Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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Not gonna lie, I haven't watched any of the anime since season one, and have only been keeping up with the manga since chapter 58. It's why my knowledge, and memory of certain things is so spotty. I was tempted to watch season three just to see if they gave Kenny a southern accent, but I ultimately decided against it.

Something I just wanna say is that while I've heard that the anime does improve a lot of shit, judging from screenshots at least, I do know that there is one thing that they definitely made a fuckton worse. Burnt Armin. In the manga he just looks like a Zelda Redead, but in the anime he looks like a used piece of charcoal. Dude should have literally disintegrated the moment he hit the ground.
 
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Armin 100% would have been dead. He would have had full third degree burns, plus scalded lungs and windpipe which would cut off any air he would get. His lungs probably would have exploded from the pressure difference anyway. Not to mention dead from the fall. Lets put it this way: High pressure steam can reach 900 degrees Fahrenheit and produce pressure differentials of 2,500 psi per square inch. You're absolutely right. He should have disintegrated.

In an ultra edgelord anime that's not weird and tries to be 'hardcore' it sure does do author fiat a fuckton. I can forgive it in other anime, but AoT takes itself so seriously its kind of like 'this would never happen'.

I accept it in Jojo, because 'Bizarre' is in the title and a lot of it is done for stylistic and dramatic choices. But when you're pretending to be this grimdark crap, this forced drama gets old. And it happens. all. the. time.
 
In an ultra edgelord anime that's not weird and tries to be 'hardcore' it sure does do author fiat a fuckton. I can forgive it in other anime, but AoT takes itself so seriously its kind of like 'this would never happen'.
I feel like when you exclude the plot, this is what fundamentally ruined AoT. It broke its own world building. If you're going to have a story be taken at least even partially seriously, you need to have a consistent set of rules and guidelines for it to follow. You need to specify what your characters are. Are the they superhuman, or not? Are they just normal people? What are their limits? What can and can they not do? What is possible in this world, and what isn't?

These are extremely important things to keep in mind, and things that you can't just change out of nowhere. At least not without having some sort of foreshadowing, explanation, or other outside factor changing the status quo. And this is something Isayama just blatantly disregarded.

Here's the thing. Armin was just a normal human being. He wasn't a titan shifter. He wasn't an Ackerman. He was just a normal guy who happened to also be really smart. He didn't have any special powers. He wasn't a good fighter. Hell, he wasn't even all that durable prior to this. If anything, he was presumably less. Remember, this is the kid who somehow broke both his legs in fall despite only hitting the one.

What I'm getting at is Armin surviving all this shit is yet another event that utterly shattered both AoT's sense of reality, and its suspension of disbelief. Look, I can believe in giant humanoid creatures eating people. I can believe some people have the ability to shapeshift into these creatures, and that this ability also gives them other miscellaneous powers. I can believe in people zooming around on wildly impractical gas powered gear that would in all likelihood get them fucking killed in real life.

What I can't believe in is an established normal human being getting burnt literally to a crisp, falling at least forty feet, and surviving long enough for three situational dumbasses to squabble over the medicine in time to save him. Especially after other normal people in your series, including one of the main cast during this exact same time period, have died from things much, much less severe.

Isayama needs to remember that if he wants to have a "serious", and "realistic", and "grimdark", and all that bullshit series, he's got to be consistent with it. It has to follow an established status quo that can't just immediately be thrown out the window the moment he writes himself into a corner, or just gets bored.

Something that the author of Jojo, for all of his series' utter insanity, manages to do just fine.
 
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The new chapter's coming out in a few days, and I still don't think we'll see Levi or Hanji. I know I mentioned a few pages back that Levi surviving a blast that sent a guy into another dimension would make him even more OP af, but given the fact that Armin lived despite everything that happened to him, I feel like Levi surviving would almost be justified. Not excusing it, I'm just saying that having Levi not survive it would make Armin surviving even more cheap, and ridiculous. Think about it. He's Humanity's Strongest, and also an Ackerman. He's gotta be more durable than Armin, right?

Right?

What I'm saying is that this series has gotten to a point where I can't definitively say whether or not a man can survive an explosion that ripped apart space and time.

Part of me vainly hopes that Isayama is either going to nut-up, and just kill Levi, or is going for the long con and is gonna have him survive the initial blast only to die from infection or drowning.

I mean, I know it's not gonna happen, but I can dream.
 
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The new chapter's coming out in a few days, and I still don't think we'll see Levi or Hanji. I know I mentioned a few pages back that Levi surviving a blast that sent a guy into another dimension would make him even more OP af, but given the fact that Armin lived despite everything that happened to him, I feel like Levi surviving would almost be justified. Not excusing it, I'm just saying that having Levi not survive it would make Armin surviving even more cheap, and ridiculous. Think about it. He's Humanity's Strongest, and also an Ackerman. He's gotta be more durable than Armin, right?

Right?

What I'm saying is that this series has gotten to a point where I can't definitively say whether or not a man can survive an explosion that ripped apart space and time.

Part of me vainly hopes that Isayama is either going to nut-up, and just kill Levi, or is going for the long con and is gonna have him survive the initial blast only to die from infection or drowning.

I mean, I know it's not gonna happen, but I can dream.

Isayama doesn't have the fucking balls. His entire audience wants to fuck Levi and he's basically the only character holding the manga together.

He just got exploded because he needed to nerf him. He also needed a reason to take Levi out of action. The problem is there's really no one likeable left. The main cast has largely been ruined, including Eren whose motivation has been a mystery for literal years. He has given barely any hints. We JUST found Zekes motivation and he's been behaving like a metal gear solid villain, except without Kojima's loveable insanity. Kojima makes crazy, plot heavy shit but it has characters you like. What does AoT have? Protagonists who have entirely hidden goals from the audience for years, making no fucking sense. Their characterization is completely and utterly fucked.

He tried to force people to like the Nazis and all of them were basically roundly rejected. 90% of AoT fans focus on the main cast. Isyama likes spiting them for rejecting them.

I am going to laugh my ass off when he reintroduces Annie only to have her be cracked open and eaten by the Jaws Titan. AoT fans deserve it.

I feel like when you exclude the plot, this is what fundamentally ruined AoT. It broke its own world building. If you're going to have a story be taken at least even partially seriously, you need to have a consistent set of rules and guidelines for it to follow. You need to specify what your characters are. Are the they superhuman, or not? Are they just normal people? What are their limits? What can and can they not do? What is possible in this world, and what isn't?

These are extremely important things to keep in mind, and things that you can't just change out of nowhere. At least not without having some sort of foreshadowing, explanation, or other outside factor changing the status quo. And this is something Isayama just blatantly disregarded.

Here's the thing. Armin was just a normal human being. He wasn't a titan shifter. He wasn't an Ackerman. He was just a normal guy who happened to also be really smart. He didn't have any special powers. He wasn't a good fighter. Hell, he wasn't even all that durable prior to this. If anything, he was presumably less. Remember, this is the kid who somehow broke both his legs in fall despite only hitting the one.

What I'm getting at is Armin surviving all this shit is yet another event that utterly shattered both AoT's sense of reality, and its suspension of disbelief. Look, I can believe in giant humanoid creatures eating people. I can believe some people have the ability to shapeshift into these creatures, and that this ability also gives them other miscellaneous powers. I can believe in people zooming around on wildly impractical gas powered gear that would in all likelihood get them fucking killed in real life.

What I can't believe in is an established normal human being getting burnt literally to a crisp, falling at least forty feet, and surviving long enough for three situational dumbasses to squabble over the medicine in time to save him. Especially after other normal people in your series, including one of the main cast during this exact same time period, have died from things much, much less severe.

Isayama needs to remember that if he wants to have a "serious", and "realistic", and "grimdark", and all that bullshit series, he's got to be consistent with it. It has to follow an established status quo that can't just immediately be thrown out the window the moment he writes himself into a corner, or just gets bored.

Something that the author of Jojo, for all of his series' utter insanity, manages to do just fine.

Isayma has done this tons of times. It's all about breaking the rules of his world. Thunder Spears too. Their explosions have always been inconsistent. Nor does it make any fucking sense for Levi to be perfectly comfortable next to a live explosive. If anything, it'd be an empty shell, the trigger letting Levi know if he was pulling anything and then just insta kill him.

The characters are as smart or as stupid as Isayama needs them to be. There's no internal consistency and at this point all the characters are just vehicles. They exist solely to move forward an incomprehensible plot that he continues to hide for pretty much no reason.

If you think about it, JoJo has a lot of rules but they're all simple:

Stands are a measure of your strength of will and psychology. The stronger this is, the stronger the Stand.

If your Stand dies, you die.

You cannot have more than one Stand.

You can be born with a Stand or acquire one.

Stands can be used by anything living. Stands without an owner are rare.

The stronger the Stand, the less its range.

The weaker the Stand, the longer its range.

Weak stands can become stronger as the owner moves closer.

Even if you kill a Stand far from its user, the user still dies.

You can eliminate a Stand by killing it or its user.

Only a Stand can kill a Stand, but a Stand can kill a human.

Non-Stand users cannot see Stands with the exception of powerful ones which can be objects or even a humanoid Stand.

Stand's sentience is varied and reflects the nature of the Stand and the subconscious of the user.

Stands are attracted to each other and Stand users will eventually meet each other, no matter the distance. This plays into Jojo's themes of fate and will.

Part 6 suffered because Araki was at his lowest creatively, ending a series that ran since the 80s and the ending was basically incomprehensible and you had to interpret it yourself (most people interpret it as a good end, as pure nihilism is not Jojo's style and does not fit with any of the manga or anime. Though even for Jojo it is unquestionably brutal). It makes me wonder how the anime is going to tackle it, since part 6 is the least liked of JoJo in Japan and the Anime is basically fan service.

Sorry I ended up talking Jojo, but it's got more heart, style, substance, story than AoT.

I was happy when Armin didn't die initially, but it felt off. I think thats when the series started to lose its edge and become meh. Armin getting roasted was enough, but the fall after being roasted and him still being alive was too much.

Isamaya needs to go back to storytelling 101.

This implies he knows how the fuck to tell a story and characterization by keeping the main protagonist and antagonist's plans hidden for years and making nobody likeable.
 
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If your Stand dies, you die.

 

If I remember correctly, Red Hot Chili Pepper didn't die, it got on the boat but was severely weakened.
 
Well the final season of the anime is coming next year in the Fall 2020 season. So it's probably assumed the manga will end sometime this year or next year. Otherwise this will be a FMA Brotherhood situation where the manga is finished during the final season.
 
Well the final season of the anime is coming next year in the Fall 2020 season. So it's probably assumed the manga will end sometime this year or next year. Otherwise this will be a FMA Brotherhood situation where the manga is finished during the final season.
Except comparing Aot and FMA is like comparing autism to efficiency. Lot of people will end up disappointed by the ending either way, but it will be funny to see all the salt on reddit.
 
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Given the fact that the anime has patched up a lot of the problems with the manga, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do the same thing with season four. Frankly, I'd be shocked if they didn't, and just let it go as it is.
 
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Given the fact that the anime has patched up a lot of the problems with the manga, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do the same thing with season four. Frankly, I'd be shocked if they didn't, and just let it go as it is.

I haven't been watching, what's been fixed?


Just wanted to update this, I re-watched the ep, Red Hot Chili Pepper didn't die, he made it to the boat and wasn't killed in the ocean, so the rule still stands (See what I did there?)

Well the final season of the anime is coming next year in the Fall 2020 season. So it's probably assumed the manga will end sometime this year or next year. Otherwise this will be a FMA Brotherhood situation where the manga is finished during the final season.

If the final season is in the fall, they're going to cut a lot of shit out. Which is a good thing
 
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I haven't been watching, what's been fixed?
From what I've heard, they cut out a lot of filler during the Krista is Royalty arc, expanded on other characters or toned them down, (the former most notably being Kenny, and the latter being Levi, who is just slightly less violent) switched certain events around so they make more sense, (the biggest example being the reveal that Ymir the person was worshiped as a goddess) and in general have just handled a select numbers of scenes much better.

Keep in mind this all is just relayed to me from a friend who is still watching the series, so I can't really say for sure if this is all true.

When it comes to the anime handling the KoM arc, I'm not expecting them to completely fix it. I mean, you can't really unless rewrite the entire thing, but the one change I'm willing to bet on is them making the actual citizens of the KoM more sympathetic, or at least not having them being such a blatant analogue for Nazis.

Honestly, I'll be stunned if they don't at least try to do that much. If they just try to play it straight from the manga, it's going to be a disaster.
 
Isayama doesn't have the fucking balls. His entire audience wants to fuck Levi and he's basically the only character holding the manga together.

He just got exploded because he needed to nerf him. He also needed a reason to take Levi out of action. The problem is there's really no one likeable left. The main cast has largely been ruined, including Eren whose motivation has been a mystery for literal years. He has given barely any hints. We JUST found Zekes motivation and he's been behaving like a metal gear solid villain, except without Kojima's loveable insanity. Kojima makes crazy, plot heavy shit but it has characters you like. What does AoT have? Protagonists who have entirely hidden goals from the audience for years, making no fucking sense. Their characterization is completely and utterly fucked.

He tried to force people to like the Nazis and all of them were basically roundly rejected. 90% of AoT fans focus on the main cast. Isyama likes spiting them for rejecting them.

I am going to laugh my ass off when he reintroduces Annie only to have her be cracked open and eaten by the Jaws Titan. AoT fans deserve it.



Isayma has done this tons of times. It's all about breaking the rules of his world. Thunder Spears too. Their explosions have always been inconsistent. Nor does it make any fucking sense for Levi to be perfectly comfortable next to a live explosive. If anything, it'd be an empty shell, the trigger letting Levi know if he was pulling anything and then just insta kill him.

The characters are as smart or as stupid as Isayama needs them to be. There's no internal consistency and at this point all the characters are just vehicles. They exist solely to move forward an incomprehensible plot that he continues to hide for pretty much no reason.

If you think about it, JoJo has a lot of rules but they're all simple:

Stands are a measure of your strength of will and psychology. The stronger this is, the stronger the Stand.

If your Stand dies, you die.

You cannot have more than one Stand.

You can be born with a Stand or acquire one.

Stands can be used by anything living. Stands without an owner are rare.

The stronger the Stand, the less its range.

The weaker the Stand, the longer its range.

Weak stands can become stronger as the owner moves closer.

Even if you kill a Stand far from its user, the user still dies.

You can eliminate a Stand by killing it or its user.

Only a Stand can kill a Stand, but a Stand can kill a human.

Non-Stand users cannot see Stands with the exception of powerful ones which can be objects or even a humanoid Stand.

Stand's sentience is varied and reflects the nature of the Stand and the subconscious of the user.

Stands are attracted to each other and Stand users will eventually meet each other, no matter the distance. This plays into Jojo's themes of fate and will.

Part 6 suffered because Araki was at his lowest creatively, ending a series that ran since the 80s and the ending was basically incomprehensible and you had to interpret it yourself (most people interpret it as a good end, as pure nihilism is not Jojo's style and does not fit with any of the manga or anime. Though even for Jojo it is unquestionably brutal). It makes me wonder how the anime is going to tackle it, since part 6 is the least liked of JoJo in Japan and the Anime is basically fan service.

Sorry I ended up talking Jojo, but it's got more heart, style, substance, story than AoT.



This implies he knows how the fuck to tell a story and characterization by keeping the main protagonist and antagonist's plans hidden for years and making nobody likeable.
Here's the thing about Jojo's as compared to AOT.

I started out hating both series and ended up liking them for different reasons.

As for AOT I hated season one. It just seemed like a lot of try hard shock deaths and over the top unearned drama. However season two made small improvements and fleshed out the characters making them gradually more relateable and likeable and season three expanded upon that and coupled with the mystery aspect I'm hooked.

As for Jojo's I started with Phantom Blood and thought it was really dumb and way too over the top, kept watching it to see if it got better. It poisoned me and I started to like it for it's oddball charm. I love Phantom Blood now. Season two comes along and I loved it because it didn't take itself too seriously but knew when to play serious to an extent. Stardust Crusaders was terrible and you should feel terrible... but I kinda like it... Kill me...Please someone kill me..
 
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From what I've heard, they cut out a lot of filler during the Krista is Royalty arc, expanded on other characters or toned them down, (the former most notably being Kenny, and the latter being Levi, who is just slightly less violent) switched certain events around so they make more sense, (the biggest example being the reveal that Ymir the person was worshiped as a goddess) and in general have just handled a select numbers of scenes much better.

Keep in mind this all is just relayed to me from a friend who is still watching the series, so I can't really say for sure if this is all true.

When it comes to the anime handling the KoM arc, I'm not expecting them to completely fix it. I mean, you can't really unless rewrite the entire thing, but the one change I'm willing to bet on is them making the actual citizens of the KoM more sympathetic, or at least not having them being such a blatant analogue for Nazis.

Honestly, I'll be stunned if they don't at least try to do that much. If they just try to play it straight from the manga, it's going to be a disaster.

I can confirm some of the changes as the Uprising Arc had less political drama compared to the manga and improved Kenny's character greatly. Levi choking out Historia was also left out of the anime though I guess it had to do with rearranging events due to Historia willingly wanting to become a Queen. The Uprising Arc had many changes due to Isayama himself not really liking it much which got salt from some of the AOT fans who compared him to George Lucas due to what the anime adaptation did when it was airing.

I can see the anime making the Marley citizens more sympathetic as it would improve the story though I guess Isayama wanted to focus on making the Warriors sympathetic then which is understandable as they're all child soldiers forced into fighting with the promise of helping their families stay safe.
 
I basically stopped watching the anime after they wasted an entire episode just fucking around in the basement where nothing happens.

Here's the thing about Jojo's as compared to AOT.

I started out hating both series and ended up liking them for different reasons.

As for AOT I hated season one. It just seemed like a lot of try hard shock deaths and over the top unearned drama. However season two made small improvements and fleshed out the characters making them gradually more relateable and likeable and season three expanded upon that and coupled with the mystery aspect I'm hooked.

As for Jojo's I started with Phantom Blood and thought it was really dumb and way too over the top, kept watching it to see if it got better. It poisoned me and I started to like it for it's oddball charm. I love Phantom Blood now. Season two comes along and I loved it because it didn't take itself too seriously but knew when to play serious to an extent. Stardust Crusaders was terrible and you should feel terrible... but I kinda like it... Kill me...Please someone kill me..

Got you covered fam


Stardust Crusaders Terrible? Well, there are consequences, you could ask for forgiveness to your sins from JoJo fans.

 
Here's the thing. Armin was just a normal human being. He wasn't a titan shifter. He wasn't an Ackerman. He was just a normal guy who happened to also be really smart. He didn't have any special powers. He wasn't a good fighter. Hell, he wasn't even all that durable prior to this. If anything, he was presumably less. Remember, this is the kid who somehow broke both his legs in fall despite only hitting the one.
This is probably why I don’t care for Armin at all. I didn’t mind it when the series became less grounded but he stayed ordinary while the others had their crazy grim dark powers and backstories revealed so he became boring on top of being a bit insufferable. I thought he was a prime target to die at some point as he was less and less relevant, then that arc came and I thought "here’s a good time for him to exit stage". And he doesn’t. Now he’s taken someone else’s iconic Titan and is he even the smart one anymore? I haven’t been keeping up with the manga lately but it’s hard to believe he’s supposed to be Erwin’s true galaxy brain successor when we’ve got dozens more characters scheming and plotting the pants off Machiavelli. I hope the coconut dies.
 
AHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED HOLY SHIT

Gabi blows Eren's head off with a fucking .50 cal are you fucking kidding me? Isayama do you have a masturbation fetish for this child? You've got ten million Nazis on the battlefield but its COMPLETELY clear except for this ONE child who has this PERFECT shot, with all this fucking complete and utter chaos going on around her and manages to not piss herself or have the shot go wildly off target for firing a fucking .50 cal rifle.

ALSO SHE IS LIKE A 30 POUND CHILD FIRING A 30 POUND RIFLE WITH HER EYE NEXT TO THE SCOPE. HER ARM WOULD BE RIPPED OFF AND THE SCOPE EMBEDDED IN HER FACE. WE LITERALLY JUST HAD THE 'REALISIM' AND 'GRIMDARK' CONVERSATION. NONE OF YOUR SHIT IS BELIEVABLE. I believe in fucking foo fighters more than I believe in anything in Attack on Titan. I accept a sentient colony of plankton possessing a dead lady that has a psychic ghost that murders people than anything your manga can provide me.

You couldn't have like 30 randos just gun him down? Its fucking comical. Seriously. His head goes spinning towards Zeke like a fucking baseball, its fucking hilariously bad. Like nigger, Zeke got blown up into another dimension and has his cock remade by a God-child, do you seriously expect people to buy your cliffhangers at this point? Why are you still doing this? Who in the fuck is this for? Did you plant the baseball references so Zeke can catch Eren's fucking head and go 'perfect game'? How many times has Reiner had his consciousness shifted up his own asshole to survive miraculously? I cannot respect anyone who un-ironically enjoys this shit anymore. Like, its not believable if Eren is alive and it isn't believable if Eren is dead. He's violated his own laws so many times it can be anything. This is Schrodinger's story right now.

These are seriously, Game of Thrones level Season 8 cliffhanger levels we're approaching. Like, its beyond hilarious at how bad its gotten. Isayama is fucking with people at this point. There's no way he isn't. This is just a joke right now.

This is literally, literally more fucktarded than Jojo part 6 if it were combined with Parts 1 and Parts 8 with no explanation and out of order. I never want to hear the words 'weird' and 'outlandish' associated with Jojo ever again while Attack on Titan fucking exists. After seeing this, no fucking wonder they're running towards the last season of the anime full fucking tilt. Wiz Studios looked at this chapter and went:


For that exact amount of time. And Jojo in a year or two is either going to be magnificent, a cluster-fuck or a magnificent cluster-fuck. We'll always have 1-5 (bless part 5). Attack on Titan will always be fucking re.tarded.

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Raw leaks if you want to see this unbelievable mess for yourself. I'm still editing this shit 30 minutes later just trying to comprehend this fucking absurdity. I'm still struggling with this guys, fucking seriously:
 
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