Asymmetrical Multiculturalism - Or 'identity politics for me, but not for thee'

[Dante Alighieri]

You're not @Ron /pol/

You're troll posts are too long, too detailed, and so over the top re-tarded that no one finds it funny. Stop trying so hard.

He's trolling?

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

Racial pride is retarded full stop, and this goes for every shade of the "human rainbow"

You derive pride from what you do, not from what you are. You didn't achieve anything from your race, your orientation, your sex or any other inborn and immutable characteristic. It's also really stupid to stand on the achievements of others that happened to share your immutable characteristics and trumpet about how proud you are of the immutable characteristic that links you to those people and not how proud you are of those people themselves and what they did.

Me, I'm pretty fucking proud of a lot of people in America's past, some one kind of person, some another. I'm not going to wear what they did as some kind of badge of pride based on my shared sex or race with them or whatever, but I'm gonna give them props.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and black folks? Tell me more about how proud you are at topping the leaderboards on STD rates, violent crime convictions, and WSHH videos. Y'all love to trumpet about the greatness of people like MLK Jr. or Carver or (pick one, there's a few they like to brag about depending on who you ask) while you proceed to ensure that there will never be another person that great to rise from your ranks again with your crabs-in-a-bucket shit.

 

[Vitoze]

You derive pride from what you do, not from what you are. You didn't achieve anything from your race, your orientation, your sex or any other inborn and immutable characteristic. It's also really stupid to stand on the achievements of others that happened to share your immutable characteristics and trumpet about how proud you are of the immutable characteristic that links you to those people and not how proud you are of those people themselves and what they did.

What are you talking about? I enjoy being blamed for literally everything. I blame the jews for less shit than gets routinely blamed on whypipo. If I'm gonna be held responsible for all the evil the people in the genetic cluster I happen to be in did, I might as well be proud of the important cool shit they did too, the atom bomb, translating anime, king arthur, and being the so good at everything we conquered the planet. An individual without anything to look back on or forwards to is just that, an incoherent liberalist.

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

What are you talking about? I enjoy being blamed for literally everything. I blame the jews for less shit than gets routinely blamed on whypipo. If I'm gonna be held responsible for all the evil the people in the genetic cluster I happen to be in did, I might as well be proud of the important cool shit they did too, the atom bomb, translating anime, king arthur, and being the so good at everything we conquered the planet. An individual without anything to look back on or forwards to is just that, an incoherent liberalist.

Atom bomb was as much a Jewish invention as it was a white American invention.

In any event, you want to be retarded and take shit that isn't actually yours like a nigger? Cool beans.

 

[Vitoze]

Atom bomb was as much a Jewish invention as it was a white American invention.

In any event, you want to be exceptional and take shit that isn't actually yours like a nigger? Cool beans.

Cool, so I can share something with the international zionist menace. I didn't think I had any common ground!

What have I taken that isn't mine? I enjoy being related to the best group of inventors and conquerors the world has ever known.

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

Cool, so I can share something with the international zionist menace. I didn't think I had any common ground!

What have I taken that isn't mine? I enjoy being related to the best group of inventors and conquerors the world has ever known.

Oh I see you traveled back in time and helped work on Trinity, that explains it. My mistake!

You stand on the shoulders of many, many giants and think yourself tall. I'd say that I doubt your descendants will have much to say about you, but let's face it you're probably not going to have any of those.

 

[Vitoze]

Oh I see you traveled back in time and helped work on Trinity, that explains it. My mistake!

You stand on the shoulders of many, many giants and think yourself tall. I'd say that I doubt your descendants will have much to say about you, but let's face it you're probably not going to have any of those.

Don't you have liberalistism to spread? Go be a deracinated individual somehwere where that matters.

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

Don't you have liberalistism to spread? Go be a deracinated individual somehwere where that matters.

You're just mad the last people to champion your ideology got flogged so fucking hard their descendants have done nothing but self-flagellate and suck migrant cock for it since. You suppose Dresden smelled kind of like a barbecue?

Step up again, we'll give you another. Wonder what bunch of folks straight out of Africa your descendants will fellate after we wrap the next sequel in this series up.

 

[Vitoze]

You're just mad the last people to champion your ideology got flogged so fucking hard their descendants have done nothing but self-flagellate and suck migrant cock for it since. You suppose Dresden smelled kind of like a barbecue?

Step up again, we'll give you another. Wonder what bunch of folks straight out of Africa your descendants will fellate after we wrap the next sequel in this series up.

'muh yahtzees' cry harder nerd. Don't forget Dresden was bombed by a de facto white supremacist empire, lol.

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

'muh yahtzees' cry harder nerd. Don't forget Dresden was bombed by a de facto white supremacist empire, lol.

He says as he pines for his beloved NSDAP, full of closeted faggots like Goering, whiny bitches like Goebbels, and chronic failures like Hitler. Imagine being so fucking repulsive that even a bunch of rayciss Muricans decide you need to get purged with fire lol.

I will say though, Germany's definitely less rayciss than us now! Hard to beat Germany's overweening desire to give free shit to Turks and darkies. Those Krauts don't do anything by halves. Unless it's waging war, lol, then they get fucking spanked over and over and never fucking learn.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Step up again, we'll give you another.

We?

Aren't you the one here railing on about how people shouldn't be proud of their heritage or whatever. Who is this "we" you speak of, or are you a WW2 veteran who flew over 300 bombing runs over Dresden?

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

We?

Aren't you the one here railing on about how people shouldn't be proud of their heritage or whatever. Who is this "we" you speak of, or are you a WW2 veteran who flew over 300 bombing runs over Dresden?

Oh, I was definitely not that fortunate. But I'll be very happy to carry on the tradition of flattening dumb fucking Krauts from altitude if the opportunity arises. Whatever else anyone who flew a bomber sortie over Germany did in their lives, at least they did the world a service in the form of reminding the Germans why they're going to lose every fight they get into from that point on out. They could get to the pearly gates and St. Peter would say "Well, you did kick some puppies back in the day, but you toasted a bunch of asshole Jerries. You're in."

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

I was definitely not that fortunate. But I'll be very happy to carry on the tradition of flattening dumb fucking Krauts from altitude if the opportunity arises.

So what you're saying is

you want to be exceptional and take shit that isn't actually yours like a nigger?

and

you stand on the shoulders of many, many giants and think yourself tall.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Oh, I was definitely not that fortunate. But I'll be very happy to carry on the tradition of flattening dumb fucking Krauts from altitude if the opportunity arises. Whatever else anyone who flew a bomber sortie over Germany did in their lives, at least they did the world a service in the form of reminding the Germans why they're going to lose every fight they get into from that point on out. They could get to the pearly gates and St. Peter would say "Well, you did kick some puppies back in the day, but you toasted a bunch of asshole Jerries. You're in."

I will never undertsand the eternal anglo's irrational hatred of Germans; I mean, I can understand why Germans are disliked, but Anglos take their hatred to 11, to the point it feels silly

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

German-tier reading comprehension strikes again.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You derive pride from what you do, not from what you are. You didn't achieve anything from your race, your orientation, your sex or any other inborn and immutable characteristic. It's also really stupid to stand on the achievements of others that happened to share your immutable characteristics and trumpet about how proud you are of the immutable characteristic that links you to those people and not how proud you are of those people themselves and what they did.

This is only true if you are a completely atomized individualist, like Peterson propagates. He's even gone so far as to infer you should feel guilty about it in one panel discussion.

There's also the falseness that taking pride in it would mean the same thing as claiming personal responsibility for it. That's just a sneaky and false way to make pride in heritage sound bad.

Taking pride in one's heritage doesn't necessarily mean saying: "I did that, I am awesome for doing that", it means saying "my kind did that, it shows what my kind is capable of and I'm going to use it as an ideal to live up to".

There are a lot of different parts of our identity and race and nationality are two parts of those.

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Let's put it another way. If my dad is the town drunk, I am going to be ashamed for relating to him and that means I want to choose a different path than he did. If he is a respected scholar, I am going to be proud of him and it means I would want to choose some of the same paths as he chose.

The same goes with larger, non-individualistic persuits; what religious organisation to support, what political party to support, what societal ideas to support. When you atomize everything only to what you personally achieved (and not take pride in for example, a large charity action that you were only a tiny cog in, or a societal idea like free speech or abolishing slavery), then you remain disconnected to the larger things in this world.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

German-tier reading comprehension strikes again.

>Everyone I don't like is German: A child's guide to political discussion

 

[Lemmingwise]

Nobody gives a shit if you have German pride, Irish Pride, Italian pride, etc. But white pride as a concept is irrevocably linked with ideas like slavery, colonialism, and the hardcore boner white nationalists have for creating white ethnostates through the displacement and/or murder of non-whites. Things like black pride don't carry that same stigma because the history of black people has a huge 400 year hole in it called the Atlantic slave trade that Europeans don't have, at least not to such a great extent.

Except if you go to Germany, Ireland, Italy..... then suddenly people do give a shit about those kinds of pride.

It's almost like that the one collective group identity that would have a chance of succesfully uniting the majority in a population is exactly the one that isn't allowed in each western state.

The arguments you use against white pride in the US are similar to the ones used against national pride in European countries. They're a little harder to believe for countries that barely had colonies, but those countries were involved in the second world war, so they get blamed for the holocaust instead (even Poland though they were occupied, lol).

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

This is only true if you are a completely atomized individualist, like Peterson propagates. He's even gone so far as to infer you should feel guilty about it in one panel discussion.

There's also the falseness that taking pride in it would mean the same thing as claiming personal responsibility for it. That's just a sneaky and false way to make pride in heritage sound bad.

Taking pride in one's heritage doesn't necessarily mean saying: "I did that, I am awesome for doing that", it means saying "my kind did that, it shows what my kind is capable of and I'm going to use it as an ideal to live up to".

There are a lot of different parts of our identity and race and nationality are two parts of those.

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Let's put it another way. If my dad is the town drunk, I am going to be ashamed for relating to him and that means I want to choose a different path than he did. If he is a respected scholar, I am going to be proud of him and it means I would want to choose some of the same paths as he chose.

The same goes with larger, non-individualistic persuits; what religious organisation to support, what political party to support, what societal ideas to support. When you atomize everything only to what you personally achieved (and not take pride in for example, being a large charity action that you were only a tiny cog in), then you remain disconnected to the larger things in this world.

To approach it from this angle opens two unpleasant doors:
Door 1. "Anyone who's from a historically underachieving demographic just can't help it, the poor dears." From this door lead paths like "We should prop them up with gibs and headpats" and "We should just scour them from the earth".
Door 2. "You only achieved that because you are from demographic X." Your personal choices are meaningless, you were fated to achieve that by dint of your demographic, and thus it's not even really an achievement.

If I do something worthwhile I'll give props to those who gave me the knowledge that lead me to that thing if applicable, I'll give credit to those who might have helped fund that thing in particular coming to fruition if applicable, but I'm not for a single solitary SECOND going to give anyone else a damn thing more. If someone else does something worthwhile, I'm not gonna pretend his achievement makes ME a better person just because we share demographic info. I want nothing to do with that shit. I want to OWN my success as fully as possible whether it's normal for my demographic or unusual for my demographic.

Atomization of individualism is as FAR away from those potential doors and paths as possible and those are doors I want to distance myself as much as possible from. I don't WANT your fucking "Our kind does great things". I'll shitpost day-in day-out to poke fun at some collectivist little Naziboo but I want nothing to do with any form of collectivization that I don't absolutely HAVE to deal with.

 

[Lemmingwise]

To approach it from this angle opens two unpleasant doors:
Door 1. "Anyone who's from a historically underachieving demographic just can't help it, the poor dears." From this door lead paths like "We should prop them up with gibs and headpats" and "We should just scour them from the earth".
Door 2. "You only achieved that because you are from demographic X." Your personal choices are meaningless, you were fated to achieve that by dint of your demographic, and thus it's not even really an achievement.

No, it doesn't. Door 1 is false. It goes back to the drunk/scholar dad example. If you are from an underachieving demographic, you should be ashamed of part of your history and you should seek to make changes. China is a good example that started making economic changes away from their communist ideas that they had adopted and let to stagnation and adopting some free market principles to start to do better. An example of a country that is refusing to make changes is Pakistan in relation to consaguinity; they have the highest rate of consanguinity in the world, shamelessly. After all if it was good enough for the prophet, it's good enough for them. It's causing an ever increase in birth complications.

You should be ashamed of the part of your history that is underachieving and yes, that means that some shame for brutalities can be appropriate as long as you don't let it dominate (like the scholar dad coming home drunk twice and being a bit of an ass). You have to keep things in perspective of course.

Door 2 is a false proposition as well. If I'm from a chinese family that knows the secret of making silk, yes, I only know that because I was born in the right family, but I still had to learn how to make it and guard its secret. The choice to follow in the footsteps still have to be made and the sacrifices and effort to learn to do it. This means the personal choice isn't meaningless, even if you had the advantage of having good parents who passed it on to you.

It really boggles my mind that you would find it unpleasant for people to be connected to previous generations and groups larger than 1.

If I do something worthwhile I'll give props to those who gave me the knowledge that lead me to that thing if applicable, I'll give credit to those who might have helped fund that thing in particular coming to fruition if applicable, but I'm not for a single solitary SECOND going to give anyone else a damn thing more. If someone else does something worthwhile, I'm not gonna pretend his achievement makes ME a better person just because we share demographic info. I want nothing to do with that shit. I want to OWN my success as fully as possible whether it's normal for my demographic or unusual for my demographic.

Atomization of individualism is as FAR away from those potential doors and paths as possible and those are doors I want to distance myself as much as possible from. I don't WANT your fucking "Our kind does great things". I'll shitpost day-in day-out to poke fun at some collectivist little Naziboo but I want nothing to do with any form of collectivization that I don't absolutely HAVE to deal with.

I follow aristotle's thinking in the sense that a virtue is a balance between two things and the extremes are vices. If you want to go as far as possible into individualism I consider that as much as a threat as someone that wants to go as far into collectivization as possible. Why do you presume there would be no possibility of balance between the two?

Have you never experienced being part of a group effort? Of being responsible for something collectively, even if it's a group of 5 or 6, where you can't say "I OWN THIS", but only "WE DID THIS"?