Autism

[Watcher]

>Bill Gates
>Albert Einstein
>Thomas Jefferson
>autism

Yeah there's a lot of famous historical individuals that people claim were autistic despite never being diagnosed and being actually highly social. Like Albert Einstein had multiple wives and played sports.

A lot of the evidence people have is supposed social ineptitude or just being an asshole. Like I read someone claim Stanley Kubrick had "autistic traits" because he had an enormous attention to detail in his films and because he was an asshole to the people he knew.

They seem to think being quirky, reclusive and brilliant are traits exclusive to people with autism. When in reality none of those traits are embodied by autistics.

 

[StarvingAutist]

oh really?

I've seen feats of 'tard strength that neurotyps could only dream of.

 

[Conrix]

I've seen feats of 'tard strength that neurotyps could only dream of.

It's almost like the only thing autistic people are good at is throwing temper tantrums.

 

[AnOminous]

Whats wrong with Autism speaks?

Antivax idiocy. Supposedly they've stopped pimping that shit, but anyone who did it even once is shit forever as far as I care.

 

[StarvingAutist]

Whats wrong with Autism speaks?

--An important part of any disability organization is "Nothing about us without us!"; that is, the group should encourage and foster the voices of the disabled. Autism Speaks has had only one member of the autism spectrum, author John Elder Robinson. And he left the organization on sour terms. Imagine if the NAACP was lead entirely by white people. That's what it feels like to us.
--Up until 2009, they placed spending money on anti-vaccine research as "high priority"
--They spend more covering salaries for employees than on any autism work
--The way they characterize autism is exaggerated at best and wholly inaccurate at worst. Autism is not a disease. The way they depict us is that we're changeling children that had their "lives stolen" by a simple difference in brain wiring, and that we're just destined to be empty shells. They refer to children on the autism spectrum as "missing", as if they've been kidnapped, including the founders' own grandson. At best it's melodramatic but at worst it's dehumanizing.
--They sponsor the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center in Massachusetts. Or, as I like to call it, "Autswitz". It's a torture camp that punishes noncompliance with electric shocks to the skin.

Again, sorry for :powerlevel:, but I needed to get this off my chest. Autism Speaks is the worst.

 

[The 25th Cyberman]

--They sponsor the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center in Massachusetts. Or, as I like to call it, "Autswitz". It's a torture camp that punishes noncompliance with electric shocks to the skin.

Good!

 

[Hat]

--An important part of any disability organization is "Nothing about us without us!"; that is, the group should encourage and foster the voices of the disabled. Autism Speaks has had only one member of the autism spectrum, author John Elder Robinson. And he left the organization on sour terms. Imagine if the NAACP was lead entirely by white people. That's what it feels like to us.

Spergs can hardly be relied upon to use the toilet correctly much less effectively run an organization.

--The way they characterize autism is exaggerated at best and wholly inaccurate at worst. Autism is not a disease. The way they depict us is that we're changeling children that had their "lives stolen" by a simple difference in brain wiring, and that we're just destined to be empty shells. They refer to children on the autism spectrum as "missing", as if they've been kidnapped, including the founders' own grandson. At best it's melodramatic but at worst it's dehumanizing.

lol Who gives a fuck?

 

[OtterParty]

Whats wrong with Autism speaks?

Autists should be seen and not heard

 

[Positron]

Autism is not a disease.

It is.

 

[sapir&worf]

It is a disease, but not in the sense of 'oooooh stay ten feet away or you'll catch the spergs'

A disease is defined as "a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury."

 

[Watcher]

It is a disease, but not in the sense of 'oooooh stay ten feet away or you'll catch the spergs'

A disease is defined as "a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury."

Which is the dictionary definition, and a really broad oversimplification of what a disease is. By this definition, obesity is a disease because it is also a disorder of structure or function in a human that produces specific signs or symptoms.

 

[UptownRuckus]

You said it brother, these people are the ones that REALLY make autistics look bad, not Christian Weston Chandler like alot of weens say (though, I believe he's used his autism as an excuse before but whatever im going off topic) but the people that look for something else to blame their problems on, especially when they have something so easy to use like autism.

There's alot of autistic success stories like Temple Grandin. So it's REALLY painful when I see someone say things like "I'm autistic so you should've expected me to do [bad thing]" or "I have autism so I can't help doing [bad thing]"

These people don't have an excuse and as you've said, as long as they just work on their shit, they can be a functioning adult. I wish I knew more people who felt this same mindset.

Yeah...As someone with Autism it really pisses me off when another uses it as an excuse. BECAUSE I KNOW IT ISNT

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Autism Speaks cultivated the concept of "autism moms". Anything that would involve getting parents to actually parent is conspicuously absent from their playbook, instead they're all about asspatting and making them feel like they're victims for having a disabled sprog. As such, you get a lot of kids who are essentially incapable of becoming functional adults, because they're regarded by their parents as nothing more than a . It's pretty shit that it's seen as the de facto autism organization when there's so much they're failing to provide.

 

[StarvingAutist]

Good!

there really needs to be an "OW THE EDGE" rating.

 

[StarvingAutist]

I need to explain further about why I singled out the way Autism Speaks portrays autistic people for criticism:

Most of us just want to be normal. Not, like, cured or anything, but to have the same opportunities that the neurotyps have. We need to learn how to effectively mask it, how to live in the real world.

Autism Speaks? They just tell parents of autistic children that none of us will ever get better, that we're just empty shells, that we just need to wait around to completely eliminate them from existence.

This guy put it better than I did:

Autism Speaks cultivated the concept of "autism moms". Anything that would involve getting parents to actually parent is conspicuously absent from their playbook, instead they're all about asspatting and making them feel like they're victims for having a disabled sprog. As such, you get a lot of kids who are essentially incapable of becoming functional adults, because they're regarded by their parents as nothing more than a . It's pretty shit that it's seen as the de facto autism organization when there's so much they're failing to provide.

 

[Heimdallr]

I can't totally speak for your brother, as autism is different for all and I am a chick, but you're right about the over the top coddling. It comes back to the whole concept of 'tough love.' He didn't feel the need to show up for practices, and was late, and all that, which comes with the consequences of losing his position with the play. The director of the play is damn right. There's no scenario on earth where being late is justified by autism. And your dad doing everything is only reinforcing his lack of accountability.

I dunno if anyone of you see a therapist already, but if you should maybe family therapy would be helpful. Less in the sense of group therapy for all them mental illnesses but more like relationship building and working on strategies to make the way your parents and him relate as a whole.

I've been through all this shit with my parents, dude, and I get it, but your brother is not going to make any progress without some sort of separation, and that can be really hard to get on your own. I had to move out to get mine.

Of course she was right. I do feel however, that either she should have been informed of his condition, my brother should have been prepared by father and mother the summer before (she doesn't work btw), or just been trained to advocate for himself, to explain his condition before he undertakes something.

She was right, but I felt for him all the same. I feel bad for him, because I think there should and could have been some reasonable effort to prepare him for the world outside of high school. The worst was how my mom reacted. She kind of yelled at him. I get it. She was angry about him losing out on a nice social opprotunity (if it worked out), but then again its just clear he needs more help than what he has gotten or will get.



He does have a psychologist btw. They sent him there the day after the student director coldly but firmly told my mother NO. They also sent him to her the day after he sent some "fresh" message to a girl on facebook he liked.

They pay someone to do the job they either can or will not do. I love my little brother, but I feel he is being ill prepared for the future. Perhaps I should take a more active role

 

[DuskEngine]

disorder of structure or function in a human that produces specific signs or symptoms.

That is literally what a disease is. The colloquial definition needs some kind of pathological vector involved but the colloquial definition is wrong.

 

[Watcher]

That is literally what a disease is. The colloquial definition needs some kind of pathological vector involved but the colloquial definition is wrong.

I did not disagree with that definition. I was pointing out using the word disease is inappropriate because it's an extremely broad definition to use for a very specific condition. Like I used the example of obesity, which by this definition is technically a disease, isn't generally considered one. In the case of autism a better word that doctors use is disorder.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Technically, yes, autism is a disease. However, the popular narrative that it's something like a terminal illness that "takes away" children is pretty commonly regarded as off-base. Since its symptoms start appearing in a child's formative years, they tend to grow up thinking of autistic traits as a part of themselves, rather than some kind of external force preying upon them; not to mention that the narrative is often alarmist enough that you'd think the kids were actually dying.

Then again I'm probably going to literally die of autism for putting all these effortposts in this thread, so.

 

[Brandobaris]

I know it may come to a shock to some, but I have autism..... i know... i know.... you are all thinking "no way!" But yes.

Fuck autism support groups and awareness raising in the ass. We belong in the basements and sewers of the world. Not interacting with people and making 1/13 size models of the effel tower out of legos or something else autistic.