Aug 11 2022 - Case updated with "Waive right to indictment" and "transportation order" - Review scheduled for next year

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Ken_Penders69 said:
-DNA evidence of chris diddling his mom
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Speculation. We do not know if there is any DNA evidence.

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-history of violence offenses
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Heilberg would most definitely try to make any mention of previous crimes inadmissible.

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-history of stalking and sexual harassment
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As above. Also hearsay.

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-obvious sham "transgender status"
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His gender is irrelevant to the law.

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-clear abuse of his autism disability status to be a wellfare leach and get out of consequences in the past that went unpunished
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Irrelevant.

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-confessed his crimes to multiple people
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Only relevant thing here, but only if they subpoena the parties he confessed to in order to get the phonecalls/texts or testimony.

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-no regret for his actions
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That would most likely only be relevant in sentencing, if at all.

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-clear intent to reoffend
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Hearsay, and even if it's not, it would again only be relevant in sentencing.

We all want to see Chris fry, but come on, be reasonable.
The legal system is, well, a system. There are rules. Your idea of a "trial" is more akin to an angry mob.
 
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Ken_Penders69 said:
America's criminal justice system fucking sucks lol I get that this is supposed to make things fair but if I was a juror (even if I had NEVER heard of chris) the facts would be laid out.

-DNA evidence of chris diddling his mom

-history of violence offenses

-history of stalking and sexual harassment

-obvious sham "transgender status"

-clear abuse of his autism disability status to be a wellfare leach and get out of consequences in the past that went unpunished

-confessed his crimes to multiple people

-no regret for his actions

-clear intent to reoffend

I feel like a jury could make decision on this in a week. A year is an ungodly about of time to come to a decision on such a clearly open/shut case.

Maybe if chris was a boomer in some far left place like Portland or San Francisco I could see a bunch of old hippies "wanting to think about it" but really?!? In red right wing virgina they aren't gunna throw the book at him and move on an obvious degenerate tyranny faggot rapist.
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Dude, everything you said is exactly why a deferred disposition exists.
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I don’t think he could have been released this fast. A lot has to happen before the judge grants probation, namely:

- Chris has to enter a plea
- a formal dx of ASD by a psychiatrist/psychologist
- Judge has to consider all evidence presented and confer with both sides (and consider Barb’s side too)
- judge must get Chris’s consent and (big one)
- judge must decide what terms and conditions Chris must meet to satisfy the probation.
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Again, the most/highly likely scenario is that this was negotiated and agreed-to ahead of the grand jury date. This would likely freeze the prosecution in time - potentially, if Chris fails to meet the probation terms and it's determined that he should be prosecuted for felony incest, you go back to seeking an indictment.
 
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Um... said:
I don’t think he could have been released this fast. A lot has to happen before the judge grants probation, namely:


- a formal dx of ASD by a psychiatrist/psychologist
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This already happened; that entire outing to the State Hospital for 3 months almost certainly was related to this exactly. I highly doubt the Autism deferral was a new idea by his lawyer, he's been working on it probably almost from the start he got the case, and the evaluation by the state hospital was almost certainly this.

That's typically how this works with the state - "your client is autistic? we need to verify that with the state hospital system" - there was really no other reason to have held him for that long there unless they were evaluating him.
 
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My honest guess is that his time in jail was used for served time so far and he was given a sealed parole due to being a tard.
Anyone who thought this faggot would finally be sent to the prison he so richly deserves can rest well knowing the tranny to granny connection was indeed the merge and Chris has got out scott free.
 
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My Name is Mud said:
Speculation. We do not know if there is any DNA evidence.


Heilberg would most definitely try to make any mention of previous crimes inadmissible.


As above. Also hearsay.


His gender is irrelevant to the law.


Irrelevant.


Only relevant thing here, but only if they subpoena the parties he confessed to in order to get the phonecalls/texts or testimony.


That would most likely only be relevant in sentencing, if at all.


Hearsay, and even if it's not, it would again only be relevant in sentencing.

We all want to see Chris fry, but come on, be reasonable.
The legal system is, well, a system. There are rules. Your idea of a "trial" is more akin to an angry mob.
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There is the recording of his conversation in which he speaks to Bella about it.
Is it admissible?
I know there is fuckery about whether or not it counts from a two party or one party state, but the very fact it was basically made public on the internet means it is pretty damn good probable cause at least.
 
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Cherenkovblue said:
Well, given much of the details on VINE have been scrubbed clean, it would seem the ween's assertion that (Sieg) Heilberg petitioned for the case to be sealed has indeed been granted. Moreover, the scheduling of the case review one year from now combined with a transportation order dated yesterday, all things considered, points to Chris having been granted his deferred disposition. Exactly where he ends up is anyone's guess. It's very likely we won't be hearing anything out of the Teflon Tard for months, if not until next year. This is perhaps the worst possible outcome for weens hoping to move Chris on to the next saga, the worst possible outcome for those hoping Chris would finally get a taste of justice, but still an acceptable outcome insofar as it keeps him the fuck off the streets.

TL;DR Unless and until Chris chimps out majorly and winds up back in court... we're not getting our Tard Trial. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe!!!!!
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The only way we'll know is if Chris livestreams via McDonald's WIFI. Unless there's a court order forbidding Chris to use social media.
 
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Georges St. Pierre said:
The LAST place they would put someone with mental illness accused of sexual assault is a group home.
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not true, their are group homes that are specifically for folks who have criminal history but are disabled and or mentally ill , and they have staff that specifically deals with that type of client, in fact we had a couple of clients in homes with high supervision and security because they had prior sexual assault, one guy was also a repeat arsonist, but was on the higher end of moderately retarded, OCD, autistic tendencies, and was schizo- effective with paranoia . and he was in one of our high level supervision group homes that had staff 24-7, with locks and alarms galore too.
 
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PhoBingas said:
I thought the deep lore was that it was some sort of revolver. If it wasn't the revolver that Barb brandished at / nearly shot Cole with then Bob could have got rid of it some time after Chris started his spat with PVCC, not wanting him to be the next VTech shooter. I think that was happening around that time. I'd have pawned it, given it to a family member or sold it if I was Bob, if only because Chris even back in the day didn't have the strongest grasp on reality by Bob's admission.
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It wasn’t the gun Barb almost shot Cole with. That was owned by her ex-husband and Cole’s other stepdad. I know next to nothing about guns, but it was some sort of handgun.

The good news for anyone worried Chris will shoot someone is even if he could get the safety off, he would probably trip and shoot himself in the head thus ending this whole sorry affair.
 
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FinnSven said:
There is the recording of his conversation in which he speaks to Bella about it.
Is it admissible?
I know there is fuckery about whether or not it counts from a two party or one party state, but the very fact it was basically made public on the internet means it is pretty damn good probable cause at least.
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If all they have is the confession by Chris, they have no case. It's not difficult to demonstrate that Chris is stupid, delusional and has a history of saying or being forced to say weird shit. Nobody would simply take Chris's word for it when he claimed to have swapped bodies with Sonichu, why should anybody take Chris's word for it when he claimed to fuck his mom? Chris is an unreliable source, that means everything he says has the potential to be bullshit. Nothing he says should be believed without corroboration or evidence.

Since the case is still going on, they must've found something else to back his claim up. Not necessarily DNA since Chris claimed he used a condom.
 
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My Name is Mud said:
His gender is irrelevant to the law.
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From a legal perspective, yes. But you know what juries are like. They'll take one look at him, think to themselves 'Well of course he did it, he's a tranny degenerate' and, let's be honest, unless Chris' attorney is Johnny Cochran reincarnated, it can only go downhill from there once the prosecution presents its case.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Penders. The jury wouldn't even take three hours to deliberate this case, it's that clear cut
 
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Lancelot said:
Not just that but a history of making up complex fictions that he "merges" into reality. Even if almost everyone agrees he almost certainly did it. It still remains true that this could entirely just be a chris fantasy .
There is certainly reasonable doubt
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Agreed.

I think Chris did it, but I also understand that I'm relying on very little evidence other than Chris's word. The prosecution might have found more evidence, or they might not have, we don't know at this stage. Theoretically, it is possible that Chris simply lied to everyone and made shit up for some dumb reason or another, maybe to conduct the divine test he was ranting about, but in my opinion I think it's very unlikely to be the case. However, if Heilberg knows that the prosecution doesn't have any strong evidence like DNA, this is one approach he could take to defend Chris in a trial.
 
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