Aug 11 2022 - Case updated with "Waive right to indictment" and "transportation order" - Review scheduled for next year

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TayandYou said:
If all they have is the confession by Chris, they have no case. It's not difficult to demonstrate that Chris is stupid, delusional and has a history of saying or being forced to say weird shit. Nobody would simply take Chris's word for it when he claimed to have swapped bodies with Sonichu, why should anybody take Chris's word for it when he claimed to fuck his mom? Chris is an unreliable source, that means everything he says has the potential to be bullshit. Nothing he says should be believed without corroboration or evidence.

Since the case is still going on, they must've found something else to back his claim up. Not necessarily DNA since Chris claimed he used a condom.
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Yes, just Chris saying he did it is not enough.
There would need to be verification from other evidence, eyewitness statement, semen on the sheets, even a used condom with his spunk inside and barbs juices without.

But is this recording admissible as evidence, supporting evidence, not the thing the case is hinging on.

Chris can always retract a confession.
 
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Friend of Dorothy Parker said:
Dude, everything you said is exactly why a deferred disposition exists.

Again, the most/highly likely scenario is that this was negotiated and agreed-to ahead of the grand jury date. This would likely freeze the prosecution in time - potentially, if Chris fails to meet the probation terms and it's determined that he should be prosecuted for felony incest, you go back to seeking an indictment.
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BootlegPopeye said:
This already happened; that entire outing to the State Hospital for 3 months almost certainly was related to this exactly. I highly doubt the Autism deferral was a new idea by his lawyer, he's been working on it probably almost from the start he got the case, and the evaluation by the state hospital was almost certainly this.

That's typically how this works with the state - "your client is autistic? we need to verify that with the state hospital system" - there was really no other reason to have held him for that long there unless they were evaluating him.
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Well shit, you guys might be right. I just hope that with all this bending over backwards to grant leniency to the poor Autist, the judge doesn’t overlook the fact that this guy is a straight-up sexual predator. Those texts or whatever where Chris was bragging about his conquest of ‘Barbie’ where he was all ‘At first she said it hurt but I was *verrry patient* and she came around and liked it when I put the whole thing in’ that’s right out of a pedophile’s playbook and it’s scary and creepy as hell. That could be any pedophile talking about an underage victim.

I hope the judge has seen those. Chris needs to be treated like any other sexual predator, not afforded special treatment because *AUTISM*.
 
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TayandYou said:
Agreed.

I think Chris did it, but I also understand that I'm relying on very little evidence other than Chris's word. The prosecution might have found more evidence, or they might not have, we don't know at this stage. Theoretically, it is possible that Chris simply lied to everyone and made shit up for some dumb reason or another, maybe to conduct the divine test he was ranting about, but in my opinion I think it's very unlikely to be the case. However, if Heilberg knows that the prosecution doesn't have any strong evidence like DNA, this is one approach he could take to defend Chris in a trial.
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I doubt they'd hold him for a year on no other evidence than his word. Especially given his documented severe mental problems.
 
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TayandYou said:
If all they have is the confession by Chris, they have no case. It's not difficult to demonstrate that Chris is stupid, delusional and has a history of saying or being forced to say weird shit. Nobody would simply take Chris's word for it when he claimed to have swapped bodies with Sonichu, why should anybody take Chris's word for it when he claimed to fuck his mom? Chris is an unreliable source, that means everything he says has the potential to be bullshit. Nothing he says should be believed without corroboration or evidence.

Since the case is still going on, they must've found something else to back his claim up. Not necessarily DNA since Chris claimed he used a condom.
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My speculation on what the prosecution's evidence consists of:
  • Old women tend to bruise easily. The physician that examined Barb in the aftermath of the wellness check likely would have found the barbussy was bruised, consistent with someone recently banging it. Additional patterns of bruising on her body were probably also observed and recorded.
  • Chris did not exercise his right to remain silent and talked to police interrogators. Those interrogators do not stop with a simple admission to the crime. So long as the suspect is talking, they will work to get as many details as possible. It is likely they have a recorded confession from Chris where he describes exactly what positions he used with Barb, and they may have even gotten him to physically mime out the positions. There is a good chance the positions described by Chris match up with patterns of bruising on Barb.
  • Miscellaneous evidence that counters or limits potential defenses. Responding officers saw no signs of forced entry, so nobody broke in and raped Barb. The physician testifies that Barb's arthritis/lack of body strength means she couldn't have inflicted the barbussy bruising on herself. Etc.
It would be a strong case. It's not an airtight slam-dunk, but it is not so wobbly that the defense could wave away Chris's admissions as tard talk.
 
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Say the police did their job and found a condom with DNA that gives the prosecution its Phoenix Wright moment, then "yes, he did it but its because hes retarded," is Heilburg's best defense, and also your biggest challenge, given the client, because the only thing Chris wants to do less than admit guilt is admit he's a retard.

Its like when the murderer obviously did it and the defense is just trying to explain the mitigating circumstances, to get out of the death penalty.
 
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FinnSven said:
Yes, just Chris saying he did it is not enough.
There would need to be verification from other evidence, eyewitness statement, semen on the sheets, even a used condom with his spunk inside and barbs juices without.

But is this recording admissible as evidence, supporting evidence, not the thing the case is hinging on.

Chris can always retract a confession.
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Me reading that second sentence:
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Um... said:
Well shit, you guys might be right. I just hope that with all this bending over backwards to grant leniency to the poor Autist, the judge doesn’t overlook the fact that this guy is a straight-up sexual predator. Those texts or whatever where Chris was bragging about his conquest of ‘Barbie’ where he was all ‘At first she said it hurt but I was *verrry patient* and she came around and liked it when I put the whole thing in’ that’s right out of a pedophile’s playbook and it’s scary and creepy as hell. That could be any pedophile talking about an underage victim.

I hope the judge has seen those. Chris needs to be treated like any other sexual predator, not afforded special treatment because *AUTISM*.
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All the more reason why Chris needs to be on the SOR. Chris has a history of sexual misbehavior. Yes, at times Chris was trolled into some acts, however, Chris was treated by his parents as an 'adult' because he was mainstreamed, and they told him some people may lie to him over the phone or online, advice which Chris ignored. Borb never felt inclined to supervise him because they took his side on most things - big mistake. In this instance, Chris wasn't trolled, he knew what he wanted to do, and he went for it. Even in some social media posts, while deluding himself in being in a polyamorous relationship with fictional characters, he still bitches about being lonely.
 
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A-№1 said:
But Heilberg would have had nothing to do with the grand jury. Any order for a continuance would have had to come from the presiding judge. Presumably, that is. I have never heard of any case where the grand jury was cock blocked like this before getting to hand down an indictment. Even the one where the defendant died, they still indicted his corpse.
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It's literally shit that doesn't happen. Ever. And it just did.
 
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Elbow Greased Strength said:
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Looks like he's going somewhere but it's not 14BC. "Waive right to indictment" means they can charge him directly without even going through the grand jury.

What's interesting is the case is scheduled for review in September 2023.
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Which sounds like a deferment to me.

The juice is about to be loose. Oh dear. Start the deadpool gentlemen.
 
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Radical Goodspeed said:
Which sounds like a deferment to me.

The juice is about to be loose. Oh dear. Start the deadpool gentlemen.
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Normally you don't need a transportation order if someone's getting out so maybe he is going to a halfway house. That makes sense to me if it's a felony deferred disposition, not to mention of course he has nowhere else to go or live.
 
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BootlegPopeye said:
They also would not issue a continuance for that far out a date. And one year out is oddly specific. It is almost certainly something related to a probationary period. They are deferring prosecution for the next year as long as he stays out of trouble is what it sounds like.
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Right, they'll be reviewing his case at that time and if he's complied with all of the conditions they will drop the charges at that date. I really think he's going to a halfway house or other shelter.
 
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Would there be some detail posted if they sent him to a state hospital? To me that seems like it would make as much sense for placement as group home or halfway house given his situation.
 
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ln18 said:
Would there be some detail posted if they sent him to a state hospital?
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Normally yes, but since the judge has sealed the records we can not know. Unless you wanna call every single hospital, asylum, halfway house, tard group house etc in the area and ask, we can not be certain.
For what it's worth though, he is still shown as in-custody in his jail's website.
 
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