Assuming the Russian SMO thread is right, what is America/NATO's current military readiness? - Members of the hohol cope thread are unwanted as their opinions disregard base assumptions

Judging by the slice I get to see as someone who works for the MIC: We might be in trouble.

We might be able to run rampant with bombings and so forth for a year or two, but then we'll run into a resource crunch and be in the shitter.
Everything seems to point to that. There seems to be little difference between how the MIC is run and how airplanes are made, and that is a shitshow where parts are made all over the place and construction is booked years in advanced and everything is falling apart. When it comes to manufacturing everything is connected. Hell a shop I worked in way up here in Alberta made these reindeer-shaped brackets for airplanes.

If Russian and/or China decide to to a prolonged invasion they can't really be stopped as America won't admit late stage capitalism is failing until the very end.
 
Murica still has the capability to do this^
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Holy shit lol

You do know that the aircraft assembled for Desert Storm were not typical mission capable numbers right?

You do know it took several months of intensive work to go from normal numbers to the deployment strength right?

Do you think any military is on big war footing 24/7/365? You know how much that would cost right? The wear that would put on equipment and materiel stocks and personnel right? Jesus you retards :story:
 
Holy shit lol

You do know that the aircraft assembled for Desert Storm were not typical mission capable numbers right?

You do know it took several months of intensive work to go from normal numbers to the deployment strength right?

Do you think any military is on big war footing 24/7/365? You know how much that would cost right? The wear that would put on equipment and materiel stocks and personnel right? Jesus you retards :story:
You actually think the US dusted off a bunch of old aircraft for desert storm?
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Both those threads live in completely separate realities that are oddly identical.

Ukraine thread: 'Ukraine is obviously going to win, Russia is absolutely bleeding, Russia has proven itself completely incompetent, it is beyond obvious'
Russian thread: 'Russia is obviously going to win, Ukraine is absolutely bleeding, Ukraine has proven itself completely incompetent, it is beyond obvious.'

It's maddening.
 
Ukraine thread: 'Ukraine is obviously going to win, Russia is absolutely bleeding, Russia has proven itself completely incompetent, it is beyond obvious'
That's just not accurate.
I posted there numerous times and I've always had a very bleak view on Ukraine's ability even to maintain the front frozen, and I consider taking back Crimea and Donbas as essentially impossible especially with Amerimutt abandonment. To be fair, for Ukraine to have a SMALL chance at doing that, the US should've have supplied 100 times as many artillery shells, thousands of medium and long range missiles, thousands of AA missiles, anti-radar and more. And Ukraine would've still lacked air power, but at least could've had a chance by flattening everything Russian in the occupied areas.
More importantly, I never underestimated Russia, and warned the other people in the thread to be cautious celebrating the successes, and always remember that Russia is a very large, significant threat.
And nobody can accuse me of supporting Russia in any way.
 
You do know it took several months of intensive work to go from normal numbers to the deployment strength right?
Except that relies on the manufacturing capacity to be there, and the raw materials to be extant. You ever heard of Vanadium before? How about Rhenium, or Molybdenum? Those metals are critical for the production of the alloys used in bombers, fighters, tanks, ships, etc. and yet we don't have a secure production chain for them. Hell, even those metals like Titanium or Zirconium that the USA or allies have production for are still bottlenecked by a lacking domestic production. Did you know that all the Zirconium produced in the USA is bottlenecked by a single foundry? Or that our Titanium relies on the trans-Pacific trade networks that would be most in peril during a hypothetical war with China? This is just a glimpse of the prospective dangers, mind you, the specific problems I'm aware of thanks to my work. The reality would be far worse.

The resource war alone would cripple American manufacturing after a year or two. Given a decade or two we might be able to re-calibrate our economy, and our military, around these problems. But that requires a proactive effort our government simply isn't doing.
 
Except that relies on the manufacturing capacity to be there, and the raw materials to be extant. You ever heard of Vanadium before? How about Rhenium, or Molybdenum? Those metals are critical for the production of the alloys used in bombers, fighters, tanks, ships, etc. and yet we don't have a secure production chain for them. Hell, even those metals like Titanium or Zirconium that the USA or allies have production for are still bottlenecked by a lacking domestic production. Did you know that all the Zirconium produced in the USA is bottlenecked by a single foundry? Or that our Titanium relies on the trans-Pacific trade networks that would be most in peril during a hypothetical war with China? This is just a glimpse of the prospective dangers, mind you, the specific problems I'm aware of thanks to my work. The reality would be far worse.

The resource war alone would cripple American manufacturing after a year or two. Given a decade or two we might be able to re-calibrate our economy, and our military, around these problems. But that requires a proactive effort our government simply isn't doing.
You don't need to tell me the same thing you say every time, I remember what your shtick is

You remind me of a guy I used to know on the cyberzones who was so convinced peak oil was going to end civilization. The situation was already dire and utterly irreparable. Oil was running out, money, technological advances, no one and nonebody could do a thing, he threw a lot of semi-technical terms around, blah blah blah. Fine fellow

All his not-deep lore didn't mean shit. He was wrong. He rested wholly upon the impossibility of proving a negative, like you. You can say all these things about the future. You can scoff at any inconveniences and insist its all temporary. How can you be proven wrong save by the event? Like monthly domestic 155mm shell production. It's ahead of schedule, increasing about 125% in the last 12 months. Goal is about another 100% increase from current levels by the end of this fiscal year, then another 25%. Now please don't waste your time, I remember what you've said about it and I know what you'll say now. You'll name some resources, muh supply chain will make an appearance, you'll be articulate about why it can't possibly work, or be sustained, or whatever, throw up your hands and declare futility

Meanwhile, where there's money and will there's a lawyer. Wait that isn't right. Where there's money and will there are results. While you sound good, money printer and bulldozer and factory go brrr. Many such cases

Lol the resource war alone would cripple Murican manufacturing capacity in a year or two? Do you listen to yourself, ever? How, precisely, would Russia or China cut off the American government paying top dollar to South America, Africa, Europe? How would Russia or China protect them from us leaning on them if they didn't want to sell? The Red Chinese gonna supply two massive fleets in the southeast Pacific and the south Atlantic to deny those resources to us? Russia gonna do it? 8000-12000 miles away from home? How they gonna stop Canada from taking our money to open a bunch of mines and shit. They got lots of stuff they arent exploiting much. How they gonna stop us doing it here inside the USA? We have even more. Good luck. That's why we've got all those bases and frens like Japan and Poland, so we can hit them where they live a lot and they can't hit us much unless they wanna billions must die turn your key sir

The one thing you are right about is that Congress hasn't appropriated enough money. It should be much more. But it will be. But why even mention it when it would be a pointless endeavor according to you anyway?
 
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Where there's money and will there are results. While you sound good, money printer and bulldozer and factory go brrr. Many such cases
Then you should be able to name plenty of examples as to why this works. And you know the artillery shells is bullshit because of surge production/normal production, so try something else. Because just like how I'm making wrong predictions about the future, and have been so for a while, you should be able to point to some statistics that demonstrate why I'm wrong now. Not "we're slated to produce N% of X by 2025," but actual examples of us producing new things. The reason I focus on individual metals is because the statistics are readily available and easy to read, are actively affecting my job at this moment, and they're the basic bedrock of everything else. But I'm willing to bet with basically everything else, they'll fall well and truly short of "projections" because of the chaotic web that is America's industrial logistics network.

Hell, I'm willing to bet that even the 155mm shells, which is the darling of the media ATM, the projected 37K production/month won't be achieved in April or the 60K/month for October.

The one thing you are right about is that Congress hasn't appropriated enough money. It should be much more. But it will be. But why even mention it when it would be a pointless endeavor according to you anyway?
Because as I've always said, it's not impossible for us to do something, it's impossible for us to do it without concerted effort for a long period of time. It took 40 years of industrial decline to get to this point, it will take a similarly lengthy time to get back to where we once were. We can't just magically clap our hands and have a fully functioning supply chain in a year, no matter how much money you throw at the problem. "Factory go brrrr" is a easy statement to make, but a difficult reality to achieve.
 
Goal is about another 100% increase from current levels by the end of this fiscal year, then another 25%.
Why not a 10,000% increase then? Those are merely projections. They could be wholly made up to make financial statements look good or they could be optimistic and ignoring clear shortfalls. It's also possible that Larry gets sick and without him production grinds to a halt
 
That's just not accurate.
I posted there numerous times and I've always had a very bleak view on Ukraine's ability even to maintain the front frozen, and I consider taking back Crimea and Donbas as essentially impossible especially with Amerimutt abandonment. To be fair, for Ukraine to have a SMALL chance at doing that, the US should've have supplied 100 times as many artillery shells, thousands of medium and long range missiles, thousands of AA missiles, anti-radar and more. And Ukraine would've still lacked air power, but at least could've had a chance by flattening everything Russian in the occupied areas.
More importantly, I never underestimated Russia, and warned the other people in the thread to be cautious celebrating the successes, and always remember that Russia is a very large, significant threat.
And nobody can accuse me of supporting Russia in any way.
And I agree with your assessment, unfortunately. I still think the shit may yet to hit the fan.
 
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Russia's Army is a joke because of endemic corruption.

The NATO armies are a joke because of extreme levels of complacency since 1991, woke HR and DEI take over, equipment made for MIC profit first and foremost before anything and of course lack of a shared will.

Like I have said in another post: It would be World War Three Stooges.
 
Uncle Sam can't keep a lid on the Houthis. That alone should indicate the actual readiness of their military.

The Houthis make the Taliban look like incompetent goatfuckers, and yet the US managed to spend a Trillion dollars and 20 years not accomplishing a fucking thing over there. I wouldn't expect this to go better.
 
Also, who really wants to die for Joe Biden? The "commander-in-chief" can't even speak in complete sentences and exudes zero confidence or competence.
Indoctrinated shitlib woke active duty soldiers would rather set themselves on fire literally than fight for Israel.

So Democrats have screwed up super hard.

But they won't stop the kikeniggerfaggot worship.
 
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