Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Secret Asshole]

OH GOD THEY TOOK AFTER THE MANGA'S STYLE.

Holy shit it just looks bad to me. If one thing AoT had going for it was that it was pretty. It just looks ugly now.

I'll never stop being amused, amazed, and utterly baffled by how AoT has literally turned itself into an AU fanfic. Like, I'm looking at old memes, parodies, and fanart, and they've aged so poorly it's like they're not even from the same series. It's so jarring it doesn't even feel real sometimes.

I keep getting YouTube recommendations for videos gushing about how "genius" this series is, and every one of them just makes me wanna blow my brains out.

I just wanna grab the person, and say "Look me in the eye and tell me that time-travel, genocide, and global bigotry against a single race all because a little girl let out some pigs over two-thousand years ago is genius. Do it. Tell me."

You kind of can't, because for basically the first third of it, it was a horror story. Now, it doesn't even resemble what it once was and has no real indications of what it was previously.

People still think its a good and coherent narrative. It isn't. It is incoherent. It makes no fucking sense and large swathes of it are rendered irrelevant and a waste of time because of future events. Everything in a narrative holds meaning. Not so in AoT. Its fucking stupid. Tell me that Gabi's story matters right now. It doesn't. It was a pointless waste of time, every second spent with her. Her existence on serves to spur on Eren's story. That's about it. How much pointless shit was here in this story? Historia? Doesn't matter. Will never matter. Eren's motives? Speculation was actually a total waste of time, he was just going to kill everyone anyway. Annie? Why is she even here? Great, she can turn hard and punch things real good. That works against a living God and his army of Titans as tall as a fucking sky-scraper. Also the Ackergenes basically killing what little development Mikasa had.

I STILL can't believe, after all this fucking time, Eren's genius plan was just to fucking kill everyone (For which he saw in the future and said WAS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL in the chat with his dad and shit. Like Jesus christ, calm the fuck down you absolute sociopath. Did you picture a throne of skinned skulls or something and got a hardon?) instead of some genius maneuver and Isayama has to do a flash back (the best technique in all of story telling you know) to just 'explain' this in one chapter how he basically decided to ROFLTSTOMP another continent flat. Oh, and how Eren's plan goes 'JUST AS PLANNED' (until it won't).

Captured? No problem, I can escape anytime I want.
Genius older brother? Easily fool his dumb ass.
Head blown the fuck off? Not a big deal, IDGAF.
Convince a literal God to listen to you and only you without any hint otherwise? Can do.
Become a living God that controls time and space? (insert some inevitable dumb shit that will stop him or some serious Code Geass ripoff shit, 'I have to pay with my sins with my death and will make world peace by making everyone hate me more')

I will respect this series if Eren wins. He just stomps the other continent flat and just spews hatred at all his friends as he dies and laughs as everything is on fucking fire. Then he looks at them, going with some Judge Holden shit. "I am the Devil, and I will never truly die." And he just laughs among the corpses as he chokes on his own blood. Give me that ending please. That's the AoT ending I want. Just have Eren be the incarnation of pure hatred, no bullshit, no twists, no 'I want to unite people'. Just unabashed, full-fledged hate. I don't care if its rationalized as his mind eaten by the Attack Titan or some dumb nihilistic shit like that, completely removing a character's agency and development (all of it is bad as justification).

I want to see that. Just the birth of a God of Hatred. Or just have him kill anyone in his fucking way. Mikasa, Jean, Armin. all of them. And the series just ends with Paradis utterly fucking terrified of the dormant living God just sitting on a throne of bones that was everyone on the other continent. I'd give Isayama props for having the balls to go all the way. Eren's already gone pure scorched Earth with all of his relationships and friendships, which he apparently never gave two fucks about. Lets have it go the next step.

However, I don't expect this. I fully expect about 6-8 months of more filler, followed by some stupid bullshit, and then maybe an ending. Possibly. Whatever the ending will be, it will be a let down. And I expect the ending to be as equally as pointless as all of the shit that came before. I'll laugh my ass off if it just ends in a time loop. The amount of brainlets who will consider that genius would be amazing.

That being said, Attack on Titan: Before the Fall is superior in every single way to Attack on Titan. It has world-building that makes sense, character development, a purposeful narrative, is entertaining, is dark without being nihilistic, its everything Attack on Titan wants to be, but better. The entire series should just be handed to the guy that wrote that.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

Have either of you bought merch from this show then? I'm glad I didn't because I'd probably cry/rage if I had a Survey Corps jacket lying around to remind me of how things used to be like.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Have either of you bought merch from this show then? I'm glad I didn't because I'd probably cry/rage if I had a Survey Corps jacket lying around to remind me of how things used to be like.

I have two shirts, only because when I bought the first one the site shipped me the wrong size, so they sent me another one after I sent them an email explaining what had happened, and they didn't require me to send back the first, and I have a wallet that I never use.

I also have a poster, but that was something my mom got for me well after I started hating the series. I might also have Eren's key, but I cannot for the life of me remember because it's been literal years since I've last seen it lying around, and it might've just been the wallet's chain.

Lastly, my friends got me a Levi plushie for Christmas as a joke, and we were planning on tying it to a bottle rocket, and blowing it up this year on the 4th of July, but judging by how this year is going, we might not be able to do that.

 

[Tim Buckley]

I want to see that. Just the birth of a God of Hatred. Or just have him kill anyone in his fucking way. Mikasa, Jean, Armin. all of them. And the series just ends with Paradis utterly fucking terrified of the dormant living God just sitting on a throne of bones that was everyone on the other continent. I'd give Isayama props for having the balls to go all the way. Eren's already gone pure scorched Earth with all of his relationships and friendships, which he apparently never gave two fucks about. Lets have it go the next step.

Well it's basically confirmed that this is not going to happen, that was the point of this flashback.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I will respect this series if Eren wins. He just stomps the other continent flat and just spews hatred at all his friends as he dies and laughs as everything is on fucking fire. Then he looks at them, going with some Judge Holden shit. "I am the Devil, and I will never truly die." And he just laughs among the corpses as he chokes on his own blood. Give me that ending please. That's the AoT ending I want. Just have Eren be the incarnation of pure hatred, no bullshit, no twists, no 'I want to unite people'. Just unabashed, full-fledged hate. I don't care if its rationalized as his mind eaten by the Attack Titan or some dumb nihilistic shit like that, completely removing a character's agency and development (all of it is bad as justification).

I want to see that. Just the birth of a God of Hatred. Or just have him kill anyone in his fucking way. Mikasa, Jean, Armin. all of them. And the series just ends with Paradis utterly fucking terrified of the dormant living God just sitting on a throne of bones that was everyone on the other continent. I'd give Isayama props for having the balls to go all the way. Eren's already gone pure scorched Earth with all of his relationships and friendships, which he apparently never gave two fucks about. Lets have it go the next step.

I'm gonna be completely honest.

If you got rid of every stupid thing that has happened in this arc, the time-travel, the pigs, etc, and if everything Isayama had been doing was planned, and 100% intentional, what you're proposing would've been a fantastic ending.

If it does happen, it'll still be good, and I'd have to given Isayama respect for actually doing it, but it would be nowhere great as it could've been.

Eren's entire character has led up to this. He's been a runaway train that no one has attempted to stop until it was too late. In fact, everyone has been doing the exact opposite, teaching a man who was born with an insane bloodlust to be even more bloodthirsty and to solve all his problems with violence.

Paraphrasing, but Levi told Eren when he was assaulting him in the courtroom that "pain is the best form of teaching",
and now look at what's happened. The man that was supposed to be his mentor never tried to teach to control his anger and his bloodlust. He only encouraged it and did the exact same thing he did. All he taught him was to be a violent sociopath like him. The only difference is that Eren was already born naturally violent, and angry so it made everything a million times worse.

It's not just Levi. It's everyone else, too. The more I look at it, everyone failed Eren. No one tried to get him to stop. No one tried to help him overcome his disturbing behavior. Everyone either ignored the signs or took advantage of them, and made them worse to help their cause.

And I gotta say with absolute sincerity that this would've been one of the greatest tragedies, and stories I've ever read if it was intentional and if you got rid of everything else.

It would've been one of the best character studies of all time and would've shown what happens when you take a man who was born with violent tendencies, traumatize him immensely, do nothing to help him, and do everything to make him worse, and then what happens when society can no longer control him.

It would've been a timeless story and would've been praised for its striking social commentary, and would've been regarded as one of the best manga series of all time.

Instead, it ended up being a maniac's poorly-written, poorly-drawn, racist, nihilistic, sociopathic, sci-fi, GoT, WWII, revenge fantasy.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Well it's basically confirmed that this is not going to happen, that was the point of this flashback.
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Are they doing the "Eren really, really cares about his fwends" thing? Because damn, I can feel the whiplash rip my head clean off like an anti-tank round.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Didn't Eren said he doesn't before? Make up your mind Isayama!

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Didn't Eren say he doesn't before? Make up your mind Isayama!

No, you don't get it! He's lying to them because he cares so much! He's giving people who already suffered an untold amount of heartbreak, and trauma even more heartbreak and trauma to spare them from other heartbreak and trauma!

 

[armoreddinnerjacket]

Eren being a violent sociopath worked when it was all directed at the Titans. Now that he's figured out who the real enemy is, not so much. No one's going to try to fix the killing machine when it was killing the monsters threatening all of humanity, and now it's far too late.

I'd actually be satisfied if Eren kills everyone except the main cast. He can be a genocidal maniac and still have a select few that he doesn't want to kill.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'd actually be satisfied if Eren kills everyone except the main cast. He can be a genocidal maniac and still have a select few that he doesn't want to kill.

I partially disagree with this. I want him to either kill literally everyone or if he doesn't and just spares the main cast, I want them to continue to be completely disgusted and horrified by what he's done and refuse to associate with him ever again.

Anything else would just be a cop-out to me.

 

[armoreddinnerjacket]

I'm good with them disassociating from him, give us some meaningful drama at long last.

I'm just burned out on how badly everyone (even the islanders) have been portrayed. It would be like trying to reform Nazi vamps out of Helsing at the end of the story. Just, no.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'm just mad that Isayama had a great story, and could've had an even greater story if he just wasn't such a hateful sped.

Also, that this is a really cool picture, and it's wasted upon such a bullshit stupid series like this.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Isayama is incompetent, doesn't know what he wanted to do with the story, and had to conjure most of it up because he didn't plan shit. Like I said, how much of the stuff that came before REALLY matters? Everything in narratives should have a purpose. What was the purpose of devoting all that time to Historia and Gabi? There really wasn't. Gabi is basically just a character that replaced a better one and serves little point to advance the plot except to blow Eren's head off, which he doesn't even care all that much about. Historia? No romantic tension or drama, just...really, who gives a shit right now. The world is ending and we're supposed to care about an episode of Maury.

Well it's basically confirmed that this is not going to happen, that was the point of this flashback.
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Jesus, I can't keep half of this dumb bullshit straight anymore, its so fucking contradictory. So he says this, and then drags them all into a war and subsequent genocide. While basically then calling all of them pussies and to stay out of his way. Genius.

I'm gonna be completely honest.

If you got rid of every stupid thing that has happened in this arc, the time-travel, the pigs, etc, and if everything Isayama had been doing was planned, and 100% intentional, what you're proposing would've been a fantastic ending.

If it does happen, it'll still be good, and I'd have to given Isayama respect for actually doing it, but it would be nowhere great as it could've been.

Eren's entire character has led up to this. He's been a runaway train that no one has attempted to stop until it was too late. In fact, everyone has been doing the exact opposite, teaching a man who was born with an insane bloodlust to be even more bloodthirsty and to solve all his problems with violence.

Paraphrasing, but Levi told Eren when he was assaulting him in the courtroom that "pain is the best form of teaching",
and now look at what's happened. The man that was supposed to be his mentor never tried to teach to control his anger and his bloodlust. He only encouraged it and did the exact same thing he did. All he taught him was to be a violent sociopath like him. The only difference is that Eren was already born naturally violent, and angry so it made everything a million times worse.

It's not just Levi. It's everyone else, too. The more I look at it, everyone failed Eren. No one tried to get him to stop. No one tried to help him overcome his disturbing behavior. Everyone either ignored the signs or took advantage of them, and made them worse to help their cause.

And I gotta say with absolute sincerity that this would've been one of the greatest tragedies, and stories I've ever read if it was intentional and if you got rid of everything else.

It would've been one of the best character studies of all time and would've shown what happens when you take a man who was born with violent tendencies, traumatize him immensely, do nothing to help him, and do everything to make him worse, and then what happens when society can no longer control him.

It would've been a timeless story and would've been praised for its striking social commentary, and would've been regarded as one of the best manga series of all time.

Instead, it ended up being a maniac's poorly-written, poorly-drawn, racist, nihilistic, sociopathic, sci-fi, GoT, WWII, revenge fantasy.

That would be the best message to go with. You don't need all the other dumb shit around it. The problem is the story has been utterly destroyed. So to me, there is no point in going anywhere else.

Obviously, manipulating a hateful kid's emotions to your evil benefit and then having it backfire would be a good story. The protagonist wasn't helped out. He was carefully crafted into a monster and then decided to take up that role. It would be an obvious tragedy, but its really just....ugh. The amount of fat you'd have to cut and the shit you'd have to change.

Its a thousand times better than what it is right now. But yeah, nobody tried stopping Eren. Mikasa's half-hearted attempts (just get rid of the Ackergenes shit, like how much agency are you going to take away from this poor girl to explain your shit writing) just aren't enough. Or just have Mikiasa isolated from him 'for the greater good'.

Have either of you bought merch from this show then? I'm glad I didn't because I'd probably cry/rage if I had a Survey Corps jacket lying around to remind me of how things used to be like.

Nope. lol at the anime fans who are going to have to justify this as a work of 'genius' because they spent so much time and money on this.

I partially disagree with this. I want him to either kill literally everyone or if he doesn't and just spares the main cast, I want them to continue to be completely disgusted and horrified by what he's done and refuse to associate with him ever again.

Anything else would just be a cop-out to me.

Yeah, same. I honestly would prefer it if he just killed everyone. But we know this isn't going to happen. I would put money on a Code Geass ending where Eren was like 'lol, I was just pretending to be evil bro, I just let you win and now everyone can hold hands and sing hymns. I cured racism by causing the apocalypse, a war and mass murder'.

Like, if he's not pretending, how do you stop him? What, you're going to talk him out of it? When his plan has been to just fucking murder an entire continent are you going to get through to him with the power of friendship? Or is Isayama going to go full retard and have godzilla battles on the other continent with Eren holding back the skycraper titans because of his 'honor'?

There's no rectifying this without either: Eren winning or massive bullshit. Those are the two options you have.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Eren being a violent sociopath worked when it was all directed at the Titans. Now that he's figured out who the real enemy is, not so much. No one's going to try to fix the killing machine when it was killing the monsters threatening all of humanity, and now it's far too late.

I'd actually be satisfied if Eren kills everyone except the main cast. He can be a genocidal maniac and still have a select few that he doesn't want to kill.

I can see it now, the final scene of the anime:

Eren wakes up on a beach, calling back to simpler times when their only dream was to see the ocean. Except now, the seas are red with the blood of the billions of lives he claimed - Titan or human, Eldian or Marleyan, friend and foe alike. Petrified titans stand in the water, arms outstretched - all that remains of his conquering army; and far out on the horizon, the decaying head of a colossal titan, the largest ever created - a last-ditch (and ultimately futile) effort to stop Eren’s rampage.

As he reflects on what he’s done, he turns his head, revealing Mikasa on the beach beside him - the only one he could not bring himself to kill, the one person he put his own life on the line to protect. Realizing that he’s doomed her to a future worse than death, he straddles her body and starts to strangle her, painfully trying to finally finish the job he’d started. This causes her to wake up, but instead of struggling, she reaches out her arm and caresses his cheek. This apparent act of affection causes him to break down in tears. In response to all of this - the genocide, Eren’s actions, the completely wrecked world, and the clusterfuck of bad writing she had to endure, she responds with the only thing that comes to her mind:

“How disgusting”.

The screen fades to black.

 

[armoreddinnerjacket]

Oof, now I'm getting Shinji vibes here. Eren was never that bad, at the very least.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Oof, now I'm getting Shinji vibes here. Eren was never that bad, at the very least.

He's literally declared that he's going to end racism by killing every other race.

I think he is.

 

[armoreddinnerjacket]

He's literally declared that he's going to end racism by killing every other race.

I think he is.

Wasn't that bad. We are no longer confined by the need for good writing or consistent characterization.

The more I think about it, the more the nihilistic "Eren destroys everything" ending makes sense given Eren's character and what we've been shown of the world. If you want to hit me over the head with non-stop grimdark and assholery, then don't pull a "we need to come together" BS happy ending.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Eren being a violent sociopath worked when it was all directed at the Titans. Now that he's figured out who the real enemy is, not so much. No one's going to try to fix the killing machine when it was killing the monsters threatening all of humanity, and now it's far too late.

I'd actually be satisfied if Eren kills everyone except the main cast. He can be a genocidal maniac and still have a select few that he doesn't want to kill.

Some of you guys are alright. Don't go outside the walls tomorrow.

Isayama is incompetent, doesn't know what he wanted to do with the story, and had to conjure most of it up because he didn't plan shit. Like I said, how much of the stuff that came before REALLY matters? Everything in narratives should have a purpose. What was the purpose of devoting all that time to Historia and Gabi? There really wasn't. Gabi is basically just a character that replaced a better one and serves little point to advance the plot except to blow Eren's head off, which he doesn't even care all that much about. Historia? No romantic tension or drama, just...really, who gives a shit right now. The world is ending and we're supposed to care about an episode of Maury.



Jesus, I can't keep half of this dumb bullshit straight anymore, its so fucking contradictory. So he says this, and then drags them all into a war and subsequent genocide. While basically then calling all of them pussies and to stay out of his way. Genius.



That would be the best message to go with. You don't need all the other dumb shit around it. The problem is the story has been utterly destroyed. So to me, there is no point in going anywhere else.

Obviously, manipulating a hateful kid's emotions to your evil benefit and then having it backfire would be a good story. The protagonist wasn't helped out. He was carefully crafted into a monster and then decided to take up that role. It would be an obvious tragedy, but its really just....ugh. The amount of fat you'd have to cut and the shit you'd have to change.

Its a thousand times better than what it is right now. But yeah, nobody tried stopping Eren. Mikasa's half-hearted attempts (just get rid of the Ackergenes shit, like how much agency are you going to take away from this poor girl to explain your shit writing) just aren't enough. Or just have Mikiasa isolated from him 'for the greater good'.



Nope. lol at the anime fans who are going to have to justify this as a work of 'genius' because they spent so much time and money on this.



Yeah, same. I honestly would prefer it if he just killed everyone. But we know this isn't going to happen. I would put money on a Code Geass ending where Eren was like 'lol, I was just pretending to be evil bro, I just let you win and now everyone can hold hands and sing hymns. I cured racism by causing the apocalypse, a war and mass murder'.

Like, if he's not pretending, how do you stop him? What, you're going to talk him out of it? When his plan has been to just fucking murder an entire continent are you going to get through to him with the power of friendship? Or is Isayama going to go full retard and have godzilla battles on the other continent with Eren holding back the skycraper titans because of his 'honor'?

There's no rectifying this without either: Eren winning or massive bullshit. Those are the two options you have.

I keep forgetting the Ackerman genes bs, holy (lol)cow. There are so many ways that could be waved away, like some hypnosis psycho babble or the fact Mikasa and Eren's "relationship" could just be really, really unhealthy/toxic. Think "Heavenly Creatures", only without the"Imaginationland" crap. And even then, if they had it, they could infer he retroactively forces Mikasa to be his yes-girl through the time loop.

But I guess I'm putting too much of that thing they call "effort".

 

[Secret Asshole]

Readers: "Mikasa needs more characterization please."

Isayama: "Hoh?"

*creates Ackergenes and removes remaining characterization*

Readers: "Can Eren and Mikasa get together?"

Isayama: "Hoh?"

*Mikasa familyzones Eren for some reason, leading him to commit genocide out of massive blue balls and Mikasa's inability to read the room, even though she clearly wants Eren's dick from way earlier on*

I keep forgetting how much her character gets shit on through the series. Goddamn.

Some of you guys are alright. Don't go outside the walls tomorrow.


I keep forgetting the Ackerman genes bs, holy (lol)cow. There are so many ways that could be waved away, like some hypnosis psycho babble or the fact Mikasa and Eren's "relationship" could just be really, really unhealthy/toxic. Think "Heavenly Creatures", only without the"Imaginationland" crap. And even then, if they had it, they could infer he retroactively forces Mikasa to be his yes-girl through the time loop.

But I guess I'm putting too much of that thing they call "effort".

I mean, obviously the answer to go with is 'Mikasa and Eren have a really unhealthy, co-dependent relationship' not 'magical genes make Mikasa and Levi super loyal'. Its such a stupid concept. Just make them good fighters. You don't have to mystically explain it. Its a world where gigantic man-eating Titans exist and you cut them with big razor blades. You don't need to magic this out.

Mikasa saw her family get killed in front of her, its not that much of a stretch to have her be seriously co-dependent on Eren. Then there's the implication that this was 'planned' so that Eren would have a guardian (don't even get me started on that stupid shit).

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Wasn't that bad. We are no longer confined by the need for good writing or consistent characterization.

The more I think about it, the more the nihilistic "Eren destroys everything" ending makes sense given Eren's character and what we've been shown of the world. If you want to hit me over the head with non-stop grimdark and assholery, then don't pull a "we need to come together" BS happy ending.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I'm probably gonna have to say it in the future, but Eren going even more batshit insane and killing everyone has never been the problem. It's everything else in-story around it, and what leads up to it.

I keep forgetting the Ackerman genes bs, holy (lol)cow. There are so many ways that could be waved away, like some hypnosis psycho babble or the fact Mikasa and Eren's "relationship" could just be really, really unhealthy/toxic. Think "Heavenly Creatures", only without the"Imaginationland" crap. And even then, if they had it, they could infer he retroactively forces Mikasa to be his yes-girl through the time loop.

I fucking hate Ackergenes, and I hate what they did to my girl Mikasa even more. They robbed her of her agency, her personality, and her character development. Not to mention everyone in-story keeps yelling at her and treating her like shit for something that is neither her fault nor something that she has any control over.

Like Sasha before her, and up until recently, Connie, she has done literally nothing to deserve all the shit she gets.