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link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628

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Australia to get nuclear-powered submarines, will scrap $90b program to build French-designed subs​

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene, political editor Andrew Probyn and foreign affairs reporter Stephen Dziedzic

Posted 1 hours ago, updated 41 minutes ago

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The controversial plan to build French-designed submarines in Australia will be scrapped. (Supplied: DCNS)

Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.

Key points:​

  • Joe Biden is expected to make an announcement at 7:00am AEST
  • The ABC understands the Prime Minister convened a National Security Committee of Cabinet yesterday
  • It's expected that there will be an increased presence of American nuclear subs in the region
The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating strategic environment.

Australia, the United States and Britain are expected to jointly announce a new trilateral security partnership on Thursday, with a focus on aligning technology and regional challenges.

But Australia's embrace of nuclear-powered submarines will have its political and technological challenges, given there is no domestic nuclear industry.

The new three-nation security pact – called AUKUS – will be seen by China as a bid to counter its regional influence, especially in the contested South China Sea.

The nuclear submarines would likely be based in WA.

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In April 2016 Australia awarded French contractor DCNS the main contract to design and build its next generation of submarines to replace its current fleet of six Collins-class vessels. (Peter Parks/AFP/Getty)

In 2017, the Turnbull government announced French company Naval Group (then known as DCNS) had been selected for this country's largest-ever defence contract, to design and build "regionally superior" conventional submarines.

The ABC understands Prime Minister Scott Morrison convened a National Security Committee of Cabinet on Tuesday ahead of coordinated announcements in Washington and London.

Cabinet ministers were given special COVID exemptions to travel to Canberra for the top-secret discussions.

In a highly unusual step, the Prime Minister also invited Labor leader Anthony Albanese and three of his senior shadow ministers to be briefed on the plan.

American media reports say US President Joe Biden is scheduled to deliver "brief remarks about a national security initiative" on Wednesday afternoon in Washington local time.

A well-placed military source has told the ABC the Defence Department's general manager of submarines, Greg Sammut, has called an urgent "clear lower decks" meeting for tomorrow morning to discuss the dramatic development.

Another senior official said "top secret" briefings have been arranged at the Defence Department on Thursday.

Inside military circles there is also speculation that the transition to a new nuclear submarine program could initially be overseen by Retired US Vice Admiral William Hilarides, who chairs the federal government's Naval Shipbuilding Expert Advisory Panel.

Government sources say Mr Morrison tried unsuccessfully to line up a phone call with French President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday, but it has now been instead scheduled for Thursday.

The ABC has been told that news of Australia's decision was instead delivered to Paris by the secretary of the Defence Department Greg Moriarty.
Allied naval presence is expected to increase north of Australia — including in the contested South China Sea — as part of a coordinated tri-continental push against Beijing territorial aggression.

Australia, the United States and Britain are expected to reorient their submarine and warship fleets to counter China's increasing regional presence.

Regional diplomatic missions across Canberra are expecting to be briefed on the announcement on Thursday afternoon.


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A brief history on the Attack-class subs:

- DCNS won the contract, their design was to convert their nuclear submarine design 'Barracuda' to diesel-electric
- The Australian Government spent AUD 90+ Billion since 2017 (4 years) and none of the subs have even started construction
- Hold-ups were caused by disputes between the Australian contractors and shipyards building it and DCNS, and issues with the Dept Defence and DCNS
- Now the government wants to scrap the program and build nuclear subs. We still ship our nuclear waste to France, so they haven't completely lost out.

In short, we wasted 90 Billion when we could have just gone with the original nuclear sub's design and tweaked it.

Weirdly enough, the article was already archived right as it was published.​
 
Fucking finally. They probably could have had a Suffren or Virginia already had they not tried to reinvent the wheel with that diesel-electric Frankenstein Barracuda Australia was trying to nigger-rig together.

Also, congrats China. You officially played yourself. If you're going to make a move on Taiwan, better do it soon, because once these boats come online, you're entire merchant fleet with be joining Imperial Japan's as non-consensual reef donations to all the fish your trawlers fucked with.
 
Wouldn't be the first time either, IIRC Australia bought a bunch of Yurocopters that ended up being a massive headache and is just going to replace them with Apaches instead.
They did. In fact it was such a shitshow that they were looking at replacing them before they'd even reached full operational capability:
“The Tiger has had a troubled history – essential upgrades are programmed to maintain the capability’s effectiveness. Defence will invest in a future armed reconnaissance capability to replace the Tiger, which could include manned or unmanned systems or a combination of both, to be introduced from the mid-2020s,” the White Paper said.


Eight months later, in September 2016, the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) delivered another blow: in a 64-page report on the Tiger it identified 76 “capability deficiencies”, of which the Department of Defence (DoD) deemed 60 to be “critical”.


“The Tiger helicopter fleet has not yet delivered the original capability expected by the Australian government, and continues to experience higher than expected sustainment costs and lower than expected aircraft availability,” said the ANAO.


“On average, only 3.5 aircraft in the operational fleet of 16 helicopters were available on any given day in 2015,” it said. This was below targeted readiness of 12 aircraft.
 
Wouldn't be the first time either, IIRC Australia bought a bunch of Yurocopters that ended up being a massive headache and is just going to replace them with Apaches instead.
The Australia Royal Flying Doctor seem to be liking their Euro built planes though. They have 34 Pilatus PC-12s but that's complimented with 30 + 10 Beechcraft King Air variants so I guess it's split with a slight favor towards the American aircraft. Don't blame em. Beech are awesome.
 
Interesting. The UK just told a French company to fuck off with its ordered vaccines, now Australia is doing this. There might be some low key trade war shit starting up here.
 
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Interesting. The UK just told a French company to fuck off with its ordered vaccines, now Australia is doing this. There might be some low key trade war shit starting up here.
Nah the vaccine thing was because we ordered too many, and don't need these, and this is just someone finally telling a defence company to pound sand when they pull their usuall delay-to-drive-up-costs shite.
 
Nah the vaccine thing was because we ordered too many, and don't need these, and this is just someone finally telling a defence company to pound sand when they pull their usuall delay-to-drive-up-costs shite.
Aye, saw the details of it, but for the two to happen so close makes me wonder.
Either way I anticipate French seething. Maybe they'll threaten to cut off the power to an island again.
 
Cool they can do their own patrols and stuff now. Hope their people think it's necessary.
 
Aye, saw the details of it, but for the two to happen so close makes me wonder.
Either way I anticipate French seething. Maybe they'll threaten to cut off the power to an island again.
Just a case of fortuitous timing imo. That being said French seethe is all but guaranteed, especially if the UK (probably through BAE) is in anyway involved in the replacements. Frankly I'm looking forward to it, because fuck em.

They won't be able to visit New Zealand, due to the rampant faggotry there, correct?
Correct. NZ doesn't allow nuclear powered (or nuclear armed) ships within their territorial waters on account of them being massive pussies. Doesn't really make much difference since I can't imagine why the Aussie subs would want to go there
 
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Congrats on getting the subs, Susie's. You must be pretty proud of your nation's leader, Prime Minister That Fellow Down Under.
 
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Brillitant idea to replace useless subs with other useless subs...

Nuclear powered Subs are only good if they are armed with nukes.

They had 3 good Subs in their original competition. all 3 are superior to what they bought now and could have already been delivered.
 
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