Aug 11 2022 - Case updated with "Waive right to indictment" and "transportation order" - Review scheduled for next year

[Hogar Grupal]

Chris will have to dox himself, which he has no problem doing.

Knowing him, he would, just because he's such an attention seeking whore. The staff won't take to Chris' delusions, and Chris can't be commanding or exercising any of the patients in the home either.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Knowing him, he would, just because he's such an attention seeking whore. The staff won't take to Chris' delusions, and Chris can't be commanding or exercising any of the patients in the home either.

Another wrinkle? Chris doesn't like other mentally disabled people at all. People on here have asked before - why the hell didn't Chris get with Fiona, who actually liked him? Because he looks down upon other autistics like her, whom he feels superior to.

The homes I was describing to earlier almost always are rooming 2 to a room. So this will be totally new to him since he's used to be stuck on his own little Sonichu planet. Suddenly he will have to deal with having the manners to not disturb another ausitic or mentally disabled roomie. He will have to limit his toys. He won't be allowed to be a slob. For once he will have at least some basic regimen to follow.

Because of this, weens won't be able to do as much damage as they would with homeless Chris, completely at their mercy. Staying there is almost certainly a condition of whatever early release he has.

Re: the staff. They aren't going to be gruff orderlies either. Staff at these places more resemble nurses. They know how to talk to people like Chris, and while it won't be coddling, it's not going to be barking orders either.

 

[King Metalia]

It's so jarring to me whenever I remember Chris is 40 years old. He's probably older than a good chunk of the people on this site but has the maturity of a 15 year old.

He may be 40 but I still think he looks at least 20 years older.

 

[Jon Osterman]

The homes I was describing to earlier almost always are rooming 2 to a room. So this will be totally new to him since he's used to be stuck on his own little Sonichu planet. Suddenly he will have to deal with having the manners to not disturb another ausitic or mentally disabled roomie.

Considering everyone here thinks that Chris having a roommate would go poorly, would the staff make an exception for him? Would they give him his own personal room once he rages at the other tards or no?

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

I'm pretty upset that they're not keeping Chris in jail until his trial, but being placed in a home for the Slow-In-The-Minds is going to be Hell for him anyways. Being allowed to keep only a limited amount of toys could be worse than no toys for Chris too. Because it's not about quality for Chris, it's quantity, and being limited to 5 toys will feel like a tease for Chris; like edging, and not allowed to coom. I give him a month until they have to hold him down and record his screams, and the state will have to find another place to hold this motherfucker.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Considering everyone here thinks that Chris having a roommate would go poorly, would the staff make an exception for him? Would they give him his own personal room once he rages at the other tards or no?

Doubt it. They don't usually have the precious space for 'special' cases like him. His parents fucked him royally by not exposing him to this when he was a teenager. What did they think was going to happen after they died? And yet, this isn't that uncommon, no plan given to the future and you have a middle aged man with serious problems who will have to be trained after his worst habits are already deeply ingrained.

 

[fallen_punk]

Considering everyone here thinks that Chris having a roommate would go poorly, would the staff make an exception for him? Would they give him his own personal room once he rages at the other tards or no?

For financial reason, we have to keep rooms fully occupied. The only way you get a room to yourself is the isolation room. And that generally is not allowed for long periods of time. It requires continuous paperwork. 1 on 1 constant monitoring by a mental health tech. and a really good reason for the doctor to sign off on continued use.

 

[TayandYou]

I'm pretty upset that they're not keeping Chris in jail until his trial

It's beginning to look like there won't even be a trial.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

It's beginning to look like there won't even be a trial.

 

[Lancelot]

In my experience of working with speds, a lot of this behaviour really does show up in autism/learning disabilities on the more severe side, and I don't think its to do with a personality disorder.

Social withdrawal i think is a very easy one to understand- with less understanding of others comes isolation, but also a lot of speds just don't care about making friends and socialising. I don't think chris was one of these people though- his social awkwardness just made it difficult for him to make friends, but he found interaction online instead. He may have been isolated from real people, but I bet chris felt talking with people online was just the same amount of socialisation as irl.

Sensitivity to criticism is extremely common in sped work- it goes hand in hand with not liking being told "no" and not getting their own way. If you go against their viewpoint, they get upset. I've worked with speds that you literally couldn't disagree with, or it would cause a meltdown, so you had to be very careful with your wording. You could view it as their self image crumbling ala narcissism sure, but with autism especially there is a big issue with emotional regulation, so when you tell someone "no" or give them negative feedback, that sadness and disappointment you and I might feel spirals very quickly into a meltdown for many autists. This goes for stuff like envy and anger too. Then, with the lack of social skills there's nothing to really hold back the reaction from the emotions. There's no filter.

Chris is very entitled, but that could easily be because he was spoilt and rarely told no as a child, and now he just expects everyone to give him what he wants as an adult. A common frustration in sped work is you have a good way of dealing with behaviours when the sped is at school/group, but when they go home the family don't continue the same routine so they just never learn to change the behaviour. Chris never had anyone to teach him anything like that, so he still has the child-like "but I want x, so I should be able to have it!" mentality (see: i want my toys @ trial).

I could go on, but tldr. Chris' behaviour is typical autist. Probably lv2, lv3 is usually non verbal level.

Thats what I was saying as well.
People really are too quick to jump to personality disorders citing vague symptoms that match a million things; including mostly autism which we already know he has . Regarding the sensitivity to criticism issue in autists. From what I read its tied into sensitivity to negativity in general. It doesnt matter whether that negativity is an actual bully trying to belittle you or someone kindly giving advice. Its interpreted as hostility ala Jerkops at the mall.

I think autists take an interest in public transportation because it's a complicated yet understandable system, especially trains. Short but wide history, interesting mechanics, complex schedules, and they GOTTA GO FAST. The whole system has many assets to dissect, analyze and understand, yet none of them are abstract - it's all basically numbers.

I can definitely see why people that have a hard time understanding and exploring abstract, emotional and social themes but have a need to fixate on details and mechanisms (that are intricate enough, like trains, but not as complex as, say, medical science) might be interested in that.

Chris on the other hand, well...
For starters, I simply think he is too stupid to understand something as complex as the ins and outs of public transportation. Secondly, Chris needs flashiness, and trains and buses are a bit too dull for that.
And most importantly, I think, Chris' head is already way too "full" to care about any other subject other than the detail-full lore of the fiction he is into. He has to memorize and understand all the story and lore of all those stupid kids' shows, movies and video games he loves so much, not to mention fucking CWCville and its' characters, which at this point probably has more characters and events than the Iliad and the Odyssey combined.

Well sonic as a character concept doesnt check that "systems" interest. Sonic as a game largely does though. Ideally you are moving so fast that you cant really see whats coming. Its a game built around pattern recognition and level memorisation. Fast movements/ visual stimulation with bright colours while repeating through a series of maps for perfect playthrough.
No duh autists would obsess about that.
Also I dont think chris is actually that dumb when it comes to things like that. If he can follow the rules of the road for years to drive; he can figure out transit routes. He just is lazy and there seemingly is little public transit where he has spent his 40 years of his life.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm more interested in the status of the house and his toys moreso than him right now. We still don't know what's going on with them.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

He may be 40 but I still think he looks at least 20 years older.

Chris is obese and has no sense of style. Being fat adds a lot in terms of looking older than you actually are, there are some fat guys who keep that chubby kid look well into adulthood but most end up looking like whales. Besides, apart from his obesity and clownish fashion choices, Chris hardly takes care of himself and has been described as smelling like shit, with his fucking diet of Fast Food it's no fucking surprise he looks much older than he is!

Frankly, Chris at a point looked like a normal guy. Looking back at his old videos, he was on his late 20's and he actually looked much younger despite already being chubby. With some serious weight loss and guidance on how to dress himself and basic care tips, Chris could look normal. He doesn't need to dress like a grown man (and it would look weirder to me, seeing Chris dressed like a guy in his 40's) but could look much better than he currently does if he took any fucking effort to reflect on himself and grow from it. Chris' biggest flaw which lead him down this road was always his incapacity of actually fucking learning something, he would never lead a normal, productive life with his severe autism but Chris could enjoy some easy living with a fellow autistic girlfriend if he simply fucking learned from his bad experiences and worked on marginally improving himself. Fuck, in fact he's actually lucky he didn't get someone that was more bonkers and unhinged than the assholes he met, imagine if someone got him hooked on drugs or something like that, the horror!

Another wrinkle? Chris doesn't like other mentally disabled people at all. People on here have asked before - why the hell didn't Chris get with Fiona, who actually liked him? Because he looks down upon other autistics like her, whom he feels superior to.

Isn't it hilarious how Chris always got fucked over by his own ego? Chris actually believed all of the horseshit he got fed over the years, thinking that people like Shigeru Miyamoto and Vanessa Hudgens would go out of their way to be interested on some random autistic guy from Nowhere, Virginia, feeling he was indeed worthy of such things. And that's what kept him in a circle of getting fucked over by trolls, mocked to shit and then coming back to the stage again and again, always feeling he was the greatest, most handsome man/woman around, never learning from years of being the World's Village Idiot. Chris could be fucking happy, living a shared tugboat or inheritance with someone he had a realistic shot at and playing with his legos until his last breath, but instead he chose to fuck over himself irreparably. Even with the best possible case, it's almost impossible that he will ever go back to how he used to live before the incident. And knowing this guy, odds are he'll still fucking learn nothing at all from jail and the group home!

 

[Chazzed Up]

The narcissism argument needs to be dropped at this point. I already replied myself to say I wasn't implying he had a personality disorder, only that he had traits that are narcissistic in nature, seems that went unreplied to though. I guess we will just continue to attribute vague traits to autism instead. Most autistic people I've met have been perfectly happy indulging in their niche interests quietly, Chris is probably the only one I've ever seen who needed public recognition for everything he did (muh honor roll). This autism stuff is how Chris continues to never get held accountable for anything, because everyone around him has waved off his escalating boldness and impulsive behavior as "just the tism". Comorbid psychiatric problems are incredibly common in the mentally ill so trying to pin every problem he has on autism is itself remarkably retarded. If his parents had actually ever imposed boundaries on him instead of allowing autism to always be the excuse, we may well not be where we are right now.

Absolutely every antisocial behavior at this point gets classified as autism. Just being an asshole in general is now called Aspeger's in fact.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

The narcissism argument needs to be dropped at this point. I already replied myself to say I wasn't implying he had a personality disorder, only that he had traits that are narcissistic in nature, seems that went unreplied to though. I guess we will just continue to attribute vague traits to autism instead. Most autistic people I've met have been perfectly happy indulging in their niche interests quietly, Chris is probably the only one I've ever seen who needed public recognition for everything he did (muh honor roll). This autism stuff is how Chris continues to never get held accountable for anything, because everyone around him has waved off his escalating boldness and impulsive behavior as "just the tism". Comorbid psychiatric problems are incredibly common in the mentally ill so trying to pin every problem he has on autism is itself remarkably retarded. If his parents had actually ever imposed boundaries on him instead of allowing autism to always be the excuse, we may well not be where we are right now.

Absolutely every antisocial behavior at this point gets classified as autism. Just being an asshole in general is now called Aspeger's in fact.

Chris's lack of respect for boundaries and selfishness aren't that uncommon among some autistics. In fact I know one just a little younger than him that is very similar to Chris but not as exhibitionist. The provocative behavior I've seen before but mostly actually in female autistics, who have a separate problem - they are often promiscuous.

Just take it from someone who knows this field. There is no doubt that he is autistic although since I'm not examining him I can't tell you exactly how bad he is. Bad parenting and coddling but also the later exposure to weens brought out all the worst traits of his. Even though his parents were bad at their jobs, I noticed a lack of respect from Chris toward his parents. Particularly disgusting to me was seeing the letter where he says he cucked his own father.

 

[BobJones997]

The narcissism argument needs to be dropped at this point. I already replied myself to say I wasn't implying he had a personality disorder, only that he had traits that are narcissistic in nature, seems that went unreplied to though. I guess we will just continue to attribute vague traits to autism instead. Most autistic people I've met have been perfectly happy indulging in their niche interests quietly, Chris is probably the only one I've ever seen who needed public recognition for everything he did (muh honor roll). This autism stuff is how Chris continues to never get held accountable for anything, because everyone around him has waved off his escalating boldness and impulsive behavior as "just the tism". Comorbid psychiatric problems are incredibly common in the mentally ill so trying to pin every problem he has on autism is itself remarkably retarded. If his parents had actually ever imposed boundaries on him instead of allowing autism to always be the excuse, we may well not be where we are right now.

Absolutely every antisocial behavior at this point gets classified as autism. Just being an asshole in general is now called Aspeger's in fact.

I mean it is possible that he does have npd. Barb almost certainly has it and it can be genetic. But I personally think Chris's narcissism is caused by the combination of being a retard and bad parenting.

Fun fact: Some people who are on the dark triad of personality disorders can actually be identified by their eyes. They have what's known as "psychopath eyes" where they have a really intense and unsettling stare.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Chris's lack of respect for boundaries and selfishness aren't that uncommon among some autistics. In fact I know one just a little younger than him that is very similar to Chris but not as exhibitionist. The provocative behavior I've seen before but mostly actually in female autistics, who have a separate problem - they are often promiscuous.

Just take it from someone who knows this field. There is no doubt that he is autistic although since I'm not examining him I can't tell you exactly how bad he is. Bad parenting and coddling but also the later exposure to weens brought out all the worst traits of his. Even though his parents were bad at their jobs, I noticed a lack of respect from Chris toward his parents. Particularly disgusting to me was seeing the letter where he says he cucked his own father.

He absolutely is autistic, but all his behaviors are not attributable to that. I've known autists to be overly self-focused, yet none of them were nearly as self-aggrandizing as Chris is. He started out focusing all of his creative energy on a self-insert comic intended primarily to be an expression of him defeating anyone who affronted him in any way, and since then he's become a goddess, Jesus, and in control of all reality. His tone comes off as extremely narcissistic. I've never seen anyone with "just autism" act like him. I have no idea what other mental problems he may have but I do not think his level of self-obsession is a normal autism trait at all.

Autistic people are not exempt from the ability to be shitty just as people like Ralph or Chantal are. Chris has serious personality issues, whether that is a disorder or not is debatable but it's certainly not inherently autism. Anyone else more competent than Chris who has actually succeeding in doing things like starting a cult were not autistic, I feel pretty confident on that point. Chris has a desire to manipulate others but lacks the intelligence to do so.

 

[troon patrol]

I always thought of Chris as retarded first and autistic second.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Just take it from someone who knows this field. There is no doubt that he is autistic although since I'm not examining him I can't tell you exactly how bad he is

I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.

 

[AnOminous]

He doesn't need to dress like a grown man (and it would look weirder to me, seeing Chris dressed like a guy in his 40's) but could look much better than he currently does if he took any fucking effort to reflect on himself and grow from it.

The most normal he ever looked was the "gay trucker" getup.

I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.

Of all the things we can say about Chris, one of the few rock-solid ones is that he is in fact autistic in the literal, clinical sense. Trust the science. He's not only a stereotypical autist by every meaningful definition, but has been found to be by actual doctors, and at a time before it was a fashionable diagnosis for middle class white kids (instead of just getting diagnosed retarded).

Now the question then becomes what the fuck else is wrong with him because that's clearly just one of the things.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.

Yeah that's what I don't agree with. I've seen some people who claim that he's lying and he's actually just a stupid lazy nerd. Just as an example, the part of the cwcki that discusses Chris's work history I think hits all the wrong points as though his problem was just being a lazy neet and barely mentions autism. The only autistics I've ever known to be able to hold jobs have been specialized jobs that were set up for people with issues like that, or they were very carefully managed in a simple job like a grocery bagger. I don't mean mild cases like people with Asperger's. If Chris were attempt to work again, he would probably repeat almost exactly what happened at Wendy's in the early 2000s.

But it's probably true that isn't just it. He could very well have other undiagnosed mental problems. What he has I'm not sure of and I don't want to be unethical by attempting to diagnose from afar.