Astronauts stranded in space due to multiple issues with Boeing's Starliner — and the window for a return flight is closing

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Astronauts stranded in space due to multiple issues with Boeing's Starliner — and the window for a return flight is closing​


Two NASA astronauts who rode to orbit on Boeing's Starliner are currently stranded in space aboard the International Space Station (ISS) after engineers discovered numerous issues with the Boeing spacecraft. Teams on the ground are now racing to assess Starliner's status.

Astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were originally scheduled to return to Earth on June 13 after a week on the ISS, but their stay has been extended for a second time due to the ongoing issues. The astronauts will now return home no sooner than June 26th, according to NASA.

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After years of delays, Boeing's Starliner capsule successfully blasted offon its inaugural crewed flight from Florida's Cape Canaveral Space Force Station at 10:52 a.m. EDT on June 5. But during the 25-hour flight, engineers discovered five separate helium leaks to the spacecraft's thruster system.

Now, to give engineers time to troubleshoot the faults, NASA has announced it will push back the perilous return flight, extending the crew's stay on the space station to at least three weeks.

"We've learned that our helium system is not performing as designed," Mark Nappi, Boeing's Starliner program manager, said at a news conference on June 18. "Albeit manageable, it's still not working like we designed it. So we've got to go figure that out."

The return module of the Starliner spacecraft is currently docked to the ISS's Harmony module as NASA and Boeing engineers assess the vital hardware issues aboard the vessel, including five helium leaks to the system that pressurizes the spacecraft's propulsion system, and five thruster failures to its reaction-control system.

After powering the thrusters up on June 15, engineers found that most of these issues appeared to be at least partially resolved, but their exact causes remain unknown.

However, the Harmony module's limited fuel means Starliner can only stay docked for 45 days, so the window for a safe return flight is narrowing.

The issues are the latest in a long list of setbacks and headaches for Boeing's spacecraft. The company built the Starliner capsule as a part of NASA's Commercial Crew Program, a partnership between the agency and private companies to ferry astronauts into low Earth orbit following the retirement of NASA's space shuttles in 2011. SpaceX's Crew Dragon also came from this initiative and has racked up 12 crewed flights since it began operating in 2020.

But Starliner's first uncrewed test flight in 2019 was scuppered by a software fault that placed it in the wrong orbit, and a second attempt was held back by issues with a fuel valve. After more reviews last year, the company had to fix issues with the capsule's parachutes and remove around a mile (1.6 kilometers) of tape that was found to be flammable.

The current mission is Boeing's third attempt to take the crew to the ISS. The previous two were scrubbed by a vibrating oxygen valve on the United Launch Alliance's Atlas V rocket on which Starliner was mounted (and which was developed by Lockheed Martin) and a computer glitch in a ground launch sequencer, respectively.
 
I'm genuinely horrified that the astronauts' welfare is apparently no consideration compared to embarrassing a megacorp with a recent history of enormous fatal cockups.

Note I didn't say I was in any way surprised, but I am horrified.

With no disrespect at all (the opposite) to Sunita Williams, one of the most impressive humans on this planet, they are leaving a post menopausal woman in a zero G environment for possibly close to a year. That inevitably has long term effects on her bone density and strength. (Even though she ran a fucking marathon in space.)

Seriously, this is not an acceptable situation, and the fact it seems to be getting generally shrugged off is Not Fucking Okay.
 
Being severely annoyed by being temporarily stranded in space but with no real imminent danger makes for a good curiosity article but it isn't true tabloid headliner material, it doesn't have the sellability of impending grisly doom on a timer only avoidable through human ingenuity like the OceanGate thing, those kids trapped in a flooded Thai cave or the Chile mine collapse. Since the only real imminent victim is a centerpiece of American industry, I'm not terribly surprised that it's being sidelined instead of being paraded front and center.

If the astronauts were on an actual death timer and HAD to be rescued within a certain time frame, it'd likely receive much more attention.
It's still a massive failure for a company and agency that are lagging behind their competitors.
They desperately needed a big PR win like a successful space mission, if it was anyone else, the chinks, SpaceX, Russians, etc, It would at least get a bi-weekly article about how they are still stuck up there.
 
The real problem with the Boing capsule is, if they eventually figure out how to un-dock it without someone staying aboard, it apparently doesn't have the ability to autopilot its way back to earth, meaning it will be adrift. It'll re-enter uncontrollably and could land on someone's house.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, or the internet equivilent of that, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying there's a significant chance that the ISS is soon to become the most expensive mausoleum on/above Earth?
 
Why does a voice in the back of my head tell me they'll be up there until 2025 to avoid this becoming a September Surprise when everything goes pear-shaped as it has been shaping up to do for a while now?

That would be psychotic and petty, and I absolutely believe the current administration would do something like that.
 
I don't want to put words in your mouth, or the internet equivilent of that, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying there's a significant chance that the ISS is soon to become the most expensive mausoleum on/above Earth?
No, I'm saying the Boing capsule is going to be adrift. ISS will be fine.
 
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No, I'm saying the Boing capsule is going to be adrift. ISS will be fine.
Maybe boeing made the software update to make sure no-one was inside the capsule when it was separated from the ISS to avoid a lone person pulling a 'Lister', except in this case instead of a giant ship, it's a portaloo.
If the yanks refuse international help, can we call this Kursk 2 : Spaceship boogaloo. (very fitting if you believe the conspiracy theory that space is filmed underwater)
 
I'm genuinely horrified that the astronauts' welfare is apparently no consideration compared to embarrassing a megacorp with a recent history of enormous fatal cockups.
I was thinking that too.... specifically, yeah, they won't starve or run out of air... but.... extended zero-g is not good for you health, even if you are a trained astronaut using every method available to mitigate it.

Not to mention the psychological factor of being told you're gonna miss Thanksgiving, Christmas, and who knows what else because, hey, we had shareholders to please!
 
I was thinking that too.... specifically, yeah, they won't starve or run out of air... but.... extended zero-g is not good for you health, even if you are a trained astronaut using every method available to mitigate it.

Not to mention the psychological factor of being told you're gonna miss Thanksgiving, Christmas, and who knows what else because, hey, we had shareholders to please!
ISS is also pretty small, think several RVs connected by a small hole, and they are completely clogged with lockers, experiment stations.
2 extra crew members, that will derail both the Russian and American crew rotation schedules, delay experiments, they are probably not EVA trained or have suits to their size in the station, so they can't do maintenance except in dire emergencies.

It's like having to live with your aunt and uncle cause their house burned down but COVID struck so, you and your brother and your parents are stuck with them for a year, and there's no spare bedroom so they live in the living room, even if they do their best to keep out of the way it's still going to suck for everyone.
 
Being severely annoyed by being temporarily stranded in space but with no real imminent danger makes for a good curiosity article but it isn't true tabloid headliner material, it doesn't have the sellability of impending grisly doom on a timer only avoidable through human ingenuity like the OceanGate thing, those kids trapped in a flooded Thai cave or the Chile mine collapse. Since the only real imminent victim is a centerpiece of American industry, I'm not terribly surprised that it's being sidelined instead of being paraded front and center.

If the astronauts were on an actual death timer and HAD to be rescued within a certain time frame, it'd likely receive much more attention.


They'll be fine. NASA can bring them back in September if necessary and February is in a normal timeframe.

SpaceX has the capsule capacity and launch capacity to get something up there in ~90 days easily.

Let's not forget Soyuz either....

The Starliner issues are related to valves overheating and constricting when helium is pumped through them for the thrusters.

They've figured out the issues but aren't 100% certain of exactly why it's happening.

The capsule could be ejected and sent back home at any time without a crew BUT if it lands without anyone on board it probably won't be man rated and will therefore be a gigantic waste of money until they actually complete a mission with a crew on one.

Meanwhile, SNC and the based Dream Chaser space plane has multiple missions planned for 2025 and has cost $1.4 billion so far.

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Did they come back down yet? Are they dead yet? Holy shit n
No and no.
But they will be dead soon.
IF they manage to get back to earth ok both of them will suddenly commit suicide for making Boeing look bad.
Dead people can not talk to media about why things went to shit.

Die in a fireball when starshit explodes on re entry or die from suicide if you manage to land. Your choice.
 
All this technology in hands of idiots just makes for glorious new ways of dying. One under water, one in vastness of space.
 

NASA says Elon Musk's SpaceX will bring home the Boeing astronauts stuck in space — but not until next year​

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NASA has decided the lives of two astronauts stuck at the International Space Station will be in SpaceX's hands after weeks of intense deliberation and serious safety concerns.

NASA Administrator Bill Nelson made the announcement during a press conference on Saturday at the Johnson Space Center in Houston.

The two astronauts, Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore, have been on the ISS for 11 weeks. Their mission was originally supposed to last eight days.

The ordeal began when five of Starliner's 28 reaction control system thrusters failed as it traveled to the ISS in June. The spacecraft's helium system was also leaking.

Mission controllers have been working to resolve the issues and test the spacecraft ever since in the hopes they — and not someone else — could safely bring the astronauts home.

NASA leadership held an internal meeting earlier today to review whether Williams and Wilmore could safely return to Earth on Boeing's Starliner spacecraft or if they should rely on SpaceX's Crew Dragon instead.

NASA's decision to trust SpaceX to complete the mission could significantly impact the future of Boeing's space program.

During a July press conference, a NASA official acknowledged that relying on SpaceX to retrieve the astronauts was an option but declined to provide details.

NASA confirmed its SpaceX backup plan this month and postponed the company's next launch to September 24. The delay allows Wilmore and Williams to fly home with the SpaceX crew on its four-person spacecraft in February, about eight months later than their initial schedule.

The SpaceX plan isn't without flaws.

Wilmore and Wiliams arrived at the ISS in spacesuits compatible with Boeing's Starliner — not the Crew Dragon spaceship. Williams and Wilmore will have to travel to Earth without suits on the Crew Dragon spaceship, which does not guarantee as much protection for them, according to Fortune.

Boeing's Starliner spacecraft during NASA's Boeing Crew Flight Test in June.
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This is possibly the biggest safety decision NASA has had to make in decades. The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, during which seven astronauts died, has weighed heavily on the minds of the Starliner mission managers, many of whom were involved in that failed flight, Ars Technica reported.

"I've been very hyper-focused lately on this concept of combating organizational silence. If you look at both, unfortunately, Challenger and Columbia, you can see cases where people had the right data or a valid position to put forward, but the environment just didn't allow it," Russ DeLoach, the chief of NASA's Office of Safety and Mission Assurance said in a briefing about the Starliner mission on August 14.

NASA funneled $4.2 billion into Starliner's development. The contract is part of the agency's Commercial Crew Program, an effort to give NASA multiple US-based options for human spaceflight rather than depending on Russian Soyuz spacecraft.

The Starliner's original mission was meant to prove that it could safely ferry astronauts to and from the ISS regularly.

Both Boeing and SpaceX have spent a decade working with NASA on their Starliner and Crew Dragon vehicles, respectively.

NASA always insisted the program was not a competition or a race, but if it had been, SpaceX would've won by a landslide. Not only did the company complete its first crewed test flight four years ago, as CEO Elon Musk pointed out ahead of Williams' and Wilmore's launch — it did it for cheaper, only costing NASA $2.6 billion.

After years of delays, technical issues, and rising costs, this Crew Flight Test was the last hurdle Boeing had to clear for NASA to certify Starliner for human spaceflight.
 
Wilmore and Wiliams arrived at the ISS in spacesuits compatible with Boeing's Starliner — not the Crew Dragon spaceship. Williams and Wilmore will have to travel to Earth without suits on the Crew Dragon spaceship, which does not guarantee as much protection for them, according to Fortune.
Not wearing suits sounds like a bad idea. Can't they 3D print an adapter? If they can't for some reason, I think they should at least wear their under-helmets that might help in a crash.
 
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