Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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been lurking since the site was created, this thread made me finally create an account, HAHA, OH WOW, WELL SPERG'D ISEYAMA.

Mankasa, Armong, Zeke the retard, at least ive been pissing my pants with laughter with all these memes, now I'm just curious at how this can become even more shit in the two chapters that are left.
 
been lurking since the site was created, this thread made me finally create an account, HAHA, OH WOW, WELL SPERG'D ISEYAMA.

Mankasa, Armong, Zeke the retard, at least ive been pissing my pants with laughter with all these memes, now I'm just curious at how this can become even more shit in the two chapters that are left.
I don't know, it just feels boring now. The Lelouch ending, some boring Eren monologue or some idiotic twist. I mean the entire chapter makes little to no sense, but Isayama has never been one to have things flow in an organic manner. They happen because he wants them to do so. I mean, it is AoT, so stupid shit even dumber than this can happen.

I'm guessing he just rips off something else, because that's all he's been doing for the most part, ripping off other pop-culture and jamming it in. I mean if this was actually the final fight, holy shit lol, it was so bad.
 
I mean, the basic problem of what Isayama did was that it was fundamentally impossible to defeat Eren without a McGuffin. He becomes a living God who understands Ymir's pain. For the first time in thousands of years, here comes someone who understands her. Everyone going right through PATHs. Zeke is outplayed completely. He has an army of Colossal Titans. He has the powers of the Founding Titan.

Then, maybe the higher ups or executives or Isayama himself never intended the 'Hitler wins' ending (making Eren go Hitler was fucking idiotic in the first place, but we're here now so whatever). But oops, you've written yourself into a massive fucking corner where there is nothing remotely powerful in a world that still uses WWI technology to stop him. And you haven't set up any Titan to counter him or any magical thing to stop him.

Now herein lies the problem. How do you actually stop Eren? There's honestly not many options. And any good ones Isayama can't pull off.

Try to talk and understand Eren? Lets be real, the cringe avengers and no one has basically tried to talk or reason with Eren for like a hundred plus chapters so that's not going to start. And Isayama is nowhere near a good enough writer to even attempt that.

Have the cringe avengers just win through the power of friendship? Uh, you could. But there's still the problem of the power imbalance. Even Isayama is aware enough to realize this.

Just make him lose. Suddenly have him lose the Powers in PATHS. Ok, but how? Oh...just have Armin talk to Zeke and Ymir, this fucking random they have no stake in who basically says "Life is full of small moments worth living!" and shit I would see on motivational posters plastered over the office of a suicide hotline with the world's worst success rate. And this requires Eren to do literally nothing about this. Which he does.

So Eren loses because Isayama wants him to. Honestly, in the story, Eren cannot lose without Isayama just having it happen. There's nothing in the plot or narrative that would defeat Eren, except he himself choosing to stop or a Deus Ex Machina. And quite seriously, a Deus Ex Machina would be better than the atrocious fight Isayama pulled. I know people are sperging "EREN CAN'T LOSE" but they're right, in the story, there's absolutely nothing to stop him. He gets stopped because Isayama wants him stopped. There's no organic flow, no real reasoning. Its like a lot of AoT.

People who were saying a Deus Ex Nuke ended it better than Isayama did. Like even the worst theories we could come up with were more interesting and less boring and crap than what Isayama came up with. And we purposefully tried to be shitty.

Isayama literally wrote:

Armin: "Life not about reproduction or survival. About small moments, not reproduction. I was born to run up a hill." *shows Leaf*

Zeke: "I agree, reproduction pointless. Leaf remind me of how ball is in the wind. I would rather play catch than fuck."

Ymir & All Dead Characters: "We were blind but now we see"

Cringe Avengers: "Oh no we losing!"

*Dead Characters come out of nowhere*

Cringe Avengers: "Oh wow, we winning!"

*Eren does literally nothing about any of this*

*Jean blows up skull, Reiner prevents worm from reconnecting*

Armin: <One Liner Goes Here>

*FIN*

The writing is so utterly fucking terrible it really is mind boggling. What in the fuck do small moments and pointless activities mean in the scheme of things if you are being brutally fucking murdered by the rest of the world? When did Eren say those small moments were ultimately pointless, when what he's doing is trying to preserve them? What is he even talking about? Holy shit, its just such fucking terrible gibberish.

If you think about it for 2 seconds, it actually supports what Eren is doing because you can't have that peaceful game of catch or running up a hill if the rest of the world is raping and killing you. I've never seen a story so badly butcher its points before.

Don't get me wrong, I am so fucking happy it is ending this way. Every retarded theory, every little piece of dissection of this shitpile, every fan YouTube video (I saw one cringe one of this guy having his entire fucking room decked out in Attack on Titan shit and its hilarious to think about now), all this hailing of Isayama as a genius is gone now and revealed for the fucking trash author he is. It ended on the worst possible note.

In the end, the only good thing that might come out of this is someone might decide to steal the first third of Attack on Titan and never use anything else from it.

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I'm actually looking forward to chapter 138 because I want to see Eren's monologue. If Armin's convincing of Zeke and Ymir was THIS fucking stupid, I can only imagine how retarded Eren's final speech is. Its going to be hilarious.
 
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“So Eren loses because Isayama wants him to. Honestly, in the story, Eren cannot lose without Isayama just having it happen.”
That’s true of most stories, unfortunately.
 
>Eren: “all life is about reproduction and fighting entrophy, we must secure a future for our race free of any dangers to it”
>Armin: “THIS ONE TIME I RAN UP A HILL! I WAS BORN TO RUN UP THAT HILL!”
Once again we prove Eren did nothing wrong.
I don't know, man. Armin's stupid, optimistic enthusiasm makes me think different.
 
I don't know, man. Armin's stupid, optimistic enthusiasm makes me think different.
It’s just empty Jap “enjoy the present for what is fleeting is beautiful” claptrap. Nobody cares how you lived your childhood to the fullest, what matters is what is permanent. What you leave behind for the next generation.
 
It’s just empty Jap “enjoy the present for what is fleeting is beautiful” claptrap. Nobody cares how you lived your childhood to the fullest, what matters is what is permanent. What you leave behind for the next generation.
And what Eren is going to leave behind is a burnt-out, ash-filled, lifeless wasteland. Sure, the Paradisers are saved, but at what cost? It's just not worth it. Not when there were a bunch of the ways to solve this.

I think both have a point. You should care about the future, but also try to enjoy the present. You should care about the big picture, but also appreciate the small details. There's nothing wrong with this, and frankly, I'd take Armin's silly, happy, and hopelessly idealistic attitude over Eren's depressing, angry nihilistic, and misanthropic one any day.
 
Sure, the Paradisers are saved, but at what cost?
No cost to them. It’s no different than some natural cataclysm. Extinction level event for the rest of the world. At that point, what matters is survival not morality.

“I win, you lose”. It is those with this mindset that inherit the future. Only very recently has slave morality dominated.
 
No cost to them. It’s no different than some natural cataclysm. Extinction level event for the rest of the world. At that point, what matters is survival not morality.

“I win, you lose”. It is those with this mindset that inherit the future. Only very recently has slave morality dominated.
Look man, I love the Paradisers, but they're not worth genociding the entire world for. It's not a natural cataclysm. One of their own is literally wiping out the rest of the world's population. Saying that's a natural cataclysm is like saying the Holocaust was a natural cataclysm. It's just not. Nor does it have anything to with slave morality, or any of that shit. Not genociding the entire world doesn't equal a slave morality. Especially not when there were a lot of other solutions available, and at least two of them that Eren himself actually knew about.

Look, I just think trying to apply any of this actual social darwinism to AoT just fails because that's not what the series is about, what it was ever supposed to be about, and arguing about it is just going shit up the thread. Let's just agree to disagree, and move on.
 
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And what Eren is going to leave behind is a burnt-out, ash-filled, lifeless wasteland. Sure, the Paradisers are saved, but at what cost? It's just not worth it. Not when there were a bunch of the ways to solve this.

I think both have a point. You should care about the future, but also try to enjoy the present. You should care about the big picture, but also appreciate the small details. There's nothing wrong with this, and frankly, I'd take Armin's silly, happy, and hopelessly idealistic attitude over Eren's depressing, angry nihilistic, and misanthropic one any day.
Armin's attitude would be far less frustrating if he had actually come up with and presented some viable plan in those four years he was masturbating to Annie's crystal. Same goes for Hange and Levi (even though he was never really an ideas guy).
 
Armin's attitude would be far less frustrating if he had actually come up with and presented some viable plan in those four years he was masturbating to Annie's crystal. Same goes for Hange and Levi (even though he was never really an ideas guy).
Exactly.

Really, this just shows how bad series writing really is. The SC and really the Paradisers themselves just pissed away all that time, and that just honestly makes the whole genocide ending feel even more forced.
 
If Eren's plan is global genocide to deal with the entire world oppressing his people due to something that started with pigs being let out, his opposition should absolutely have an equally silly and insane sounding starting point. He deserves to be fought back against by people motivated by LOL, RUNNING UP THE HILL AND LEAF BASEBALL.

I agree with everyone saying AoT had the potential to be a great manga only for the execution to be absolutely botched because these character motivations have some good things about them. Isayama sounds like an insane person trying to retell a story he heard a good writer tell once.
 
Not gonna be a popular take, but I hope Eren survives in the end. Why? Because Isayama isn't a good writer, and this is clearly one of those mind traps he laid for himself and won't be able to get out of. It is completely disingenous to kill him physically with a Mary Sue wielding a sniper she should have no business shooting, only for him to go from "you are free to choose as you want!" to "KILL KILL KILL", considering the Attack Titan was supposedly oriented towards freedom of will and choice to live out your life. You don't get a lot of that if you start putting down the entire world.

So it all started because Isayama really wanted to introduce some 12 year old cuntish Mary Sue who should have been eaten by a Titan but is somehow kept alive and is LIKED by all these Eldians she hates. This is not only horrible, awful writing, but it goes a long way to show his heart is no longer in this.

Eren is the protagonist, to do this with him, when there is no indication that he intended to make himself out to be as terrible as a gigantic, genocidal Titan, is to show you have absolutely no talent at weaving a good story or knowledge of what it takes to make one. Then again, if Isayama plots out his manga based on 'how he feels' instead of 'how the characters view, in his perspective', that's the last and most likely mistake he'll make his career. I don't think he'll make another breakout manga.
 
“So Eren loses because Isayama wants him to. Honestly, in the story, Eren cannot lose without Isayama just having it happen.”
That’s true of most stories, unfortunately.
Isn't that true for literally very single story written by a single author? As in by definition.
 
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He deserves to be fought back against by people motivated by LOL, RUNNING UP THE HILL AND LEAF BASEBALL.
Their motivation is "we've spent so long fighting for the sake of humanity and we're not really feeling genociding everyone outside of our island". The final conflict simplifies into the butting of heads between an idealism and cynicism that ultimately understand each other-- Eren doesn't really want to genocide innocent men, women, and children, but they don't have power outside the Rumbling against the rest of the world and they're out of time. The rest of the gang doesn't want to get slaughtered by the rest of the world, but they don't want to kill throngs of innocents to buy their peace.


Zeke is outplayed completely.
Not really. Zeke could have sacrificed himself at any time by emerging and making himself vulnerable to slaughter, and then the Founding Titan would lose its royalty proxy (like it ended up doing in this chapter). He just didn't feel like it.

Then, maybe the higher ups or executives or Isayama himself never intended the 'Hitler wins' ending (making Eren go Hitler was fucking idiotic in the first place, but we're here now so whatever).
Why is it always that when we talk genocide, we talk Hitler? Why isn't it ever the Young Turks or the Belgians backing the Hutus, or even ancient near Eastern tribes declaring total war on hostile neighbors?

Try to talk and understand Eren? Lets be real, the cringe avengers and no one has basically tried to talk or reason with Eren for like a hundred plus chapters so that's not going to start.
They did. Eren even initiated. He literally-- not figuratively, literally tells them to kill him or die.

And this requires Eren to do literally nothing about this. Which he does.
What does he do that doesn't rob them of their own freedom? If he wanted to tie up loose ends, he could have just prevented everyone else from using any of their powers, or brainwash them, or... really, with his power he could do just about anything to literally everyone fighting against him except the person who's the least willing to kill him and a near-cripple.

The writing is so utterly fucking terrible it really is mind boggling. What in the fuck do small moments and pointless activities mean in the scheme of things if you are being brutally fucking murdered by the rest of the world? When did Eren say those small moments were ultimately pointless, when what he's doing is trying to preserve them?
Effectively, everyone's trying to preserve them, but they're all fighting for different groups of people because the circumstances have forced them into extremes despite largely similar experiences and identical sympathies. Eren's cast his lot entirely with the in-group, and everyone else with the out-group. Eren's gone his way because he's most concerned about life and freedom and is basically aware that nobody figured out anything in the time prior to the Rumbling (imagine that time loop, geez...) and everyone else is ignorant about those future memories but regardless can't stomach the prospect of genociding entire civilizations even if it's the only thing they can do to ensure any kind of long-term peace.

The reason that I'm beside myself with the end of this chapter is because there's zero guarantee that anything will happen outside of them being summarily bombed to death by the rest of the world, even though the world united in order to stop the threat of the Rumbling, and even though everyone at Fort Salta has been able to reconcile their differences in the face of Eren's equalizer. This reality is acknowledged in-story with even less available knowledge (like that facing an apocalyptic threat that imperils everyone equally could wipe away ethnic animus), and for the sake of the story, it would have been totally unsatisfying if everyone else either sat by while Eren stomped on everyone or struggled with decision paralysis for the entire arc. It also would have been unsatisfying in and of itself if Eren was allowed to proceed unimpeded, even at that point, because while the story was building up to the Rumbling, the Rumbling was clearly not meant as the final destination of the story. So, I'm okay with the "Cringe Avengers" as a means of facilitating a climax, their motivations are established and challenged enough, and the climax was exciting enough that I forgot that Isayama, too, bears the Japanese inclination to fight against God reflected in so many of their modern works.

Thing is, I don't like their position because it's clearly not viable in their world, and I sympathize with Eren more because he was the only one that came up with any solution to save their people.

As an aside, your derision of Zeke and Armin's confrontation actually helped me understand Zeke's turnaround better, in that I was able to realize that both parties agreed that the nihilism question ("life doesn't have intrinsic value, so what now?") was valid but approached it according to, respectively, their cynicism and optimism.

Look man, I love the Paradisers, but they're not worth genociding the entire world for.
Why not? Why shouldn't they fight hard enough to assert that they have a right to live, especially in the face of the alternative which is just accepting being carpetbombed to annihilation by every other world power?

Especially not when there were a lot of other solutions available, and at least two of them that Eren himself actually knew about.
Which were...?

The story makes a point of showing that Eren is sick to his stomach at the prospect of wiping out all life on earth, but by virtue of his future memories, he knows that nobody's going to be able to do anything that allows him from not carrying out what was very much everyone's last resort from being taken. What he feels is his best path forward is further confirmed by what's happening in the present.
  • They don't have the means of catching up technologically with the rest of the world before they get brought into conflict, especially when the rest of the world can much more easily mobilize at the drop of a hat and carpetbomb Paradis to annihilation. The issue there isn't that they pissed time away-- it's that they didn't have time.
  • They couldn't broker peace diplomatically because not even the Eldians of other territories were willing to join the island Eldians in being the bottom of the world hierarchy.
  • A partial Rumbling wouldn't scare anyone off, and would still result in throngs of deaths if it were to be even close to effective at doing what it sought out to do.
  • Without any provocation beyond actions taken to preserve their lives (the capture of the Colossal, which could have only happened due to Marley sending their warriors to Paradis to claim the Founder again) or knowledge of Eren's whereabouts, Willy declares war on Paradis with the intention of having the entire rest of the world wipe them out because of the threat they face to the rest of the world because they're profoundly unsure if a non-royal Eldian is going to kick off the Rumbling.
  • Hange kicks herself for the rest of her life because she was so incapable of figuring out a solution that didn't involve genocide that Eren went ahead with committing genocide, and her argument for why she wanted to stop the Rumbling ended up boiling down to her loyalty to her Survey Corps ideals and her inability to restrain those ideals to those in Paradis.
What other options did they have? Even Zeke's castration plan wouldn't ensure that they wouldn't be promptly genocided afterwards.
 
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