Autoneoteny, self-infantalization and lost futures - Why zoomers look fondly on pasts that they haven't experienced

I literally knew someone that used to wear their parents hippy shit.
Oh okay, you knew someone. Your personal exception to the rule is surely indicative of the generalised experience. I also knew a guy who ate worms as a kid so we can say that it was common for millenials to eat worms.
You sound like you've gotten all your info from the internet or movies or some shit. Either that or you've forgotten the retarded late 2000's hippy bullshit.
I'm not devolving into a slapfight with someone this childish. I don't expect to change your mind but you're making a bad faith effort to make your point. Have a good one, dude.
 
I'd like to know what role optimism played in the formation of these zeitgeists as you describe them. Why are those things linked in a way that would make us able to form a coherent cultural identity then, and not now?

Optimism is a modern phenomenon that has no bearing on how we create culture; the hippie movement was (and is) a massive cultural & aesthetic touchstone, and being ineffectually sad about the way society was progressing was kind of their whole deal. Zoomers -- not their parents, or the media, or adrenochrome-drinking reptile people -- are the number one agents of their own alienation. We aren't even trying to get to know one another.

Here's a thought experiment: our current fetishisation of ""aesthetics"" can be directly linked to the godless society we live in. Art, for most of human history, was born from religion. We lost God and began worshipping art as a second-hand substitute -- and now, we've lost art and we worship vibes.

(I don't know what comes next in the sequence. Probably mass confusion.)
 
As someone who knows a few teachers: you have no idea how bad this really is. One of my friends believes that it's due to the lack of early development language stimulation that children require. Their parents don't read to them or even talk to them as much - they're just plopped in front of a tablet with headphones. This, and the digital, atomised world they live in, also coincides with how many of these kids are labelled autistic nowadays. They're just very poorly socialized imo.
In a weird way, this works to the benefit of alphas. They truly could not give a fuck about anyone's opinions or expectations of them and it contributes largely to the chaos that @mindlessobserver describes here:
Oh, I know how bad it is right now. I was one of the people who experienced the decline. I went to a middle school with a lot of troubled kids whose parents treated it like a day care center. There were no clubs, no extracurricular activities. They tried at points but it didn't really stick. There were a lot of kids with behavioral and emotional problems that the staff was not equipped to deal with. Not even the special education teachers. Children with emotional problems were often thrown into special education classrooms instead of being sent somewhere that could really support them. I remember being put in a class with kids who were transitioning to regular ed and regular ed kids who were behind grade level. We'd get pulled out and everything, there was no learning going on at all until one point in the year when the regular kids chilled the fuck out. Which is the best case scenario that doesn't happen often.
I remember seeing teachers breaking down. Teachers losing their voice. Teachers having to get into fights while waiting for security. Kids breaking down in hallways while security tried to calm them down. It was fucking insane to see that coming from regular ed kids. I'm talking about fights so bad that the police had to be called. In a fucking middle school.
Chatgpt and "gamifyed learning" are just adding salt to a open bullet wound.

It's insane how people think school is more likely to indoctrinate your kid as oppose to the internet. Teachers can't even get your kid to sit the fuck down and turn the page. Meanwhile some random shit-skinned pedophile is teaching your kid how to be a pimp on tiktok. Or someone encouraging them to harass minimum wage employees just doing their jobs. (Minecraft movie is a great example)
Teachers in this day and age are getting shit thrown at them from all sides with no support, it's no wonder people are quitting in masses.
Here's a thought experiment: our current fetishisation of ""aesthetics"" can be directly linked to the godless society we live in. Art, for most of human history, was born from religion. We lost God and began worshipping art as a second-hand substitute -- and now, we've lost art and we worship vibes.
I think it's the lack of purpose and pursuit that is prevalent today. We can't find a purpose and that is integral to humanity as a species.
 
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. While this is about taste in music and social standing, it relevant because this sentiment has been around for awhile already. Granted, unlike the Millenials, the Zoomies have it worse because they were born into this Tumblrized world.


Now... Here's my two cents on this.
Alot of societal problems we are now facing is the ultimate end result of the utter destruction of the family unit. The corruption and demolition of religion, the rampant propaganda pushed by the system that is dead set on making slaves out of their own citizens through media garbage and punishing anyone who dares stand against the programming, (The west is essentially has been under one very long buck breaking session), the purposeful division of men and women so the proles don't strike back against the system that has made things worse and if you factor in the harsh reality that because no-one is invested in society anymore as its there to game everyone dumb enough to support it... which has degenerated to a point where making a living is slowly getting out of reach... its a shitshow.

Now, this has severely affected the Zoomies as they were born in very tumultous times. A divisive media, an overbearing system that demands you respect it and follow its ways lest you get canceled on top of being subjected to information overflow that is the curse of being handed a smart device as a toddler. In short too much complicated shit. And as a result, the 'grass is greener on the other side' is in full effect. They look at previous generations and wishes they were born there. Happily ignorant at the drawbacks those times carried.

The 80s were cool as fuck, but electronic devices were quite rudimentary and getting information took awhile. The 90s was slick, but how you see the world is dominated by what's shown on TV and that shit is controlled as fuck... which ties into what made the next decade so appealing. The beginnings of the Internet. Where at first you were on a corporate platform only to fall down into a labyrinth of strange pages and complete insanity. Which then brings us to the 2000s. Two seperate worlds. The normiesphere which is the world as it was in the 90s with IRL on one side, with corpo control resting there and on-line, the wild west that is the Internet where freedom can be found. The net then is basically a massive labyrinthine library with cool (and not so cool shit) around the corner. This was also the time when all the Tumblrites and various Marxist shitheads have begun congregating in Tumblr, realized they can now bring forth their vision of the world and started the woke mob we all loathe and despise... and that shit would come to a head when we hit 2008 with the failed OWS protests with said Commie scum being chaperoned into the system in order to quash any dissent. So no more OWS and hello Clownworld.

And then we hit the 2010s and that asshole Steve Jobs decided to bring the normies onto that wonderland and here we are. The troons, faggots, corpos and the various cancer that made real life so unbearable have squatted in the Library and have started to burn the books.

Zoomies and other newer generations look to the past with complete rose-tinted goggles because the reality as it stands is quite foul. Or at the very least, seems hopeless. 'Eat ze bugs, own nothing', 'you'll work till you die', 'anything fun makes you an istaphobe' and of course, the harsh fact we live in clownworld. Who wouldn't want to go back to the past when the future is so foul?

I can confidently say that if the Internet remained niche as it was, we wouldn't be in this shitshow at all. But Pandora's box has been opened and there's no closing it. So how do we fix this? For starters, fix the broken foundation. Re-establish complete family units. Not the standard Nuclear family, as that was pushed to break apart the classical family unit. Where all members of the family were living in one space. Or at the very least, in one town. And part of the reason why the family unit had to be demolished by the system because the system fears upstarts. And anyone who can coordinate well along with having money and resources can and inevitably will change things around. Which is the last thing the oligarchs want. But it is absolutely necessary unless you want to see everything degenerate into savagery and barbarism mixed with Idiocracy.

The next line in the agenda is teaching a new parent the danger that is handing your smart device to a child. Because even if you can keep the pedophiles, pimps and faggots off your lawn, you are still giving those groups the possibility to get to your child with an online device. Give them something that isn't connected to the net not until they're older. And if they have to remain connected so you can call them and junk, give them an outdated device instead. Something along the lines of a flip phone. It should at the very least incentivize them to work if they want an upgrade.

It may not be a perfect solution but its way better than the non-solution that the system is peddling because they want these suckers to exist. Another aside on the education sector, they teach kids how to use online tools, access lessons on the school's website and even teach them about passwords. But never the danger of putting your information online as well as the unfortunate hazard of getting sucked in by the gadget.

Terry A Davis really nailed it on the head with his Niggercattle speech especially on how they are trained and how docile they are. Because that is what these kids sadly are.

TL;DR:
Broken families, lack of religion, an exploitative system on par with a company town but on a society-wide basis is what's driving the newest generation to nostalgia trip way harder than the previous ones. And sadly, the only way out is through. And so the solution is to turn to practicality and prepare for the worst.

It's insane how people think school is more likely to indoctrinate your kid as oppose to the internet. Teachers can't even get your kid to sit the fuck down and turn the page. Meanwhile some random shit-skinned pedophile is teaching your kid how to be a pimp on tiktok. Or someone encouraging them to harass minimum wage employees just doing their jobs. (Minecraft movie is a great example)
Teachers in this day and age are getting shit thrown at them from all sides with no support, it's no wonder people are quitting in masses.
Can confirm this. I do work in the educational sector in Commiefornia and there are scores of classrooms that have faggot indoctrination books, fag flags and posters that are there to indoctrinate. Have a full thread here Indoctrination material for kids and toddlers covering this insanity.

The lessons have become inane and more propagandistic in their approach. Had a teacher that was teaching the horrors of McCartyism... despite McCarthy clearly did not go far enough (as seen with Tumblrites running society) and didn't even cover the insanity that is Mao Zedong's rise to power. I must also stress even the STEM lessons are dumbed down and resemble more as an art class than it is learning about the world. Did I mention Common Core which has been proven to make kids hate math is in full effect here?

There is also the unfortunate side effect in Society making blue collar work unappealing to the new generations with the demonization it gets through media and the crap wages. They are not going to be invested in keeping society up and running. The (True) Jannies, the mechanics, the maintenance people, garbage disposal, etc are the ones that keep the lights on. And once that goes... well, imagine an ipad kid realizing they cannot watch their brainrot anymore and multiply that by a 1000x. We'd get nationwide tantrums at best. A re-enactment of Cell at worst.
 
There is also the unfortunate side effect in Society making blue collar work unappealing to the new generations with the demonization it gets through media and the crap wages. They are not going to be invested in keeping society up and running. The (True) Jannies, the mechanics, the maintenance people, garbage disposal, etc are the ones that keep the lights on. And once that goes... well, imagine an ipad kid realizing they cannot watch their brainrot anymore and multiply that by a 1000x. We'd get nationwide tantrums at best. A re-enactment of Cell at worst.
You make some really good points, but are we not already in the IRL verison of Cell? Remember 2020-2021? All the recent crazy shootings that have happened because people have been radicalized by the internet and the state of the world? I expect another big spazz out as soon as they kill Luigi Mangione. The more information that comes out about that case, the more it seems to me that the whole thing is a pysop.
 
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Teachers can't even get your kid to sit the fuck down and turn the page.
Watch how parents handle their kids in public these days. It's a good indicator of what's going on in the average home.
I see kids acting like baboons in public while their parents shuffle along and say nothing.
If they act like baboons in public, we can definitely expect it to be the same at home (anecdotally find this to be the case for the kids of all my friends and family).
There's no structure in the home. I'm not going to say there's no discipline but there's certainly no structure. Parents nowadays don't teach their kids to shift and apply their focus and energy in different ways.
There's no concept of "quiet time" or "eating time" or "reading time" it's just one constant, hyperactive, cacophonous zoo. Then these same parents act surprised when they're told that their kid can't sit still in class and listen.
You can't squeeze a monkey into a business suit and expect him to trade stocks.

I think it's the lack of purpose and pursuit that is prevalent today. We can't find a purpose and that is integral to humanity as a species.
You and @Doktor Grimm are onto the same point here I think. We used to be unified in purpose through faith. We killed God and replaced him with Star Wars figurines.

I must also stress even the STEM lessons are dumbed down and resemble more as an art class than it is learning about the world.
My former highschool had all the older math and science teachers basically refuse to dumb down their classes by teaching things the "new" way.
They were all past retirement age and employed as contractors. When the new principal came in she chose not to renew all their contracts and replaced them with fresh 20 something year olds.
Got rid of a ton of experience and knowledge just so that they could have pliable people who will say yes to everything and act uncritically.
The really funny thing is: the following year they had more math and science failures than ever before.
 
These everything stopped changing, the end is nigh, generational/decade astrology threads always suck, and everyone who thinks like this is a pseudointellectual, disingenuous faggot. I was considering making a thread critiquing this mindset, but this thread will suffice.
1. Pop culture is full of remakes and whatnot nowadays only because of manbabies who can't read books or have original ideas. There's no real attempt to capture children (who this crap should really be for) with new IPs because parents buying a bit of uniquely-designed plastic crap for children is far less profitable than adults buying samey Funko Pops and "thing but x" Hot Topic crap for themselves. For the actual worthwhile stuff, Sturgeon's Law applies.
2. Imagine caring about fashion trends geg. Being a fashion autist is a great sign you're a boring person, just like being a food autist is; the grub you fuel yourself with and the rags you wear to protect yourself don't matter and if you think they matter enough to warrant discussion, you are a small-minded retard. If you're designing your own clothes or making your own food, this doesn't apply.
3. Caring about ads and packaging and restaurants or whatever Xitter drones talk about is another sign you're a small-minded idiot.
4. Yes, most zoomers do know how to use file systems and type and read and whatnot. Zoomers being unable to torrent 12 episodes of anime or make useless vanity sites or not using Linux or preferring Macs over Windows junk that's just as expensive and dies in 3 years are not signs of societal decay. Most people in the 2000s couldn't torrent or code HTML, and in the pre-internet times people made fake bookshelves full of classics they'll never read so they look smart to visitors, while they just watched TV and read newspapers and celeb gossip rags (what does this remind us KFers of?) and comics.
5. Zoomers who hang out at malls and nightclubs are overgrown teenagers who fill their empty lives with endless consumerism, so they'll go back to previous eras to consume new stuff. There's also an aspect of being rebellious and contrarian with that, which is another teenage attitude. If you go to nightclubs, you're probably a shallow retard yourself, so I don't know why you're surprised everyone else there is a shallow retard.
Also all this is true; read it again until you understand it:
Most groups/ideologies have a mythical golden age to uphold, simply because an active ideology must by definition be unsatisfied with the status quo, and ideas are hard.
Adult anglo trads long for the mythical 50s with their rapeable housewives. Normie Russians of course want Stalin to come back and shoot every bougie, while domestic traitors miss tsarism, and traitor "expats" miss the 90s, when young girls wanted to be prostitutes when they grew up. Japs probably want their emperor and national pride back. Turks want Ataturk and/or the Ottoman empire. Hungarians want Greater Hungary.

Whole artistic movements that we now consider trad, based, and ennobling were hilariously lolcowish at their time.
We think it's funny when Trump is portrayed as the god-emperor, and yet we don't think it's particularly unusual when Napoleon is portrayed in Ancient Greek paraphernalia, even though Napoleon is closer to Trump than to Ancient Greece -- because to us the real distance between Alexander and Napoleon is measured in school years, and in school years it's really short. We think one type of fine art painting that takes effort is pretty much the same as another type of fine art painting that takes effort, until the ugly shit shows up. In the 18th century, they were building faux-Greek not-temples with glazed windows, they're now masterpieces of architecture. Fucks sake!
Don Quixote is about a lolcow who romanticizes the past; the character is fictional but the attitudes it makes fun of were real. Waverley started out as a lolcow (he got better).

(Speaking of ancient Greeks, wokism is not new either: the not so ancient Greeks during the decline were wokening and fagging up their own myths. They made Achilles gay over a thousand years before they made Jeanne D'Arc nonbuynary.)

And there was never a time when doomerism wasn't a thing. Christianity had a variety of doomer cults and movements, from the early days when Jesus was expected to show up soonish, to the year 1000, and later, what with plagues and invasions. As religion waned, early science fiction has had plenty of stories where inventions are bad and a return to the status quo is desirable. When Tsiolkovsky's fans wrote about the perspectives and perils of space exploration, Lovecraft wrote about beings from outer space who'd eat us all and won't even notice.

Tolkien may be a conservative doomer and miscegenation fetishist, but he was """inspired""" by, and credited, the Socialist William Morris (nature = romance = socialism = good, industry = materialism = capitalism = bad).

The end of history is also a common occurrence through history. The Roman empire was eternal until it wasn't. World War I wasn't supposed to get a sequel. I remember a Spanish story that goes, "it happened during one of those wars that are always called 'the last one', even though it's always followed by yet another more bloody and destructive" or something like that. Fukuyama is a certified moron: WWI ended with the rape of Germany, the Cold War ended with the rape of Russia (then 5.5% of the world's pop, not counting the other "second world" countriesus), how cancerous does one have to be to think this amount of surprise human misery would have no consequences? Zero pattern recognition. Even if you think Russians are quqs, all that looted wealth is going somewhere.
Here's a thought experiment: our current fetishisation of ""aesthetics"" can be directly linked to the godless society we live in. Art, for most of human history, was born from religion. We lost God and began worshipping art as a second-hand substitute -- and now, we've lost art and we worship vibes.
It's not so much godlessness but being small-minded and uncreative, which most people always have been. When you aren't smart, focused, or bored enough to engage with ideas, you engage with the surface level things, and aesthetics are always the surface. I have so many examples of this: my cousin, who fancies himself a tech wizard and obsesses over the aesthetics of tech but can barely code; my uncle, who has nothing in life but music, drinking, and TV and discusses minutiae like microwave brands; the abundance of Lego MOCs based around mimicking old themes or properties first and don't prioritize new designs; the Neocities pages that look "old internet" but still have the same fakeness and vapidity of social media.
it was still disappointing to see so many people just schlepping around the joint wearing whatever they threw on that morning - I brought a nice little black dress to wear on the floor in the evenings but NO ONE DRESSES NICE ANYMORE.
Do you really expect degen gamblers to dress nice?
 
You make some really good points, but are we not already in the IRL verison of Cell? Remember 2020-2021? All the recent crazy shootings that have happened because people have been radicalized by the internet and the state of the world? I expect another big spazz out as soon as they kill Luigi Mangione. The more information that comes out about that case, the more it seems to me that the whole thing is a pysop.
Kind of? While they are not the super-psychic monsters that they were in the novel, we're more or less dealing with cultists akin to Pico's School.


The radicalization isn't just the Internet alone. Its been abetted and approved by the system itself. Internet, cable, the news and of course the talking heads of the system. This cuts both ways. The ones who received buttpats from the system and played pretend with them work to defend the system from anything it finds offensive. Whereas those disaffected who at the end of their rope lashes out at the system... plenty of which are also groomed by cogs of the system ala glowies.

This is sadly part and parcel of Communist subversion. As seen with the Soviet Union. The crazed radicals are part of the process. Suharto said it best when it comes to them.

"It is not the military strength of the Communists, but their fanaticism and ideology which is the principal element of their strength. To consider this, each country in the area needs an ideology of its own with which to counter the Communists. But a national ideology is not enough by itself. The well being of the people must be improved so that it strengthens and supports the national ideology."

— Suharto speaking to President Ford in 1975


Flash forward to today. Indonesia has Muzzie problems but not Commies. The guy was very thorough in getting rid of them that would make Pinochet blush. The subversives are part of the same virus that leads to damnation. Sadly the countries that fought back against Commies, (Poland and Chile) have fallen to them anyway. Both ran by some WEF stooge.
 
I'd like to know what role optimism played in the formation of these zeitgeists as you describe them. Why are those things linked in a way that would make us able to form a coherent cultural identity then, and not now?
The death of monoculture has to do with this, I think.

It's already been mentioned, but (from what I understand) before the internet you basically went through public media or nothing. There was outsider stuff still, sure, but it was so niche and ineffectual to the world at large that it wasn't enough to change culture until some big suit found out about it and pushed it into the public sphere/some outsider betrayed the culture and went full suit, then commercialized that shit. Everyone saw the same stuff at the same times and it created a unified narrative that was extremely hard to break. This culture also planned for people trying to break it, and created a prevailing narrative through the media it published that certain types of thought were bad and made you a nerd/danger/retard (see: demonization of communism in the Cold War, the Satanic Panic, etc.)

People were further encouraged not to rock the boat by being told everything was fine. Optimism, from what I can tell, has mostly existed in mass media as a tool of the media establishment to keep people happy even while shit is going down so that the establishment retains an income source. In the late 90s and REALLY early 2000s (like, 2000-first half of 2001), around the time of the Y2K bug and Columbine, you had shit like All Star on the radio and nonstop sitcoms on TV. Tons of poppy happy stuff, somewhat vapid, meant to keep people generally thinking good thoughts and looking forward to their futures as they ignored the oncoming specter of constant school shootings and the death of American industry. Even if there was still some dark or offensive stuff on TV, it was often tied into comedy to keep it light.

When the Internet came around and broke all that shit down with a bunch of blood, gore, memes, and sarcasm, the mass media started trying to adapt and lost a lot of the vapid happiness that'd characterized it before. That's part of why you got piss filter modern shooters, dark gritty reboots, constant military shilling and sadder whiny songs on the radio. (The other part of this was, obviously, 9/11 and the neverending Middle Eastern wars, but that mostly died out (in culture) past the early 2010s while all of this depressing shit lived on.) Then the Internet went and killed mass media's cultural relevance, but it simultaneously infected itself with algorithms that made everyone see a different version of itself.

That leaves us with a fractured zeitgeist mostly dominated by the Internet, which is no longer the same centralized force as it once was (go back 20ish years and everyone will mention the same few Newgrounds animations and games, the same handful of YouTube channels and YouTube Poops, the same damn search engine without any personalization; talk to anyone now and they'll say the same few sites, but neglect to mention that all of these new sites personalize your content so almost nobody watches or sees the same shit anymore) and defined itself by deconstructing old media without teaching itself how to reconstruct anything out of it.

The best attempts the Internet ever made at reconstructions were fanfictions or shitposts, which is why the modern media industry is now dominated by fanfiction and shitposts. The people being hired by the modern industry are hired in an attempt to compete with the Internet using its own tactics, which is why everything is now the same millennial-humor slop with lesbian couples and zero originality. Major media networks are now hiring literal ao3 writers because society as a whole has become so dominated by the Internet that anything unlike it is unattractive to the masses.

I think I'm really starting to ramble here, so the long and short of it is:

Optimism mostly existed in media, no matter the worldly circumstances of the time, as a way to generate constant revenue even while the world was going down the toilet. It played a part in forming zeitgeists by clouding peoples' memories with rosy visions of sitcoms and dark humor to coat over the bad stuff like children being shot at school or almost every electronic planet on the device being at risk of complete malfunction. It essentially sold people happiness to keep itself afloat, and unified people through distributing the same "family-friendly" content to everyone at the same time in the same places.

The Internet fundamentally broke this distribution just by existing, and went on to deride the entire concept of selling people happiness as outdated and fake. It built itself on subverting mass media through gory Flash shorts, constant parody, and shitty fanfiction. This became so fundamentally the Internet's "thing" that now, where we reside in a future in which mass media is essentially dead or a pale imitation of internet media, we have completely forgotten how to create.

The Internet saw no reason to be optimistic, because it had nothing to sell. Its profits did not rely on keeping the masses happy, and its reputation only relied on keeping the masses informed. It was the "real" alternative to the "fake" normal of optimistic mass media, and now that the alternative has completely overtaken the normal we have lost sight of what normal used to be.

Nobody sees the same things anymore because the internet is meant to be a tool of information, while all its entertainment is meant to correct or "make real" the fakeness of (what used to be) actual mass media entertainment. (This correction often involved turning optimism and happiness on its head both as shock value and because it was generally more accurate to real events or feelings about certain situations.)

This has led to the modern internet, where everyone is "informed" but nobody is happy. Optimism is dead in media and the youth because the youth were raised on media that treated optimism as silly, childish, fake, or an illusion to generate revenue (which, in the sense that we're talking about (toxic positivity, the fake laughter of sitcoms, playing Smash Mouth while the twin towers fall as opposed to having a good attitude and hope for the future), was not exactly an incorrect assertion). It has remained dead because there is no financial incentive to revive it, no regulations forcing people to keep in line with what's acceptable for which audience, and almost no conception of a better future due to the entire last quarter-century being one long downturn in quality of life.

TL;DR OF THE TL;DR: Optimism in media is gone because there is no reason to keep it alive. It only ever existed in such huge swathes because networks and producers had huge financial incentives to entertain and soothe people (that incentive being their continued existence, given that media only existed in the first place to provide reprieve from real life's negativity). The Internet never needed such optimism to exist, and it proceeded to kill the one industry that did, leading to the death of optimism in media.

The Internet also supplanted the old methods of distribution and regulation that kept people happy and soothed by old media
(strict television schedules, content regulation, radios playing the same thing on the same station at certain times, etc.) by becoming personalized to every user who engaged with it, leading to everyone seeing the current zeitgeist completely differently to everyone else. Hence, the death of monoculture: there cannot be one current culture when every person considers it to be something different.

(I hope this still makes sense, sorry for the enormous tet wall. I'm trying to elaborate on what I mean but i'm running on like 3 hours of sleep and a few months of terrible circadian rhythm so I'm sure it's just an incoherent mess lmoa.)
 
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(I hope this still makes sense, sorry for the enormous tet wall. I'm trying to elaborate on what I mean but i'm running on like 3 hours of sleep and a few months of terrible circadian rhythm so I'm sure it's just an incoherent mess lmoa.)
The most acute insights on the human condition are more often than not discovered directly between the line of sanity and madness.
 
From the sound of things, being that you go to nightclubs, you might just be a Zoomer yourself. So I am going to approach this from that assumption. In that Normie millennials my age don't go to nightclubs anymore.
Yeah, about that, I didn't even need to read that far into the OP:
(e.g. millennials with the 80s hysteria that eventually culminated in the "Stranger Things" aesthetic).
There was no 80s fad in the 00s.
There was vice city, that was it.
That's the kind of bizarre revisionism/re-imagining you get from zoomers.
Like all that inane shit about the 90s.
Things like assuming everyone had an xbox in 1999 and other mandela-isms like that.
 
Yeah, about that, I didn't even need to read that far into the OP:
I don't understand what both of you find so incredulous about a non-zoomer being in a nightclub these days for any reason at all. I never made it sound like I regularly went clubbing.
Going to bars is still very popular with millennials where I'm from and very very occasionally you get drunk enough with some highschool friends that you convince yourself it's a good idea to keep the party going after a few drinks.
I must be hallucinating all the 30+ year olds I see participating in nightlife - even if they make up far fewer numbers than zoomers.
There was no 80s fad in the 00s.
There was vice city, that was it.
That's the kind of bizarre revisionism/re-imagining you get from zoomers.
Like all that inane shit about the 90s.
Things like assuming everyone had an xbox in 1999 and other mandela-isms like that.
Maybe this is a disconnect between early and later millennials. For those that entered young adulthood in the late 2000s/early 2010s there was definitely an 80s revival around that time.
Let's however replace 80s with 60s or 70s. How does this change any of the points made? Are you willing to engage with them critically or does it satisfy you to shut your brain down and hurl ad hominem attacks?
 
Imagine caring about fashion trends geg. Being a fashion autist is a great sign you're a boring person, just like being a food autist is; the grub you fuel yourself with and the rags you wear to protect yourself don't matter and if you think they matter enough to warrant discussion, you are a small-minded retard.
Brutal. (t. fashion & food autist)

I think everything is worth discussing.

It's not so much godlessness but being small-minded and uncreative, which most people always have been. When you aren't smart, focused, or bored enough to engage with ideas, you engage with the surface level things, and aesthetics are always the surface.
So, what do you suggest to dig us out of the hole we've found ourselves in? Mass sterilisation of everyone below 130 IQ? Retvrn to some arbitrary point in history where people were less addicted to dopamine so we can repeat the decline over again, Prometheus-style? I don't disagree with the idea that most of us aren't creators of culture, but blaming the majority of the population for problems seems like a recipe for solipsistic edgeposting and impractical solutions.

TL;DR OF THE TL;DR: Optimism in media is gone because there is no reason to keep it alive. It only ever existed in such huge swathes because networks and producers had huge financial incentives to entertain and soothe people
Mass media told us that we could create purpose for ourselves, and look how that went -- it took people six decades from the invention of television to forget about everything that was important.

I'm really glad the whole rotten structure is collapsing and those who spent the eighties and nineties idly burning through our collective supply of creative potency are waking up to a big fat shot of Narcan. We need to stop idolising that era as the "peak of civilisation"; we're a bunch of cirrhosis-ridden alcoholics longing for a time when we could get sloshed five nights a week. Something something hard times strong men.
 
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It's the 30 year culture cycle. When millennials were the age zoomers are now a lot of them were into the 60's and 70's aesthetic. They wore bell bottoms and shit like that.
Dunno about that, maybe among the early millenial generations. I remember a short trend of tie-dye shirts in the mid 90s among the teens back then, but among my contemporaries (exact middle of Millenials who had their teenage years in the early 2000s) there was none of that. We were busy with Nu Metal, Skate Punk, and Gangsta Rap.
 
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