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I have no real first hand experience with Pintos, to put it mildly, but I worked with a guy who owned a Pinto Wagon. Said it was the best small car he ever owned. He said he got over 200k mileage on it before trading it in. And it was only the Hatchbacks that had the blow 'em up issue. The gas tanks on the wagons were actually mounted safely.
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Insert any Facebook group that has been made for bottom barrel appliances like the Cruze.
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my dad's first car was a Chevrolet Corvair, which was heavily featured in Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at Any Speed"
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The Pinto wasn't an awful car just had that really really bad cheap out flaw. They often live on as drag toys as they can swallow a small block with no modifications or a little hammer work and take a Ford Big Block, I have a buddy with a bored out 351C I couldn't tell you the exact mods but it's a lol race car only, and a hoot.
The corvair was awful, but due to being so cutting edge and some how my aunt had one as a first car and still alive. I love the theory and its a cool car but it just wasn't ready with the tech now. Trust me if you modernize or think of a modern version of it it's a cool car. Has a big cult following for a reason. I'd say the turbo ones are even more dangerous being how bad lag was back then on those tiny little motors with how bad turbine tech was.
I'll dig up my love/hate of English cars and mention the Triumph TR7. From the classic TR6 and before little buggy Brit cars. To a big ugly wedge, with a tiny little dolmite motor. While a much larger and different look, the car still had a sub 100 HP motor (low for it's time even) and didn't shed a pound, to be fair barely got fatter.
It's a good looking car and many a foolish buyer will snag one thinking it's a TR8 (same idea but with a little v
yet it's just a stinker. Also lol English car wiring. Fuck that. Oh yea and saving grace? A rare run you could get the car with a Levi's Jeans interior. Yes, you read that right, nigger what the fuck. If this was a dedicated car forum, England would have it's own board. Sure there are a few winners from the UK (I own 2 for full disclosure.) But until you drive, ride along and mostly work on an English car you will never understand the deep seeded I have no mouth and must scream hatred many have for UK cars.
The corvair was awful, but due to being so cutting edge and some how my aunt had one as a first car and still alive. I love the theory and its a cool car but it just wasn't ready with the tech now. Trust me if you modernize or think of a modern version of it it's a cool car. Has a big cult following for a reason. I'd say the turbo ones are even more dangerous being how bad lag was back then on those tiny little motors with how bad turbine tech was.
I'll dig up my love/hate of English cars and mention the Triumph TR7. From the classic TR6 and before little buggy Brit cars. To a big ugly wedge, with a tiny little dolmite motor. While a much larger and different look, the car still had a sub 100 HP motor (low for it's time even) and didn't shed a pound, to be fair barely got fatter.
It's a good looking car and many a foolish buyer will snag one thinking it's a TR8 (same idea but with a little v
yet it's just a stinker. Also lol English car wiring. Fuck that. Oh yea and saving grace? A rare run you could get the car with a Levi's Jeans interior. Yes, you read that right, nigger what the fuck. If this was a dedicated car forum, England would have it's own board. Sure there are a few winners from the UK (I own 2 for full disclosure.) But until you drive, ride along and mostly work on an English car you will never understand the deep seeded I have no mouth and must scream hatred many have for UK cars.
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Forgive my double post but I'm trapped inside during a storm and was thinking cars.
One of the most common, cheap and easy to work on cars in post war europe from the ashes of devastated France rises the Citroen 2CV far from flashy, fancy or fast (toting a 9hp motor) . A great story of a car, then we have so many spawns of it like many successful chassis/platforms. Then one has to suck right?
I'm talking suck on a level of a black hole and Sasha Grey mixed together. The 2CV Safari. (read this in a stereotypical Frenchie Accent) Hey we got this cheap little thing, lets make it off road! Hon Hon Hon! What a wonderful idea! But 4x4 and All Wheel Drive is confusing!!?!? How do we make this? Need not a worry, We just make a front wheel drive car, and then do the same in the back! Now let us eat wine and cheese and lose another war!.
Yup you read that right, This had 2 motors, Two trans, and was controlled by a single system meaning the trottle, and gears were linked to one. In theory you had double everything so worse case you had either FWD or RWD. When in practice, that was FUCKING STUPID. Less then 700 of these sins against the machine god were made. Running both motors flat out you could hit almost a break neck of 65 MPH.
The French Fire service had one almost as confusing as this, it had the same 4x4 system but the motors were both in the front, incase it needed to back up at full speed. I kid you not. I could see a niche use of this in a fire company, but so many other options exisit. It's confusing how this was approved or done.
Oh and I mentioned how slow these things were due to it's 9HP motor, These take about 30 full seconds to run the 440. The fastest human being has done it sub 45. This car would literally lose a drag race to a horse being the fastest clocked at 20.5.
I don't want to completely shit on the legacy of the 2CV as it's not bad for what it was or what it did, but the 2 motor concept is so baffling, and deserves to be mocked on a storied car. It is truly a shit stain. They were the black eye to a reliable (hell just incase they gave you a hand crank option) neat history piece that while probably outside of collectors no one would want a cool car. The 2CV also has some history and was a big influence to one of the greatest known cars in history, the VW Beetle. So while one was a rotten stinker, I do want to give props where due. Granted if anyone cares, there are so many odd features of the 2CV I could write up the rest of it's quirks, for example... ever hear of a car that at a stop light your windshield wipers stop working? Not a flaw, there's a reason to that.
One of the most common, cheap and easy to work on cars in post war europe from the ashes of devastated France rises the Citroen 2CV far from flashy, fancy or fast (toting a 9hp motor) . A great story of a car, then we have so many spawns of it like many successful chassis/platforms. Then one has to suck right?
I'm talking suck on a level of a black hole and Sasha Grey mixed together. The 2CV Safari. (read this in a stereotypical Frenchie Accent) Hey we got this cheap little thing, lets make it off road! Hon Hon Hon! What a wonderful idea! But 4x4 and All Wheel Drive is confusing!!?!? How do we make this? Need not a worry, We just make a front wheel drive car, and then do the same in the back! Now let us eat wine and cheese and lose another war!.
Yup you read that right, This had 2 motors, Two trans, and was controlled by a single system meaning the trottle, and gears were linked to one. In theory you had double everything so worse case you had either FWD or RWD. When in practice, that was FUCKING STUPID. Less then 700 of these sins against the machine god were made. Running both motors flat out you could hit almost a break neck of 65 MPH.
The French Fire service had one almost as confusing as this, it had the same 4x4 system but the motors were both in the front, incase it needed to back up at full speed. I kid you not. I could see a niche use of this in a fire company, but so many other options exisit. It's confusing how this was approved or done.
Oh and I mentioned how slow these things were due to it's 9HP motor, These take about 30 full seconds to run the 440. The fastest human being has done it sub 45. This car would literally lose a drag race to a horse being the fastest clocked at 20.5.
I don't want to completely shit on the legacy of the 2CV as it's not bad for what it was or what it did, but the 2 motor concept is so baffling, and deserves to be mocked on a storied car. It is truly a shit stain. They were the black eye to a reliable (hell just incase they gave you a hand crank option) neat history piece that while probably outside of collectors no one would want a cool car. The 2CV also has some history and was a big influence to one of the greatest known cars in history, the VW Beetle. So while one was a rotten stinker, I do want to give props where due. Granted if anyone cares, there are so many odd features of the 2CV I could write up the rest of it's quirks, for example... ever hear of a car that at a stop light your windshield wipers stop working? Not a flaw, there's a reason to that.
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Ladies, and gentlemen...FIX IT AGAIN, TONY. The Fiat 500 doesn't come with an owner's manual, just illustrations of sexual favors you can give to whoever gives you a ride to the auto repair shop.
Anything British (recent motorbikes have shed this problem, but everything else) has a reputation for having spent all of Electrical Engineering study at the pub. I've had old British bikes, and not only are they not wired for shit, but they're prone to "The Genie" or "Magic Blue Smoke" when oil or wiring starts to burn. Thankfully, the newer Triumphs and presumably the Norton line have come fully into the 21st century.
Funny thing about the Pinto- it's built on the same platform with many of the same parts as the Mustang II, which was by all accounts a solid if boring placeholder until they properly revived the Mustang in 79. The Mustang II never got the Pinto's somewhat overstated reputation for being a firetrap. And the Corvair was, apparently despite Nader's report no more likely to crash than a VW Bug.The Pinto wasn't an awful car just had that really really bad cheap out flaw. They often live on as drag toys as they can swallow a small block with no modifications or a little hammer work and take a Ford Big Block, I have a buddy with a bored out 351C I couldn't tell you the exact mods but it's a lol race car only, and a hoot.
The corvair was awful, but due to being so cutting edge and some how my aunt had one as a first car and still alive. I love the theory and its a cool car but it just wasn't ready with the tech now. Trust me if you modernize or think of a modern version of it it's a cool car. Has a big cult following for a reason. I'd say the turbo ones are even more dangerous being how bad lag was back then on those tiny little motors with how bad turbine tech was.
I'll dig up my love/hate of English cars and mention the Triumph TR7. From the classic TR6 and before little buggy Brit cars. To a big ugly wedge, with a tiny little dolmite motor. While a much larger and different look, the car still had a sub 100 HP motor (low for it's time even) and didn't shed a pound, to be fair barely got fatter.
It's a good looking car and many a foolish buyer will snag one thinking it's a TR8 (same idea but with a little v
Anything British (recent motorbikes have shed this problem, but everything else) has a reputation for having spent all of Electrical Engineering study at the pub. I've had old British bikes, and not only are they not wired for shit, but they're prone to "The Genie" or "Magic Blue Smoke" when oil or wiring starts to burn. Thankfully, the newer Triumphs and presumably the Norton line have come fully into the 21st century.
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In USA, three wheeled vehicles are also covered by motorcycle insurance, which is often cheaper than proper automobile insurance, too.
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A couple years ago, I was at the Nova Scotia/New Brunswick border with my mother, when we saw this rusted hunk of junk that had "FUCK TRUDEAU" spray painted on the side of it. To my very little surprise, the car had Alberta plates.
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nintendo labo is looking good
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The fiat 500 OG has such charm and history, while being a pile of rubbish, I don't want to call it god awful, the OG real Abarth (covered better than I can ever dream of on UK's Top Gear) was a badass, You know how some cars with the sports package get big rims or a wing? The Abarth had a bigger motor and cooling issues so guess what? You just couldn't close the trunk (rear mounted motor) so what can they do ? Turn it into a fucking wing. Now that's the kinda shit no car on earth can pull off now a days.
The current 500 I'd list as all around rubbish and thank Allah I didn't get one. The concept is near perfect for a daily, a tiny little motor turbo and 6spd stick with LSD 190/190 in it's Abarth trim. It's all the kids who grew up playing imports dream. Aside it's still a 500, these cars can't get out of their own way not because slow but because they break down non fucking stop.
Fit and finish on them is beyond poor. Panel gaps, non straight body parts from the factory and wear and tear of a decade in mere months. It's what happens when you let Chrysler group in control of WOP engineering. It's one of the many total dismal products FIAT has shit out on us, but taking all the great parts of a car away and then reusing the marquee bothers me. FFS the Dodge Dart (another FIAT) is now a fwd sedan of trash.
Preample out of the way, if you can't tell kinda a car geek. But here we go for one of the worst cars ever made, coming from a dark time in one of my favorite brands history.
Maserati T&C.
What happens when Chrysler sticks their dick in your company or buys it? BAD THINGS. Close your eyes and think Maserati, what comes to your mind? For me it's the 300 SL. After seeing one drive in person and being able to touch it wow, it's a time I met a hero and it was better than expected. I will save how and why it was so right but when you think this brand you think hot.
Not so when the T&C came out. Using a trash platform cooked up by a bunch of drunk accountants the "K car" and letting Maserati class it up. It is the literal defining idea of polishing a turd. But instead of using a nice polish you have to cut it with water about 90%. To strike a mild deal they wanted to try to skip using the K proper so they basically cut it down a few inches and birthed the Q platform, shared by the Dodge Daytona.
Maserati is famed for either making or buying the best motors and talioring them, the 4200GT series for example took a Ferrari v8 and said lets make it torquier and punched it out to make a smoother just as rev happy motor. Well because Chrysler knows more, they gave you 2 options a Mitsubishi v6 or a junk 4 banger, some with a turbo though! Well this was still the dark days of turbos and a slow revving, small 4 banger just can't ever get a t4 to spin anywhere how it needs to. Lag city and even full boost it's still underwhelming.
There's gotta be something good right? Well you could get a stick shift. No one would steal it since it looks just like a fucking Reliant or any other of horse shit that was the K platform. Even if people knew what it was, they wouldn't want to steal it.
This car was mass produced, not made en mass, what do I mean unlike the Caddy at it's time or other real hot cars this car was made on a machine line, just like anything else. Not that factory lines are wrong but when you buy super cars or high end they often have master craftsman do finishing touches installs and the such. This was just another car "off the lot". It was slower, didn't stick out, less equiped and cost more.
Maserati also made a car so bad it was famed to help kill the brand and was destroyed on TV for letting Jeremy Clarkson down. But that I'll save for another post.
tl;dr
Maserati made a Lebaron and they should feel bad about it, as they do.
The current 500 I'd list as all around rubbish and thank Allah I didn't get one. The concept is near perfect for a daily, a tiny little motor turbo and 6spd stick with LSD 190/190 in it's Abarth trim. It's all the kids who grew up playing imports dream. Aside it's still a 500, these cars can't get out of their own way not because slow but because they break down non fucking stop.
Fit and finish on them is beyond poor. Panel gaps, non straight body parts from the factory and wear and tear of a decade in mere months. It's what happens when you let Chrysler group in control of WOP engineering. It's one of the many total dismal products FIAT has shit out on us, but taking all the great parts of a car away and then reusing the marquee bothers me. FFS the Dodge Dart (another FIAT) is now a fwd sedan of trash.
Preample out of the way, if you can't tell kinda a car geek. But here we go for one of the worst cars ever made, coming from a dark time in one of my favorite brands history.
Maserati T&C.
What happens when Chrysler sticks their dick in your company or buys it? BAD THINGS. Close your eyes and think Maserati, what comes to your mind? For me it's the 300 SL. After seeing one drive in person and being able to touch it wow, it's a time I met a hero and it was better than expected. I will save how and why it was so right but when you think this brand you think hot.
Not so when the T&C came out. Using a trash platform cooked up by a bunch of drunk accountants the "K car" and letting Maserati class it up. It is the literal defining idea of polishing a turd. But instead of using a nice polish you have to cut it with water about 90%. To strike a mild deal they wanted to try to skip using the K proper so they basically cut it down a few inches and birthed the Q platform, shared by the Dodge Daytona.
Maserati is famed for either making or buying the best motors and talioring them, the 4200GT series for example took a Ferrari v8 and said lets make it torquier and punched it out to make a smoother just as rev happy motor. Well because Chrysler knows more, they gave you 2 options a Mitsubishi v6 or a junk 4 banger, some with a turbo though! Well this was still the dark days of turbos and a slow revving, small 4 banger just can't ever get a t4 to spin anywhere how it needs to. Lag city and even full boost it's still underwhelming.
There's gotta be something good right? Well you could get a stick shift. No one would steal it since it looks just like a fucking Reliant or any other of horse shit that was the K platform. Even if people knew what it was, they wouldn't want to steal it.
This car was mass produced, not made en mass, what do I mean unlike the Caddy at it's time or other real hot cars this car was made on a machine line, just like anything else. Not that factory lines are wrong but when you buy super cars or high end they often have master craftsman do finishing touches installs and the such. This was just another car "off the lot". It was slower, didn't stick out, less equiped and cost more.
Maserati also made a car so bad it was famed to help kill the brand and was destroyed on TV for letting Jeremy Clarkson down. But that I'll save for another post.
tl;dr
Maserati made a Lebaron and they should feel bad about it, as they do.
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Literally every single thing that came out of Detroit during the bailout era from like 2007-2010 was a complete dumpster fire.
Like, look at this shit.
Like, look at this shit.
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Scrub that weeb shit off of the side and you’d have something pretty cool.
Then again I just like the car’s color and design. And the Hot-Rod esthetic.
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To be honest I love it too, because it's great lulz mixed with me being a car sperg...ok others have had chimed in.
I plan on writing up another car in the AM.
Heh, I've owned a few late 90s early 00 GMs ... trust me this is light years ahead. I used to "joke" my camaro had coyote leather. Bail out cars on all big 3 were shit for a lot of reasons, GM never had the interior game done right and still struggle (aside caddy) Aside the dreadfully dull the Colbolt fell apart inside and GM suffered the worst when it came to the horrible water base paint issue the amount of "orange" on GM cars was a sin.Literally every single thing that came out of Detroit during the bailout era from like 2007-2010 was a complete dumpster fire.
Like, look at this shit.
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