Atlas Shrugged and Objectivism

[Enclave Supremacy]

What I find interesting is that the "moochers" of Atlas Shrugged were almost prophetic in a way. The counterpoint to John Galt's objectivism was the world's current of subjectivity. In the book the antagonists are constantly saying "nobody can know" "its the fault of nobody" "nothing is clear" and other things. Emotion is what powers them and shields them from the any accountability. The thoughts behind modern identity politics and the arguments used are almost verbatim what you see in Atlas Shrugged.

They're hardly arguments in Atlas, just a crude way of making all of Rand's detractors look like whinge bags. They just sit around and talk whilst the stalwart protagonists do all the work, back "altruistic" aid work to Europe and complain about how competition isn't fair.

They're not meant to be proto entitled SJWs of the 1940s. The moochers in the book never existed. I refuse to credit Rand with such an observation, she's not that good a writer.

My first question is now that Roark is cleared of those charges, (other than that one guy) who in their right mind would hire him? What if he tries to destroy their buildings just because he doesn't totally get his way or do what he wants. It wouldn't be fun if of their plans and dreams have to squished to avoid destruction.

Rand was not in industry, obviously, and had no clue about what she was talking about. Like other flights of fancy Objectivism works on hopes and dreams and everyone agreeing. Nobody would ever hire him again, businessmen are pragmatic, not bleeding hearts who are going to hire a dangerous element because he puts his heart into it.

To be honest it's almost like the reverse of the businessmen in Atlas Shrugged where anything but pragmatic business was made out to be evil. Only a moocher would be such a flake to hire an actual terrorist because they agreed with him. The irony.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

Say, have you ever seen the works of other Objectivists like Jay Naylor

The guy who draws all that gay furry porn?

 

[Hummingbird]

The guy who draws all that gay furry porn?

Yep, that's him.

 

[Pope Gregory IX]

This was in a critics review about Michael Crichtons Disclosure. It made me laugh so had to put it here::

"Not since Atlas Shrugged has a novelist strayed so egregiously from plausible human behavior in dogged pursuit of making a muddled ideological point"

 

[Too Many Crooks]

An Ayn Rand fanboy says whoever opposes capitalism should be jailed

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/politics/2127513/

 

[Hummingbird]

Wasn't there a scene in AS where Dagney abandoned one of her loyal friends in the desert to die because he wasn't good enough to he in their little utopia?

 

[Enclave Supremacy]

An Ayn Rand fanboy says whoever opposes capitalism should be jailed

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/politics/2127513/

Mate, read the comments for that. They're like a million times better. Whiny and entitled. Someone also posted a link to a post where he says he was to lazy to go for a shit in three days. Truly a Randian super-hero.

Wasn't there a scene in AS where Dagney abandoned one of her loyal friends in the desert to die because he wasn't good enough to he in their little utopia?

I honestly don't remember. I think James Taggart wants to send one of their crappy old trains through a long tunnel where everyone will die from suffocation or something and he goes with it anyway. Apparently Eddie Willers is supposed to be the "common man", the people who can be uplifted by the work of the Randian Gods and his fate is supposed to be what will befall us if Uncle Sam doesn't deregulate business.

At one point James Taggart compares him to a feudal serf working for the company and he agrees. He basically loves being Dagny Taggart's dog and is awed by her 24/7.

 

[AnOminous]

An Ayn Rand fanboy says whoever opposes capitalism should be jailed

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/politics/2127513/

Anyone who calls for censorship against opposition to their ideology is implicitly admitting that their ideology is weak and could not survive scrutiny in the light of day.

 

[Lipitor]

I started Atlas Shrugged, but never finished it, because of many times I had to roll my eyes at the dialogue in it. It seemed like every character that was stupid was oblivious to Dagny Taggart, while on the other hand, every character that was smart and capable was instantly transfixed on Dagny Taggart and conjured an intense romantic devotion to her. It was pretty obvious Dagny Taggart was suppose to be Ayn, it was too ridiculous to keep reading.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

I started Atlas Shrugged, but never finished it, because of many times I had to roll my eyes at the dialogue in it. It seemed like every character that every character that was stupid was oblivious to Dagny Taggart, while on the other hand, every character that was smart and capable was instantly transfixed on Dagny Taggart and conjured an intense romantic devotion to her. It was pretty obvious Dagny Taggart was suppose to be Ayn, it was too ridiculous to keep reading.

Indeed, Rand's fiction is rife with Mary Sues of both sexes.

 

[Big Nasty]

Anyone who calls for censorship against opposition to their ideology is implicitly admitting that their ideology is weak and could not survive scrutiny in the light of day.

They also fear any criticism because they always assume that those who oppose them are immensely more powerful than they are, and will cause them harm, just like Jon Sweet.

 

[Hummingbird]

I started Atlas Shrugged, but never finished it, because of many times I had to roll my eyes at the dialogue in it. It seemed like every character that was stupid was oblivious to Dagny Taggart, while on the other hand, every character that was smart and capable was instantly transfixed on Dagny Taggart and conjured an intense romantic devotion to her. It was pretty obvious Dagny Taggart was suppose to be Ayn, it was too ridiculous to keep reading.

IF you think that's bad, you should check out Terry Goodkind's stuff. Massive Mary-Sues, not-so-noble heroes (in a bad way), cruelty to children, over 100 page BDSM-style sexual torture scene, the world's worst battle plan ever, the evil chicken and an 80 page speech.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

IF you think that's bad, you should check out Terry Goodkind's stuff. Massive Mary-Sues, not-so-noble heroes (in a bad way), cruelty to children, over 100 page BDSM-style sexual torture scene, the world's worst battle plan ever, the evil chicken and an 80 page speech.

....sounds like 50 shades of crap! wow

 

[Hummingbird]

....sounds like 50 shades of crap! wow

I suggest checking out the sporkings of his work to see how crazy it gets. (Thankfully, the TV series didn't exactly follow the show.)

 

[TowinKarz]

I've always felt the sign of a good writer was the ability to keep their socio/political/sexual hangups from bubbling to the surface, though that may be the sign of a good EDITOR too, after all, a lot of "made it big" authors end their careers putting out that kind of drivel, once they become marketable on name, publishers seem wont to reign them in.

 

[AnimuGinger]

I started Atlas Shrugged, but never finished it, because of many times I had to roll my eyes at the dialogue in it. It seemed like every character that was stupid was oblivious to Dagny Taggart, while on the other hand, every character that was smart and capable was instantly transfixed on Dagny Taggart and conjured an intense romantic devotion to her. It was pretty obvious Dagny Taggart was suppose to be Ayn, it was too ridiculous to keep reading.

I think the idea was supposed to be that all of the characters that embody Rand's ideals are attracted to other characters that embody those ideals. Or something. It doesn't work well.

 

[Lipitor]

I think the idea was supposed to be that all of the characters that embody Rand's ideals are attracted to other characters that embody those ideals. Or something. It doesn't work well.

Yea, I picked that up. It's fucking ridiculous. Also her whole deal was that steal and manufacturing was the way to get rich. I guess the China read her book and made that shit irrelevant.

 

[Enclave Supremacy]

Yea, I picked that up. It's fucking ridiculous. Also her whole deal was that steal and manufacturing was the way to get rich. I guess the China read her book and made that shit irrelevant.

Well it was written in the 40's to be fair when that was how you made money.

But you are right of-course, all of Rand's precious captains of industry decided that they were also sick of government regulations, like labour and fair wage laws, and decided to use their justly earned fortunes to employ cheap workers overseas free from government tyranny. Turns out that we mere commoners won't be able to rise to glory in the wake of these mighty towers of will Rand, because it's cheaper to pay some chinamen a pittance instead.

 

[RepQuest]

Objectivism is, ironically, rather authoritarian. For example, decrying charity on the part of givers. It's very hypocritical of an ideology based around free will to denounce acts of free will.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I don't understand why Ayn Rand was supportive of the non agression principle