out of the people who voted Brexit, there's enough people who regret it to swing the vote back if there was another referendum.

I mean, there's people who were mislead with the £350 million lie, people who thought it was a protest vote and didn't expect it to win, people who now found out it's not going to stop immigration at all, people who realise that the EUhad some important rules keeping things in check for a reason, and also people who see the captain of the ship happily going full steam ahead towards the iceberg.
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I basically voted "No" because I don't want sausage-sucking Germans telling me what to do. Thanks.
 
Curt Sibling said:
I basically voted "No" because I don't want sausage-sucking Germans telling me what to do. Thanks.
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Glad to know you guys remember there was a war a few years back to stop that manner of thing
 
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