At what point does the prospect of armed resistance stop glowing in the dark? - No glownigging ITT please.

[Penis Drager]

So I think we can all agree that, in the current state of things and in the near future (in the US at least), arming up and going out to kill government officials and enforcers or blowing up federal buildings is not the right way to go. This is so true that it's a common gag that anyone doing/advocating for such behavior must be a fed trying to strip rights away from common citizens or something like that. But when does the time come where armed resistance is necessary for the preservation of a free state? At what point is it actually time to say "fuck your optics. I'm going in?"

 

[EryngiumLostHisKeys]

Can we let Elden Ring come out first before any of you faggots start try to overthrow the government and kill public officials in broad daylight, or is that asking too much?

 

[awoo]

NOW
ELECT TRUMP

 

[L50LasPak]

If the spooks are doing their job right, the answer is never as they'll have already infiltrated every major revolutionary or secessionist group that shows promise.

Of course knowing how corrupt and lazy these organizations are these days its unclear how much actual ground work they're doing. Adolf Hitler was, after all, a secret policeman assigned to spy on the German National Socialist movement before he decided he liked the cut of their jib. Unless something seriously weakens the powers of secret agencies on a large scale (unlikely, any major disaster or crisis will just funnel more money their way) I don't see that story repeating any time soon though.

 

[Penis Drager]

NOW
ELECT TRUMP

dammit I said no glownigging

 

[nekrataal]

let me apply some sunscreen before I approach the glow.

 

[Pixy]

If the spooks are doing their job right, the answer is never as they'll have already infiltrated every major revolutionary or secessionist group that shows promise.

Of course knowing how corrupt and lazy these organizations are these days its unclear how much actual ground work they're doing. Adolf Hitler was, after all, a secret policeman assigned to spy on the German National Socialist movement before he decided he liked the cut of their jib. Unless something seriously weakens the powers of secret agencies on a large scale (unlikely, any major disaster or crisis will just funnel more money their way) I don't see that story repeating any time soon though.

The only reason ol' Addy was sent there in the first place was because the Feds thought they were actual socialists - the name had fooled them. Post-War germany had quite a significant number of anti-democratic groups, such as the Freikorps or even the actual German Communist Party.

Germany's sort of unique in that major elements of society were against democracy, or at least the Weimar Republic, just because they couldn't accept they had lost the war, blaming it on the politicians instead. There was a rather significant number of murders of politicians during the early years, and I wouldn't doubt that the members of their secret police were sympathetic to it. A very different beast to modern Germany, for sure.

 

[Kosher Dill]

The US's regime change wars never work out well in other countries, why on earth would it work any better on themselves? At least when you're overthrowing another country you can apply your economic and military might to prop things up somewhat.

 

[verissimus]

dammit I said no glownigging

Why not? It's ok for Antifa/BLM? Why can't the rest of us have a go?

 

[Penis Drager]

Why not? It's ok for Antifa/BLM? Why can't the rest of us have a go?

Communists and niggers are allowed to openly discuss revolution as they are mentally deficient and refusing them that right would be a violation of the ADA. Sane people don't have that privilege because they're fucking sane.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

At the point it stops being a joke.

 

[dreamworks face]

I don't think armed resistance against the US government is feasible. Saner option is to leave (which is an option I've been mulling over for years.)

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Like any other revolutionary movement it's insane right up until you win; at which point it becomes history. The commies that eventually took over Russia discussed their plans for the entirety of the USSR in a London pub before they even had a concrete movement; less than a thousand of them talking about the violent overthrow of the Tsars and the establishment of the workers paradise. It was insane at the time, and then forty years later the USA was facing down another superpower with nukes spawned from that insanity.

Armed resistance against the USA is completely insane unless you do it and win, at which point it would be a historical revolutionary movement. If you lose then you're insane terrorists.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Never. Hypothetically speaking, your last chance to rebel was before 9/11 and it is time for you conservatives to stop coping/larping about how you will comit 1776 2.0 if things ever go too far.

 

[DeadFish]

I already stated in another thread write up a declaration of dissolution.

You need to state why the American union is no longer valid. Then advise solutions to act as a rallying cry.

Ill write one but I would want feed back. My grammar is shit.

One idea is since they wont audit the election then this causes suspicion among the populace. This suspicion (despite fraud having been committed or not) will corrode society and lead to conflict.

The other is since the election was suspect then that means everything which flows from one vote one person is also suspect. Like prison sentences. If they wont fix the election, then it means the moral basis for locking people up is no longer valid. Which means police need to be abolished and those locked up released.

Even then its more then just fraud. The us government has been weaponized. Under such conditions those who would receive injury from such a goverment ought be allowed to succeed and organize in order to defend themselves.

The final kicked is explaining how bidens America is committed to forever war. Where due to war profiteering will invade and attack other nations willy nilly. In short america uas become a rabid dog and needs help from other nations in containing it. Basically youre making a case to other nations why they ought to help you succeed

Have others ideas but this your best shot.

 

[Pentex]

Like any other revolutionary movement it's insane right up until you win; at which point it becomes history. The commies that eventually took over Russia discussed their plans for the entirety of the USSR in a London pub before they even had a concrete movement; less than a thousand of them talking about the violent overthrow of the Tsars and the establishment of the workers paradise. It was insane at the time, and then forty years later the USA was facing down another superpower with nukes spawned from that insanity.

Armed resistance against the USA is completely insane unless you do it and win, at which point it would be a historical revolutionary movement. If you lose then you're insane terrorists.

There were a few more steps to it than that. The Socialists did most of the heavy lifting before the Bolshies snuck back into Russia. It also helped that Kerensky practically handed them Petrograd and Lenin was singing hosannas to 'peace, land, bread.' When the Bolshies began starving Russia through their incompetence and hubris, it was misguided and misplaced American altruism that saved the Soviet Union from a revolt that could have deposed the Bolshies (Russian Famine Relief Act of 1921). When the Bolshies fucked the economy, the NEPmen stepped in to get the wheels of commerce rolling again, for which Stalin rewarded them by having them expropriated, jailed, and executed.

Communists never have numerical superiority of their own members over their enemies. They require a host of useful idiots, be they soft-hearted, soft-headed, or power-hungry, to act as their vanguard against conservatives, nationalists, liberals, etc. until the time comes for the useful idiots to be discarded and purged.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

There were a few more steps to it than that. The Socialists did most of the heavy lifting before the Bolshies snuck back into Russia. It also helped that Kerensky practically handed them Petrograd and Lenin was singing hosannas to 'peace, land, bread.'

Communists never have numerical superiority of their own members over their enemies. They require a host of useful idiots, be they soft-hearted, soft-headed, or power-hungry, to act as their vanguard against conservatives, nationalists, liberals, etc. until the time comes for the useful idiots to be discarded and purged.

Sure, but I think my point of 'Shit's only insane if you fail, if you win it's not' is still true when it comes to glowing like a reactor.

Personally I fucking hate the UK government, but I can't imagine them doing something that would make me want to destroy it; it's part of our history and our nation. Destroying it would be insane, like literally insane; until the next generation grows up under whatever overthrew the government and replaced it, then what I would see as insanity would just be history.

 

[Pentex]

Sure, but I think my point of 'Shit's only insane if you fail, if you win it's not' is still true when it comes to glowing like a reactor.

Personally I fucking hate the UK government, but I can't imagine them doing something that would make me want to destroy it; it's part of our history and our nation. Destroying it would be insane, like literally insane; until the next generation grows up under whatever overthrew the government and replaced it, then what I would see as insanity would just be history.

It's a true sentiment. Victory pardons most sins in war. Armed revolt is not something that should be undertaken lightly or with half-measures.

Back to OP's questions, the problem of 'armed resistance' in 21st century is that any organization large enough to pose a threat to a national government is large enough to be infiltrated and destroyed by agents of said government. As for timing, look to other countries. I like to refer back to Spain because it looks perilously close to America's. When your own 'democracy' allows enough bad actors into government who openly talk about using the mechanisms of the state to suppress their enemies, you're in the red zone.

 

[Consenticles]

Sic semper tyrannis

 

[KingCoelacanth]

Realistically it would be if the government refuses to follow the rule of law (the constitution) in such a blatant way that normal life could not continue. I guess an instance is Maduro right now in Venezuela, but some instances over here could be Trump refusing to stand down and the military backing him.
However, the government and alphabet organizations would never just let resistance grow untamed. There will always be honeypots, false flags and other tactics used to suppress, entrap or demonize any anti-government groups, regardless if its honest Abe in power or Stalin.