Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Bunny Tracks]

Spoiler: well, this didn't age well

You know, the more I go back and try to reread this series, the more frustrated, annoyed, confused, and disappointed I get that things ended up as they did. This could've been a great set up, but instead it's just another example of wasted potential.

I'll say it again. Eren growing up to become the villain was a great idea that completely made sense. It's everything else along with it that completely ruined it.

 

[Syaoran Li]

What was Isayama smoking when he wrote the second half of Attack On Titan and can I have some of it?

 

[Secret Asshole]

What was Isayama smoking when he wrote the second half of Attack On Titan and can I have some of it?

Pure autism. Also he collects his fingernails in jars. He is not all there.

 

[Bender]

Pure autism. Also he collects his fingernails in jars. He is not all there.

Have you watched Mars of Destruction yet? It's even got a dubbed version which I haven't watched but I assume it will be as high-quality as the rest of the OVA. Just asking because you said you'd review it and I haven't seen your insightful analysis yet.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Pure autism. Also he collects his fingernails in jars. He is not all there.

I still think he's got something else wrong with him. No doubt he's a sperg, but I think he's also got something else going on that we don't even know about yet. I don't what exactly, but all I'm gonna say I wouldn't surprised if he winds up being arrested for assault, or weapons charges.

 

[Bender]

I still think he's got something else wrong with him. No doubt he's a sperg, but I think he's also got something else going on that we don't even know about yet. I don't what exactly, but all I'm gonna say I wouldn't surprised if he winds up being arrested for assault, or weapons charges.

Collecting his nails in a jar sounds more like OCD than something dangerous to the public, TBH.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

I mainly read AoT for the reasons I enjoyed Evangelion, i.e. for all the biohorror/monster movie shit. I only vaguely follow the human side of it because they burden it down with way the hell too many characters to effectively keep track of, and the politics part just feels like a slog to get through. The plot overall is a mixed bag but the monster designs are pretty properly unnerving. I'm still interested in seeing how they end up concluding it, even if(when, if we're being honest) it ends up making no sense. Isayama's a talented illustrator when he actually puts his mind to it, and he's good at making a real spectacle; that creepy draggy titan was properly messed up, and the giant walking ribcage accompanied by an army of weirdly proportioned muscle mannequins is more menacing than it has any right to be.

If he had someone with some writing chops wrangling his storyline a bit it while he focused on the visuals, it could be quite a bit better. Do manga artists always handle the writing and illustration solo, or is it just this guy? Either way, it seems like he's fallen prey to his own.. ambitious... writing,

 

[Secret Asshole]

Have you watched Mars of Destruction yet? It's even got a dubbed version which I haven't watched but I assume it will be as high-quality as the rest of the OVA. Just asking because you said you'd review it and I haven't seen your insightful analysis yet.

I know you want to torment me, and you seem to have discovered I'm a masochist, but I'll watch and review it.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

I only know AoT by reputation and reading this thread so my question is: Was there a reason for the second half of this manga to be a cluster fuck? Everyone praises it to high heavens but those guys seems to be on the anime side that didn't reach the cluster fuck part yet. I find it difficult to believe that Isayama just said fuck it and threw his golden goose under the bus because he's an ass.

Do manga artists always handle the writing and illustration solo, or is it just this guy?

Generally there's always one guy in charge: either solo or with assistants who draw backgrounds and such, but there are famous mangas that had different artist and writer (eg.: Death Note)

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I only know AoT by reputation and reading this thread so my question is: Was there a reason for the second half of this manga to be a cluster fuck? Everyone praises it to high heavens but those guys seems to be on the anime side that didn't reach the cluster fuck part yet. I find it difficult to believe that Isayama just said fuck it and threw his golden goose under the bus because he's an ass.

No. No, there was no reason. That's the biggest mystery of this entire series. None of this had to happen, and no one knows why it did. The most common theories for it are:

1. Isayama planned to end this at the ocean, but the publishers forced him to continue, and he's just lashing out.
2. Isayama wrote himself into a corner and has just been digging himself deeper and deeper ever since.
3. Isayama got tired of writing AoT and wanted to write something else, but the publishers wouldn't let him, and the latter half of AoT is Isayama's attempt at combining the series with the other story idea he wasn't allowed to officially do.
4. Something happened to make Isayama snap, and the second half of AoT is just the fallout of such an event.
5. This is just a darker repeat of what happened with Toriyama during the Buu Saga (ie-series becomes super popular, the editors back off because they think the author knows what's best, not realizing the author is a fucking sperg who needs to have a tard-wrangler with him, or else he and his story completely spirals out of control).

To be honest, I think it's all of the above.

If he had someone with some writing chops wrangling his storyline a bit it while he focused on the visuals, it could be quite a bit better. Do manga artists always handle the writing and illustration solo, or is it just this guy? Either way, it seems like he's fallen prey to his own.. ambitious... writing,

Isayama does all the work in regards to the story, and the art. He did have editors at one point, but one of them had a mental breakdown in a bathroom after seeing Sasha die (she was gonna die much earlier, but the editor's said meltdown is what saved her), and the other one killed his wife and is now in jail. I don't anything about his current editors, or if he even has any at the moment.

 

[Secret Asshole]

@Bender Holy fucking shit, that OVA was fucking hysterical. Its from the golden age of OVAs, where it packed in like 24 episodes of mecha anime into 20 minutes. The animation is so stilted, the camera has to move implying action. It is probably the worst animation I've ever seen and its only 20 fucking minutes. It is so stiff, and so stilted, its like they were getting dragged and dropped along the side of the screen. Scenes frequently transition with The characters act like they know what they're talking about, but its just basically total nonsense. I fucking laughed my ass off at the first scene where these girls are fighting the 'ancients' (whatever the fuck they're supposed to be, from Mars or something). I also have no idea why they all were high school girls. And its basically a 60 second staring contest before one of the girls just straight up gets her head blown off by a laser because they're all standing still. Then this 'badass' mech suit comes in and then gets his ass kicked almost immediately. It was fucking amazing. You get this shot of him being all bad-ass and then he's on the verge of dying in like 5 seconds. Like seriously, he was less effective than the girl's mock P90s.

Then there's the scene where the main character is getting beat by his dad because he was the only one to wear this special suit (which is only really special I assume because it guarantees getting your shit pushed in) and he didn't wanna do it. Because his dad only cared about the loser suit and not him. And let me tell you, this suit is not special at all. This substitutes for character development and he comes from some 'special family' and he's the only one who could wear it. Why? Who the fuck knows. He's pretend Shinji. Holy shit, it was hysterical. I've never laughed at a scene where a dad beats his son, so this anime has that special milestone.

The soundtrack is equally fucking hysterical as its basically just royalty free classical music that sounds like it was preformed by a high-school band at a discount. Not like, a good, private high-school band, but one in the inner city and they had no sheet music and there was only a a tape recorder. There's even fucking Ride of the Valkyries. It made me laugh.

The last fight, the protagonist gets his ass kicked (again) and gets handed a sniper rifle and kills the big bad. Let me stress, not once does the protagonist win a fight. Not that there are many in the 20 minute shit fest. In fact there's a total of about 2.

Now what does this have to do with AoT? Well, the ending. You see, it turns out, Humans came from Mars and actually invaded Earth! And the Martians are the real Earthlings! Its a literal 'You are the demons' ending. It makes no sense, has nothing to do with anything and typical of OVAs at the time. It kind of resonates with AoT by being a nonsense reveal that isn't foreshadowed in anything. I can't actually say it degrades the plot, because there isn't one.

I mean, it was so bad it was hilarious.

I only know AoT by reputation and reading this thread so my question is: Was there a reason for the second half of this manga to be a cluster fuck? Everyone praises it to high heavens but those guys seems to be on the anime side that didn't reach the cluster fuck part yet. I find it difficult to believe that Isayama just said fuck it and threw his golden goose under the bus because he's an ass.

You have to realize the second part was written before the anime aired. And its actually very simple: Isayama had no plan. He didn't know what was in the basement anymore than the readers did. Which is why he took his sweet ass time getting there. Basically, it then becomes some dumb ass WWII allegory because he has a huge chip on his shoulder and eventually pens himself into a corner because nothing is planned and characterization is completely discarded.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Isayama planned to end this at the ocean, but the publishers forced him to continue, and he's just lashing out.

I don't know much about the manga biz but how would publishers force him? They'd say "if you don't make more of this we wont publish your other works?"

Also:

You have to realize the second part was written before the anime aired. And its actually very simple: Isayama had no plan.

Other successful mangakas take massive hiatuses (eg.: Berserk) and no publisher seems to bat an eye in their cases, coudln't he just sat down for half a year and figure shit out? Then again if he's lashing out he probably doesnt give much of a shit at this point.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I don't know much about the manga biz but how would publishers force him? They'd say "if you don't make more of this we wont publish your other works?"

They can pressure you into doing it. I'm not quite sure how but happened with DBZ, and it's highly suspected to have with Death Note.

Someone who has actual experience in this business would know better than I do, but if I had to guess it would be somewhere along the line of guilt-tripping, and holding the rights to your work hostage.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I don't know much about the manga biz but how would publishers force him? They'd say "if you don't make more of this we wont publish your other works?"

Other successful mangakas take massive hiatuses (eg.: Berserk) and no publisher seems to bat an eye in their cases, coudln't he just sat down for half a year and figure shit out? Then again if he's lashing out he probably doesnt give much of a shit at this point.

Well, it really depends on the influence and power of the publisher. Even Araki had to deal with bad publishers who forced him to end Stone Ocean early, causing the ending to be rushed. So it kind of goes both ways. Its probably a cultural thing. And a money thing too.

Like @Bunny Tracks said, there could be a myriad of reasons.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

He did have editors at one point, but one of them had a mental breakdown in a bathroom after seeing Sasha die (she was gonna die much earlier, but the editor's said meltdown is what saved her), and the other one killed his wife and is now in jail. I don't anything about his current editors, or if he even has any at the moment.

So basically he’s a cursed artist doomed to bring ruin to everything he works on and everyone he works with. Sounds about right.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Was there a reason for the second half of this manga to be a cluster fuck?

Isayama set up a mystery box and didn't know what was in it before hand. Everything that has gone on is a matter of "Things he did to put off getting to the box" or "Things that are a consequence of making the answer in the box SUPER DUPER EPIC, because he blue balled everyone for years so it needed to match the Hype"

 

[Bender]

long

I was hoping you'd see the ripoff of NGE with the suit only the dad's son could use as well as the "humans were the bad guys all along" comparison to AoT. That said, I'm slightly offended that you thought I told you to watch that just to make you miserable, considering how much you enjoyed tearing AOT and TLoU2 apart I knew you've love this.

 

[Stay safe]

So there's a music video out for season 3 Part 1's ending song. Normally this wouldn't be noticeable, but the video itself has what seems to be a vague, symbolic telling of AoT's ending. The most obvious connection being the site of completely destroyed cities and people being indiscriminately killed. And one of those buildings has a room that bears the Scout's emblem.

If we assume the animation fully represents what will happen, without any tricks, Eren will eventually be forced to kill all his friends (except for the Floch the Chad) for the sake of continuing with the Rumbling, after which a new world will be created. Eren lives out the rest of his life with Ymir, but is emotionally devastated by what he's done.

If AoT was written by a competent writer, I would say this sounds like an ending that'll work. It would be unique, memorable, fit with the themes of the story, and have an appropriate amount of bleakness and hope. But this is Isayama, he's constantly fucked up chances to write amazing scenes, even when it would be easier not to. Grisha's story was pretty much perfect, and then he went and fucked it all up with time travel the story didn't need at all.

If anyone could fuck this up, it's Isayama.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

If we assume the animation fully represents what will happen, without any tricks, Eren will eventually be forced to kill all his friends (except for the Floch the Chad) for the sake of continuing with the Rumbling, after which a new world will be created. Eren lives out the rest of his life with Ymir, but is emotionally devastated by what he's done.

That actually does sound like a good ending. I don't why Floch would be the one to survive, but that's beside the point. If I had to guess if this is going be an actual ending, I think it's only going to be the one for anime. This sounds like something the studio would come up with in order to salvage this mess.

 

[Stay safe]

Some retarded Eren/Mikasa shippers tried to debunk the Dawn's Requiem music video by translating a description of it by the main animator on her website, where she says it was just an artistic video.

Except that is NOT what she said. That is a false translation, what she actually said was "As the story progresses, we would like [the audience] to be able to accept the truth that is gradually taking shape as it is shown and with its different interpretations", which actually implies the video does in fact foreshadow the ending.

One of the people trying to claim she debunked the music video immediately deleted her Reddit account once she was found out.

Shippers are fucking retarded, but this was really fucking stupid, even for them. Did they really think no one who knows Japanese would look into this? And even if their false translation was true, do they really think the staff would admit if the music video was showing the ending? What, did they really think if they were asked they would just causally say "Yeah, Eren punches Mikasa's fucking head off"?

The pacing for this series is so goddamn slow that no one, not even Isayama, is willing to take a wait and see approach towards the ending.