Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Bunny Tracks]

This isn't "the final season", it's the penultimate season, whether they do another cour ("the final season part 2") or a finale movie. "The final season" title is just a marketing gimmick to build up hype.

I actually didn't even think of this, and if this is true it would explain why this season is so short when it has so much material to cover.

 

[Uncle June]

I actually didn't even think of this, and if this is true it would explain why this season is so short when it has so much material to cover.

I figured that was what they were going for from the start. There is no way they'll fit the rest of the series in 13 episodes. Hell, the manga still has a few more months left, so that shit couldn't possibly be animated (unless they pulled an Elfen Lied/Tokyo Ghoul situation).

 

[Hackallier]

That's actually a reference to something the Nazis considered doing to the Jews.

Madagascar Plan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Lmao, somehow I forgot about the Madagascar Plan when it came to this series. How did I miss such an obvious reference? This finally settles the whole ordeal without question. The Eldians are 100% Jews.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I figured that was what they were going for from the start. There is no way they'll fit the rest of the series in 13 episodes. Hell, the manga still has a few more months left, so that shit couldn't possibly be animated (unless they pulled an Elfen Lied/Tokyo Ghoul situation).

Or an FMA:B situation, where the mangaka gives the details of the final chapter before the final chapter is actually released.

Lmao, somehow I forgot about the Madagascar Plan when it came to this series. How did I miss such an obvious reference? This finally settles the whole ordeal without question. The Eldians are 100% Jews.
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100%? Didn't realize the Nazis relied on Jewish superpowers in order to maintain their national security.

 

[Hackallier]

100%? Didn't realize the Nazis relied on Jewish superpowers in order to maintain their national security.

Nazis relegating their national security to Jews is clearly a clever reverse allegory to Israel outsourcing their national security to US. Hajime Isayama strikes again!

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

There are few things worse than a bad turn in a previously good story.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

For me, whether, or not Eldia and the KoM are supposed to be an exact 1-1 representation of the Jews and the Germans during WWII isn't the problem. The problem is that they're close enough for it to be extremely noticeable, and an obvious conclusion. If Isayama truly did not mean for two to be metaphors for them then he and his editors are stupider than I thought.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Lmao, somehow I forgot about the Madagascar Plan when it came to this series. How did I miss such an obvious reference? This finally settles the whole ordeal without question. The Eldians are 100% Jews.
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Wait, is the official map just our world flipped upside down?

 

[Hackallier]

Wait, is the official map just our world flipped upside down?

Yes. Don't question it. Flip world is real world building.

 

[Secret Asshole]

For me, whether, or not Eldia and the KoM are supposed to be an exact 1-1 representation of the Jews and the Germans during WWII isn't the problem. The problem is that they're close enough for it to be extremely noticeable, and an obvious conclusion. If Isayama truly did not mean for two to be metaphors for them then he and his editors are stupider than I thought.

I mean if Japan treats Cathlosisim as some sort of mystical, powerful, inscrutable force then I can fully believe Isayama doesn't understand Jews in WWII at all.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I mean if Japan treats Cathlosisim as some sort of mystical, powerful, inscrutable force then I can fully believe Isayama doesn't understand Jews in WWII at all.

I can't. Even if Japan doesn't cover WWII that well because they were the bad guys in it, Isayama should've done his research, and if not him, his fucking editors should have. This isn't the 80s and 90s where you could get away with not knowing about shit like this. It's fucking current year, and he and his editors have more than enough resources at their disposal to look this stuff up. Also, what happened during the Holocaust is common knowledge at this point if you don't live in some backwards, third world country which Japan clearly is not. There is no excuse for any of this.

And yes, I know Japan isn't nearly as obsessed with political correctness as the rest of the world is, but still, no one thought to pull Isayama aside, and say that this whole WWII-esque symbolism and having the Jews being partially to blame for their own systematic genocide is a really bad look in most parts of the world, and more importantly, has nothing to do with the rest of his story?

Fuck me, if that's the case then that shows me that everyone involved in the making of this manga is incompetent, and that this failure goes all the way to fucking top of corporate hierarchy.

 

[FaramirG]

I mean if Japan treats Cathlosisim as some sort of mystical, powerful, inscrutable force then I can fully believe Isayama doesn't understand Jews in WWII at all.

Well Jews did play a part in creating America's superweapon that we used against Japan. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I can't. Even if Japan doesn't cover WWII that well because they were the bad guys in it, Isayama should've done his research, and if not him, his fucking editors should have. This isn't the 80s and 90s where you could get away with not knowing about shit like this. It's fucking current year, and he and his editors have more than enough resources at their disposal to look this stuff up. Also, what happened during the Holocaust is common knowledge at this point if you don't live in some backwards, third world country which Japan clearly is not. There is no excuse for any of this.

And yes, I know Japan isn't nearly as obsessed with political correctness as the rest of the world is, but still, no one thought to pull Isayama aside, and say that this whole WWII-esque symbolism and having being partially to blame for their systematic genocide is a really bad look in most parts of the world, and more importantly, has nothing to do with the rest of his story?

Fuck me, if that's the case then that shows me that everyone involved in the making of this manga is incompetent, and that this failure goes all the way to fucking top of corporate hierarchy.

I mean, I don't think Japan really gives a shit. They have 'Hitler' bars and stores in the East without really giving a fuck. You're asking a guy who thought letting some pigs run wild was a great idea as a major plot point to his story. And to turn what is fundamentally a horror manga into some shitty fucking war drama, WWII allegory that half its readers hated so much they ditched it en masse. Isyama is a fucking massive autist, even if his editors said "You know, we can't really make a story with having the pigs getting released and stolen as the main catalyst in the entire story, that's really fucking retarded." He wouldn't get it.

I mean, manga being tone deaf and retardation going to the top wouldn't be exceptional. You'd think editors would be storming him once he lost 50% of his readership to a DRASTICALLY different genre with a massive, massive timeskip. Lets be real, if they didn't hit him for fucktarded story decisions, they're not going to hit him for not doing the barest amount of research.

 

[Ravana]

Or an FMA:B situation, where the mangaka gives the details of the final chapter before the final chapter is actually released.

I hear that it's this scenario only the anime studio keeps sending it back to Isayama asking him to stop joking and to please send the real ending.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

I hear that it's this scenario only the anime studio keeps sending it back to Isayama asking him to stop joking and to please send the real ending.

Yeah like he has an actual ending planned out. He rushed in wanting to turn his manga into a WWII allegory while trying to copy the grey morality and complex characters of Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad and only realized halfway through he had no clue what he was doing.

I'm torn between and anime original ending and following the mangas storyline to the very end. Part of me wants to see an original ending to see how they can salvage the story with what they have been given and part of me wants them to adapt Isayamas ending just to enjoy the salt from the anime only viewers as they watch the show go further downhill with every passing episode.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I can't. Even if Japan doesn't cover WWII that well because they were the bad guys in it, Isayama should've done his research, and if not him, his fucking editors should have. This isn't the 80s and 90s where you could get away with not knowing about shit like this. It's fucking current year, and he and his editors have more than enough resources at their disposal to look this stuff up. Also, what happened during the Holocaust is common knowledge at this point if you don't live in some backwards, third world country which Japan clearly is not. There is no excuse for any of this.

And yes, I know Japan isn't nearly as obsessed with political correctness as the rest of the world is, but still, no one thought to pull Isayama aside, and say that this whole WWII-esque symbolism and having being partially to blame for their systematic genocide is a really bad look in most parts of the world, and more importantly, has nothing to do with the rest of his story?

Fuck me, if that's the case then that shows me that everyone involved in the making of this manga is incompetent, and that this failure goes all the way to fucking top of corporate hierarchy.

Small things first: Japan could give two shits about its overseas markets. As far as they're concerned, any success they have outside of Japan is a happy accident they barely have anything to do with.

To the main point: I seriously think the people I've interacted with in this thread are hyperfixated with obvious WWII allusions that they aren't taking in the gestalt in which said references participate. I've mostly read the manga in isolation so I may be generally uninitiated, but this unironic circling back to the Jew/Nazi dynamics nettles me.

I can recognize that the treatment of Eldians resembles that of the German Jews inasmuch as they were put into ghettos and have to wear armbands that distinguish them as a scapegoat race, I really can. I can recognize that the Eldians being put on ɹɐɔsɐƃɐpɐW is a minor reference to the Nazis' initial plans to ship them off there. But that's where the similarities end and at that point we're talking the appropriation of aesthetics and superficial details-- unless you're willing to argue that Isayama is actually creating a WWII fanfic where he has to necessarily justify Jewish oppression as to equalize sympathy given to both Eldians (the Jews) and Marleyans (the Nazis) by making it so that the former were acktually an exceedingly brutal world superpower that the latter barely overturned and so while they treat the former poorly, what they do is understandable in the context of war.

That would have lessened the sympathy the reader had for the Eldians, except for the fact we're necessarily made to empathize with the Eldians because we largely don't get fed Eldia's plight through its geopolitics, but through individuals with decidedly smaller or simpler ambitions struggling against the forces of said geopolitics just so they can live their lives. That, and the narrative blatantly argues that said people who had no hands in said geopolitics ought not be condemned to suffer because of them.

Now I'm still here with my dick in my hand trying to figure out the functional resemblance that the Eldians have to the Jews beyond the fact that they were oppressed at all... especially since they used to be the oppressors. At what point did the Jews dominate anything beyond the Levant by themselves? I don't remember the Jews packing any kind of war-winning firepower truly of their own since the menorah. The Jews weren't being kept in ghettos because of some genetic superfactor Hitler wanted to cultivate for national security. The propaganda against Eldia was made after what was effectively a Marleyan victory in order to keep Eldians from being inspired to rebel, but the Dolchstoßlegende was concocted after Germany's loss in WWI in order to cope with the fact that Germany sucked. The Jews existed in Europe largely as a product of the Jewish diaspora following the Bar Kochba revolt and there were no attempts to suppress that history or any of their other history, but the Marleyan Eldians were hardly privy to even their own history due to getting mind-wiped by their king and propagandaized by Marley. If you put the history of the Jews and the narrative of the Eldians side-by-side, how much do they rhyme?

My issue isn't that the insistence in question touts an alleged 0.6:1 allegory for the German Reich-- it's that the resemblance is like, 0.05:1. It's not the fucking armbands and ghettos that make a Jewish allegory when there's so much more characterization (and Jewish history) beyond that. If I wrote a story about a people who were forced into ghettos and had to wear self-identification to denote their race which is reviled by the rest of the populace, but they were all of a kingdom that until two years ago was an effective world hegemon, are you going to tell me that those people are supposed to be Jews? They take cues from Jews, but they're not Jews, because nearly everything that makes the Jews "the Jews", in all the historical contexts in which they've existed, is not alluded to in the historical construction of the Eldians. If you think that they are, you're forcing a circular peg in a large star-shaped hole.

To illustrate what I do think of when I think of allegory:

• The Chronicles of Narnia has animal Jesus with the narrative arc of actual Jesus.
• Animal Farm clearly details the issue of instituting communism even from the best of intentions using the Bolshevik Revolution as a narrative framework onto which farm animals are superimposed.
• The Crucible colors a critique of McCarthyism with the color palette of the Salem witch trials.
• 1984 deliberately patterns its depicted society after Stalinist Russia for the purposes of its critique.
• The allegory of the cave uses sunlight to signify knowledge and the cave to signify a low-information environment to demonstrate the alienation that knowledge can cause as well as how the value of and the status conferred by revolutionary knowledge can be lost on those that haven't the means to interpret it or its signs.

Attack on Titan is a war allegory, all right-- but it's not an allegory for specifically WWII's European theatre. For that, you'd have to assume that Isayama and/or his crew are either failing so hard at making such an allegory that whether or not they're trying is immaterial, or they're justifying the mistreatment of Jews under Hitler through a fanfic that ascribes a slew of fundamental properties to the Jews (e.g. the presence of a world superpower with a unique weapon) that they never had, necessarily meaning that he's describing a people that are essentially not Jews.

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

There are no giants in Attack on Titan. Tell me just ONE time where Eren goes "fee fi fo fum" and literally grinds someone's bones to dust. See, you can't. Falco doesn't even lay any golden eggs. And did Armin trade the walls for magic beans? NO. In truth it's just some coincidentally tall people who happen to be mute cannibals. Any discussion of "titans" is completely irrelevant to discussion or mockery of Attack on Titan.

 

[FaramirG]

Small things first: Japan could give two shits about its overseas markets. As far as they're concerned, any success they have outside of Japan is a happy accident they barely have anything to do with.

To the main point: I seriously think the people I've interacted with in this thread are hyperfixated with obvious WWII allusions that they aren't taking in the gestalt in which said references participate. I've mostly read the manga in isolation so I may be generally uninitiated, but this unironic circling back to the Jew/Nazi dynamics nettles me.

I can recognize that the treatment of Eldians resembles that of the German Jews inasmuch as they were put into ghettos and have to wear armbands that distinguish them as a scapegoat race, I really can. I can recognize that the Eldians being put on ɹɐɔsɐƃɐpɐW is a minor reference to the Nazis' initial plans to ship them off there. But that's where the similarities end and at that point we're talking the appropriation of aesthetics and superficial details-- unless you're willing to argue that Isayama is actually creating a WWII fanfic where he has to necessarily justify Jewish oppression as to equalize sympathy given to both Eldians (the Jews) and Marleyans (the Nazis) by making it so that the former were acktually an exceedingly brutal world superpower that the latter barely overturned and so while they treat the former poorly, what they do is understandable in the context of war.

That would have lessened the sympathy the reader had for the Eldians, except for the fact we're necessarily made to empathize with the Eldians because we largely don't get fed Eldia's plight through its geopolitics, but through individuals with decidedly smaller or simpler ambitions struggling against the forces of said geopolitics just so they can live their lives. That, and the narrative blatantly argues that said people who had no hands in said geopolitics ought not be condemned to suffer because of them.

Now I'm still here with my dick in my hand trying to figure out the functional resemblance that the Eldians have to the Jews beyond the fact that they were oppressed at all... especially since they used to be the oppressors. At what point did the Jews dominate anything beyond the Levant by themselves? I don't remember the Jews packing any kind of war-winning firepower truly of their own since the menorah. The Jews weren't being kept in ghettos because of some genetic superfactor Hitler wanted to cultivate for national security. The propaganda against Eldia was made after what was effectively a Marleyan victory in order to keep Eldians from being inspired to rebel, but the Dolchstoßlegende was concocted after Germany's loss in WWI in order to cope with the fact that Germany sucked. The Jews existed in Europe largely as a product of the Jewish diaspora following the Bar Kochba revolt and there were no attempts to suppress that history or any of their other history, but the Marleyan Eldians were hardly privy to even their own history due to getting mind-wiped by their king and propagandaized by Marley. If you put the history of the Jews and the narrative of the Eldians side-by-side, how much do they rhyme?

My issue isn't that the insistence in question touts an alleged 0.6:1 allegory for the German Reich-- it's that the resemblance is like, 0.05:1. It's not the fucking armbands and ghettos that make a Jewish allegory when there's so much more characterization (and Jewish history) beyond that. If I wrote a story about a people who were forced into ghettos and had to wear self-identification to denote their race which is reviled by the rest of the populace, but they were all of a kingdom that until two years ago was an effective world hegemon, are you going to tell me that those people are supposed to be Jews? They take cues from Jews, but they're not Jews, because nearly everything that makes the Jews "the Jews", in all the historical contexts in which they've existed, is not alluded to in the historical construction of the Eldians. If you think that they are, you're forcing a circular peg in a large star-shaped hole.

To illustrate what I do think of when I think of allegory:

• The Chronicles of Narnia has animal Jesus with the narrative arc of actual Jesus.
• Animal Farm clearly details the issue of instituting communism even from the best of intentions using the Bolshevik Revolution as a narrative framework onto which farm animals are superimposed.
• The Crucible colors a critique of McCarthyism with the color palette of the Salem witch trials.
• 1984 deliberately patterns its depicted society after Stalinist Russia for the purposes of its critique.
• The allegory of the cave uses sunlight to signify knowledge and the cave to signify a low-information environment to demonstrate the alienation that knowledge can cause as well as how the value of and the status conferred by revolutionary knowledge can be lost on those that haven't the means to interpret it or its signs.

Attack on Titan is a war allegory, all right-- but it's not an allegory for specifically WWII's European theatre. For that, you'd have to assume that Isayama and/or his crew are either failing so hard at making such an allegory that whether or not they're trying is immaterial, or they're justifying the mistreatment of Jews under Hitler through a fanfic that ascribes a slew of fundamental properties to the Jews (e.g. the presence of a world superpower with a unique weapon) that they never had, necessarily meaning that he's describing a people that are essentially not Jews.

Eldians in SNK were not the world hegemon until two years ago in the story. King Fritz renounced war and went into exile at least 100 years before the first episode. Marley has been the dominant military power, using their control of 8 out of 9 of the titan shifters to completely dominate the globe, in that time. It's Marley that only just lost its total dominance over the world, a combination of tech advances and the disastrous Paradis Operation that saw them lose the Colossal, the Female, and accidentally put the Coordinate in the hands of a genocidal maniac who wants to kill every non-Eldian.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Eldians in SNK were not the world hegemon until two years ago in the story. King Fritz renounced war and went into exile at least 100 years before the first episode. Marley has been the dominant military power, using their control of 8 out of 9 of the titan shifters to completely dominate the globe, in that time. It's Marley that only just lost its total dominance over the world, a combination of tech advances and the disastrous Paradis Operation that saw them lose the Colossal, the Female, and accidentally put the Coordinate in the hands of a genocidal maniac who wants to kill every non-Eldian.

I'm certain that the king of whatever barbarian tribe Ymir Fritz belonged to used the power of the Titans in order to develop and expand their territory, and mandated the perpetuation of the power of the Titans in order to maintain their power, such that they could become a world hegemon.

Now that you mention it, though, I'm still incorrect: the reason why Karl Fritz relocates most Eldians and himself to Paradis is because he didn't like the fact that the inheritors of the other Titans kept waging civil war after they achieved world domination, and didn't want to do what the other kings did and use the power of the Founding Titan to quell the war and keep the peace until they started up again.

(As a side note, while getting that information, I realized that Zeke's intentions were clearly modeled after Karl Fritz', since like Fritz, he'd rather the Eldians die off as retribution.)

There are no giants in Attack on Titan. Tell me just ONE time where Eren goes "fee fi fo fum" and literally grinds someone's bones to dust.

but-- but they're based off the jotnar of norse mythology
i guess most proximately they're based off of that drunk guy Isayama met that one time, and also some of his friends
maybe some GoT characters, and Freddie Mercury

Falco doesn't even lay any golden eggs.

Falco is a fucking bird right now

An eagle, maybe. Probably a falcon, because someone thought that'd be clever.

 

[Protistology]

Lmao, somehow I forgot about the Madagascar Plan when it came to this series. How did I miss such an obvious reference? This finally settles the whole ordeal without question. The Eldians are 100% Jews.
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lol the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Fuck off Isayama you hack.