Astronauts stranded in space due to multiple issues with Boeing's Starliner — and the window for a return flight is closing

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Astronauts stranded in space due to multiple issues with Boeing's Starliner — and the window for a return flight is closing​


Two NASA astronauts who rode to orbit on Boeing's Starliner are currently stranded in space aboard the International Space Station (ISS) after engineers discovered numerous issues with the Boeing spacecraft. Teams on the ground are now racing to assess Starliner's status.

Astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were originally scheduled to return to Earth on June 13 after a week on the ISS, but their stay has been extended for a second time due to the ongoing issues. The astronauts will now return home no sooner than June 26th, according to NASA.

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After years of delays, Boeing's Starliner capsule successfully blasted offon its inaugural crewed flight from Florida's Cape Canaveral Space Force Station at 10:52 a.m. EDT on June 5. But during the 25-hour flight, engineers discovered five separate helium leaks to the spacecraft's thruster system.

Now, to give engineers time to troubleshoot the faults, NASA has announced it will push back the perilous return flight, extending the crew's stay on the space station to at least three weeks.

"We've learned that our helium system is not performing as designed," Mark Nappi, Boeing's Starliner program manager, said at a news conference on June 18. "Albeit manageable, it's still not working like we designed it. So we've got to go figure that out."

The return module of the Starliner spacecraft is currently docked to the ISS's Harmony module as NASA and Boeing engineers assess the vital hardware issues aboard the vessel, including five helium leaks to the system that pressurizes the spacecraft's propulsion system, and five thruster failures to its reaction-control system.

After powering the thrusters up on June 15, engineers found that most of these issues appeared to be at least partially resolved, but their exact causes remain unknown.

However, the Harmony module's limited fuel means Starliner can only stay docked for 45 days, so the window for a safe return flight is narrowing.

The issues are the latest in a long list of setbacks and headaches for Boeing's spacecraft. The company built the Starliner capsule as a part of NASA's Commercial Crew Program, a partnership between the agency and private companies to ferry astronauts into low Earth orbit following the retirement of NASA's space shuttles in 2011. SpaceX's Crew Dragon also came from this initiative and has racked up 12 crewed flights since it began operating in 2020.

But Starliner's first uncrewed test flight in 2019 was scuppered by a software fault that placed it in the wrong orbit, and a second attempt was held back by issues with a fuel valve. After more reviews last year, the company had to fix issues with the capsule's parachutes and remove around a mile (1.6 kilometers) of tape that was found to be flammable.

The current mission is Boeing's third attempt to take the crew to the ISS. The previous two were scrubbed by a vibrating oxygen valve on the United Launch Alliance's Atlas V rocket on which Starliner was mounted (and which was developed by Lockheed Martin) and a computer glitch in a ground launch sequencer, respectively.
 
Question: Does Boeing’s Starliner program die an ignoble death or has NASA (taxpayers) sunk too much money in it for it to be canned?
It matters what Boeing wants to do. If they quit now they're out billions of dollars.
 
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Not wearing suits sounds like a bad idea. Can't they 3D print an adapter? If they can't for some reason, I think they should at least wear their under-helmets that might help in a crash.
I am guessing the suit compatibility is way more than a dinky little adaptor can fix my man. This situation is already fucked. It might be more unsafe to try to jerry rig a fix than go down with no suit at all.
 
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Probably boils down to bureaucratic paralysis for why it's taking until February to get them back to Earth, but I cannot help thinking NASA is still desperately trying to give Boeing a chance to correct their clusterfuck and avoid giving SpaceX further legitimacy.

Stranding two people in space for months is something any normal organization would treat as an emergency worthy of assembling a rescue party, even if it's one headed by Musk.
 
Wilmore and Wiliams arrived at the ISS in spacesuits compatible with Boeing's Starliner — not the Crew Dragon spaceship. Williams and Wilmore will have to travel to Earth without suits on the Crew Dragon spaceship, which does not guarantee as much protection for them, according to Fortune.
Hahahahahah AHAHAHAHA, they didn't even force the manufacturers to use standardized parts so that one suit can be used on all spacecraft. What in the fucking hell.
 
Question: Does Boeing’s Starliner program die an ignoble death or has NASA (taxpayers) sunk too much money in it for it to be canned?
Probably dead. The project was a fixed price contract, so Boing needs to actually produce something functional on a actual budget. Each test is costing them lots of money as they are already in the red. This mission is a total failure and they would need to do this all over again to get the human rating. So another X years of fixing all the issues they they have not fixed in the past decade or so this project has been running. At some point this is not worth it to pay all the DEI hiers and lame duck managers to build a faulty product.
It matters what Boeing wants to do. If they quit now they're out billions of dollars.
They are also out Major prestige as well as market (NASA and others) confidence. Any time in the future Boing is even considered to build something, NASA is going to be ligit questioned by Congress and the Senate. You can only fuck up so much and the era of cost-plus contracts are being phased out. The last one was the SLS (also Boing) and it has been a series of failures, delays, overruns, and overall an embarrassment for US space interests.
 
Not wearing suits sounds like a bad idea. Can't they 3D print an adapter? If they can't for some reason, I think they should at least wear their under-helmets that might help in a crash.
Maybe they can bring two suits up with them on the next Space-X flight?
Surely they have the capability to manufacture a couple of new suits.
 
Stranding two people in space for months is something any normal organization would treat as an emergency worthy of assembling a rescue party, even if it's one headed by Musk.
Seeing how this is election year, and Musk went from real life Tony Stark to Adolf Hitler in the minds of the democratic party and liberals, this wasn't a easy decision, whoever did it, overruled every political pressure to not give Musk or worse, the Russians any chance of exploiting this, even at the expense of the astronauts lives.
Question: Does Boeing’s Starliner program die an ignoble death or has NASA (taxpayers) sunk too much money in it for it to be canned?
It matters what Boeing wants to do. If they quit now they're out billions of dollars.
This is a interesting thing, Congress is going to grill NASA on why they insisted on Boeing and it's 1960s Apollo derived caspule (no really it's a modernized apollo command module with reusable space shuttle reentry tiles as its heatshield) for its comercial contract which failed time and time again.
The last one was the SLS (also Boing) and it has been a series of failures, delays, overruns, and overall an embarrassment for US space interests.
SLS is a hilarious failure, a simple enough project to stick the space shuttle engines into the external tank (as it should had been done in the first places as the energia-buran showed it was safer and made the booster be able to launch independent loads from the shuttle) that has ran since 2004 (Ares) then restarted in 2009 and costs over 20 billion in cost overruns with the launch cost being around 1-2 billion.

Meanwhile SpaceX out of a shed in texas, using naval construction techniques welding a big steel tube with modern engines in it, costing only 9 billion since 2016 has demonstrated it can fly and return home even if its partially melted down during reentry. something the columbia folks would had certainly appreciated it.
 
avoid giving SpaceX further legitimacy
Seeing how this is election year, and Musk went from real life Tony Stark to Adolf Hitler in the minds of the democratic party and liberals
Musk is supplying hohols with comms, there are more American lives on the line there than IN SPAAAAAACE!, and first-world's "the left" anywhere is more determined to make war on the actual left than the same country's "militaristic right wing nuts".
 
If God Emperor Trump returns, could anyone see him folding NASA into Space Force to try and get some sort of competent project management in place? Someone said it previously, the Boeing X-Whatever spy shuttle is good shit so it shows they can do things properly when it's military related. Is that because military are more likely to notice when they are being taken for a ride, unlike NASA who allowed Starliner to take 2 humans up? Would stamping the SF insignia on all missions improve anything?
 
Oh, if only boeing had spent its money on competent workers instead of assassins to keep shaniqua employed. Now, once again, the company is humiliated in the public eye and this one may just kill them.
 
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Question: Does Boeing’s Starliner program die an ignoble death or has NASA (taxpayers) sunk too much money in it for it to be canned?

It matters what Boeing wants to do. If they quit now they're out billions of dollars.
This contract has been bleeding money for Boeing. Because it's a Fixed Price contract. Boeing has had to pay for all overages. Management will be happy to see it collapse. Their only concern is the massive penalties they will get hit with for failing to deliver.

They want the crew to return on Starliner because that stamps "fulfilled" on their contract. Allowing them to walk away without penalty. Or to overcharge for each production flight.

Given that there are no more rockets and engines that Starliner is certified to ride on, I'm thinking it's dead. Because to fly again requires a crapton of recertifications on new rockets. Boeings SLS system has similar problems.
Maybe they can bring two suits up with them on the next Space-X flight?
Surely they have the capability to manufacture a couple of new suits.
That is already the plan. Musk's Kerbal's already have 2 suits picked out and sized well enough that they should be fine for Butch and Sundance. They will go up on the next Dragon.

While never tested or qualified for it, Dragon was technically designed for 6 Astronauts. The only change they made from 6 was removing 2 chairs for more cargo space. So a Dragon can bring 6 home.

As far as suits? Remember prior to the Challenger disaster the Space Shuttle astronauts used to do re-entry and landing in regular shirtsleeves. It's not ideal, but it's not instant death. And is still probably safer than the cursed Boeing capsule of doom.

To borrow a quote from legendary test pilot Lin Hendrix
" you're not big enough and there aren't enough of you to get me back in that thing"
 
Apparently the astronauts contacted mission control about a mysterious pinging sound now emitting from Starliner
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Sounds like the software update introduced a few bugs. :stress:

We should honestly run a poll to ask if this thing is going to do. Land safe, burn up on re-entry, impact the ISS, get flung out into the solar system? Possibilities are only limited by Boings incompetence.
 
Sounds like the software update introduced a few bugs. :stress:

We should honestly run a poll to ask if this thing is going to do. Land safe, burn up on re-entry, impact the ISS, get flung out into the solar system? Possibilities are only limited by Boings incompetence.
They probably need to at least try to land it as safely as possible so they can diagnose what caused the issues. If it erupts into a fireball, even without the astronauts on it that's going to look damning for Boeing.
 
Can they not decouple this thing via spacewalk? Just let it burn up at this point.
 
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