Article 50 Salt. - Triggering in more way's than one.

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TiggerNits said:
the UK would do far better as a few separate states within the US than an EU member and I for one would welcome their addition because the English speaking world needs to get on the same fucking page
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The victorians mooted the possibility of the US and UK combining once more into one country.
I am totally with this idea. As long as you don't mind a ceremonial monarch as an addition to Disneyland.
 
LulzKiller said:
I actually like that though, uses real sugar which is funny for a pepsico drink.
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Depends, in some markets Pepsi runs 2 brands. Out here we have regular Pepsi/Mtn Dew/etc and then "Real" versions of each that use throwback logos and real sugar.
 
See, I voted remain but I'm not salty because leaving the EU isn't going to affect me in the least. I'm a middle class homeowner with a stable job in a growth industry. The irony is, if it all goes terribly wrong it's going to be the people that voted leave who are going to be the worst affected.
 
LazarusOwenhart said:
See, I voted remain but I'm not salty because leaving the EU isn't going to affect me in the least. I'm a middle class homeowner with a stable job in a growth industry. The irony is, if it all goes terribly wrong it's going to be the people that voted leave who are going to be the worst affected.
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When it all goes terribly wrong, the middle class are always the first to be liquidated, so good luck!
 
Banksy be salty. He just unveiled this mural in Kent

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millais said:
Banksy be salty. He just unveiled this mural in Kent

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I hope he doesn't want me to believe he put up a forty square foot mural on a prominent building at night quick enough for nobody to notice and without cooperation from the building owners. The guys a sell out.
 
Sable said:
Makes me wonder how many people voted to get in the EEC or whatever in the 70's voted leave last summer.
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The majority of the 65+ group (who would've been around and old enough to vote in the previous referendum) voted to leave by about 60-70%.

Chris did nothing wrong said:
It's pretty funny that the Lib Dems are taking the hardest anti-Brexit position considering their recent history:
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Guess what was traded away in the opening moves of the Coalition Government negotiations? Oh, that's right. The referendum both parties actually promised. It's why UKIP spiked during the coalition days and why Cameron retained the promise of the referendum in the 2015 election.

D.Va said:
Nah. We'd be so distant that we would basically be another Hawaii. Besides, there's always the commonwealth if we're talking about the Anglosphere.
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Allow me to introduce CANZUK International (Formerly the Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organization) which proposes the free movement of people from the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Effectively creating a workforce and economic bloc that would stand at about 70% of the USA's GDP.

I signed the petition under its old name, but because of continous whining from the twitterati liberal peanut gallery (for being racist by not including free movement from India and South Africa) they've rebranded.

Basically its aim is to create the dream of a more unified anglosphere with the countries which have kept closer cultural ties than, say, the USA (which has a lot of european and mexican influences mixed in).
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
The majority of the 65+ group (who would've been around and old enough to vote in the previous referendum) voted to leave by about 60-70%.



Guess what was traded away in the opening moves of the Coalition Government negotiations? Oh, that's right. The referendum both parties actually promised. It's why UKIP spiked during the coalition days and why Cameron retained the promise of the referendum in the 2015 election.



Allow me to introduce CANZUK International (Formerly the Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organization) which proposes the free movement of people from the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Effectively creating a workforce and economic bloc that would stand at about 70% of the USA's GDP.

I signed the petition under its old name, but because of continous whining from the twitterati liberal peanut gallery (for being racist by not including free movement from India and South Africa) they've rebranded.

Basically its aim is to create the dream of a more unified anglosphere with the countries which have kept closer cultural ties than, say, the USA (which has a lot of european and mexican influences mixed in).
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The funny thing is there's proof something like this or even the EU could work assuming it has a tax free trade union, free travel across borders, a strong military and a single unifying language and it works really, really well

It's called America
 
TiggerNits said:
The funny thing is there's proof something like this or even the EU could work assuming it has a tax free trade union, free travel across borders, a strong military and a single unifying language and it works really, really well

It's called America
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Eh, this implies states in the US have anywhere near the autonomy countries in the EU have, even now. What the EU is is something a bit closer to the Articles of Confederation that it is even to the antebellum USA; never mind the USA post-Civil War. (Can't remember what pompous historian remarked something along the lines that before the Civil War you said the "The United States are..." but that after it you say "The United States is..." but I think it is sums up where the USA is these days pretty well. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments essentially dead letters.)

Having said that, my (possibly naive) personal view is that something like the EU might be a good idea; it is just that the current incarnation run by gnomes in Brussels and seemingly dominated by Germany is objectively pretty bad. But I'm also a bit like those leftie ding-a-lings who screech about socialism having never been tried; I'm not sure what you could do to the Euro to make it so that it worked as currency in Greece or Portugal as well as it seems to in Germany. And that's a relatively straight-forward example.
 
Elwood P. Dowd said:
Eh, this implies states in the US have anywhere near the autonomy countries in the EU have, even now. What the EU is is something a bit closer to the Articles of Confederation that it is even to the antebellum USA; never mind the USA post-Civil War. (Can't remember what pompous historian remarked something along the lines that before the Civil War you said the "The United States are..." but that after it you say "The United States is..." but I think it is sums up where the USA is these days pretty well. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments essentially dead letters.)

Having said that, my (possibly naive) personal view is that something like the EU might be a good idea; it is just that the current incarnation run by gnomes in Brussels and seemingly dominated by Germany is objectively pretty bad. But I'm also a bit like those leftie ding-a-lings who screech about socialism having never been tried; I'm not sure what you could do to the Euro to make it so that it worked as currency in Greece or Portugal as well as it seems to in Germany. And that's a relatively straight-forward example.
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The states have a surprising amount of autonomy on what they do (just travel between Nevada, Utah and Colorado, they're all three massively different), they just have basic guidelines provided by a centralized government that sets a bare minimum and encourages the states to reach higher with financial compensation via federal grants and highway budgets. Some states desperately need those due to horrendously poor self governance for sure (looking at you, California, Washington, New York and Illinois) but others manage to create a lot of money for the federal government by simply using their land, labor and capital effectively to generate value to the union (Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Virginia come to mind).

I'm saying that the EU's biggest issue is all the countries involved are too fundamentally at odds with one another to be functional. The entire English speaking world, separated by the thousands of miles as we are, are more effective as a union through nothing more than handshake agreements than the EU which is all on top of one another and enforced by law.

Cultural hegemony matters a lot more than people think
 
TiggerNits said:
I'm saying that the EU's biggest issue is all the countries involved are too fundamentally at odds with one another to be functional. The entire English speaking world, separated by the thousands of miles as we are, are more effective as a union through nothing more than handshake agreements than the EU which is all on top of one another and enforced by law.

Cultural hegemony matters a lot more than people think
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This. Right here. Basically the EU has the problem of, essentially numerous completely different cultural blocs trying to operate together and it really really doesn't work perfectly.

You have the Romantic States who're rather easy going (Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece.)

You then have the Northern/Germanic states (Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and the Netherlands)

Next is the Bohemians (Czech Rep, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Croatia)

You have the slavs (Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia).

Then finally the Anglospheric Countries (UK, Eire)

Each group basically has different styles, attitudes and behaviours on a national/ethnic level and the cultures are vastly different. Heck, the UK and Ireland operate on entirely different economic cycles because the difference is that acute. As a result the EU has to impose things from the outside and in theory, the Paris Berlin Axis is supposed to keep the EU on the level, instead its tilted far too heavily in Germany's favour due to the advantages it has by adopting the EURO, creative accounting and weight of its wealth.

While the majority are now all nominally democracies, there's a lot of obvious corruption among the Romantics and Bohemians and to a lesser extent the Slavs, which makes over all enforcement of EU laws a joke, this is one of the big gripes by the UK towards the EU as the UK has faithfully enacted and enforced the laws and recommendations... only to see the other groups not fucking bother.

Which is just not cricket.

But yeah, I'm definitely a supporter of CANZUK International and it seems The Aussies are seriously interested in the idea.

Oh, and interestingly all members of the CANZUK proposal rank high in the top 20 of nations to do business in.
 
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