Inactive Aziz Al-Yami / Hax$ - They played Smash at his livestreamed funeral.

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I'm going to provide the context, but I also spoilered it because you mentioned you don't care to find out:

Their problem with Technicals, fundamentally, is that they're a bunch of children that hate people by tribalistic association, rather than merely considering what a person actually has to say. Technicals has, at many points, credibly attacked significant figures in the community, as well as credibly defended other significant figures that the community has deemed persona non grata and tried to destroy.

It doesn't matter to them that what he's saying is provably true and logically the better answer to the situation - they made their judgments of these people beforehand, and so rather than allowing him the chance to vindicate them, they decide before hearing what he has to say that because he's associating with these people, that he must be a bad person.

It's a philosophy that exists to insulate and be as inflexible and unchangeable as possible, due to the way that it conveniently locks all counterpoint behind a convenient shield of morality. Simultaneously, it shuts out the ability for change to come from within, since anyone among them who dares advocate for the opposite viewpoint is lumped in with the opposition and similarly vilified.

This is also why no significant voices in the community dared speak up for Hax$ before he died, because even though many of them were on his side, they were all terrified to be ejected from the community in the same way, because speaking for him would make them guilty of all of his crimes by proxy in their eyes.
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Ok, you’re not wrong necessarily but literally none of that explains the context at all. Nick DeOrio has been beefing with Technicals ever since he made a video trying to exonerate ZeRo in 2021, a person from the smash community who infamously sexted a 14 year old while being 19, it’s deleted now but I’m sure it’s archived somewhere. He basically made the case that it’s been long enough time and therefore he doesn’t consider him a threat anymore, and one of the main people pushing the allegations are not credible either, therefore he should be allowed back in the Smash Community. The allegation from the victim herself is mostly true, however.
Nick had a real problem with this, although another guy he defended (Zaptie) was only marginally less bad in terms of age gap.

This is why I don’t like him either personally, although he is correct about other figures in the Smash community like Leffen, him a whole section of the smash community is for some reason insisting on making excuses or downplaying this guy’s actions to this day, Hax’s mother included using her son’s account.

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Fun fact: the first video on BigBunjeeeee’s channel (RIP) was on this topic.
 
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2 Faces 2 Colours said:
Ok, you’re not wrong necessarily but literally none of that explains the context at all. Nick DeOrio has been beefing with Technicals ever since he made a video trying to exonerate ZeRo, a person from the smash community who infamously sexted a 14 year old while being 19, it’s deleted now but I’m sure it’s archived somewhere. He basically made the case that it’s been long enough time and therefore he doesn’t consider him a threat anymore, and while one of the main people pushing the allegations are not credible either, this allegations is true, mind you.
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I appreciate your time to make this post and question this dilemma. It's quite valid and I understand where you are coming from and I also agree with your principles here.
I'm asking this purely out of curiosity of your take. What is your opinion on the court actions and eventual settlement between ZeRo and Jisu?

As someone who lightly observed it all, I found the initial Katie allegations to be quite jarring and I still do. However, I cannot help but notice that Jisu failed to accomplish a resolution in court. I also cannot help but wonder why this is.
 
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He and his mom lived off his income from this "sport" as well. It's close to the best you can expect for a mentally fragile autist to find a career, whatever that career may be, that allows him to support not only himself, but his aging mother.
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Actually if you believe Hax's mom they were funded by the Saudi Royal family.
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Unrelated to that, if Leffen's crimes and antics are so reprehensible, why is there no Leffen thread yet? Seems like it would be popular.
 
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Buffalo Chicken Sandwich said:
Actually if you believe Hax's mom they were funded by the Saudi Royal family.
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Unrelated to that, if Leffen's crimes and antics are so reprehensible, why is there no Leffen thread yet? Seems like it would be popular.
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Honestly Leffen truly needs his own thread. He's a massive vile piece of shit and the fact he was related at all in this Hax situation muddied the waters for any amount of discussion because people hate him that much lol

Also fuck you I want a buffalo chicken sandwich from Arbys now, fuck this psyop
 
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Buffalo Chicken Sandwich said:
Actually if you believe Hax's mom they were funded by the Saudi Royal family.
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his names corroborate the likelihood.
names are not random things over there.

Buffalo Chicken Sandwich said:
Unrelated to that, if Leffen's crimes and antics are so reprehensible, why is there no Leffen thread yet? Seems like it would be popular.
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my guess? he's a skilled manipulator who knows how to appeal to the crowds he wants to avoid facing.
he's also not crippled or neurodiverse.

most of the people who have an issue with him don't sit on websites like this.
the popular vote isn't always the truly correct one. a rational consensus is one thing but it's nothing new for human beings to be sycophantic and irrational, especially in groups or while anonymous. you can read more about this by reading about the online disinhibition effect.
he has had plenty of discussion about his behavior over the span of many years. you can research all of the things in the op of this thread to start with and form your own conclusion on the totality of everything if you wish to spend the time to.

i'm not saying leffen did or did not have a part in this because i don't know. i do however see a toxic trend in his behavior and he did affect this man's livelihood a lot, particularly with being business competition.
hopefully this gets investigated with the respect it deserves by licensed professionals. these are big claims being made.
 
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sneedem&feedem said:
He's an immediate danger to others because he harmed himself? Are you ESL or something?
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You didn't say "danger to others," you said he's harmless, and I disagree. He's delusional, showing an unhealthy obsession with another person, and mentally unstable to the point he tried to violently kill himself. He's not harmless because he's obviously an immediate danger to himself, and yes, people like that can easily become dangers to others.
 
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Nobusuke Kishi said:
You didn't say "danger to others," you said he's harmless, and I disagree. He's delusional, showing an unhealthy obsession with another person, and mentally unstable to the point he tried to violently kill himself. He's not harmless because he's obviously an immediate danger to himself, and yes, people like that can easily become dangers to others.
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"He tried to kill himself therefore he could kill somebody else." He didn't push anybody else onto the train, dumbass. He's wasn't a knife wielding schizo, he was an autist who was getting bullied by the only social group he interacted with.
 
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Nobusuke Kishi said:
You didn't say "danger to others," you said he's harmless, and I disagree. He's delusional, showing an unhealthy obsession with another person, and mentally unstable to the point he tried to violently kill himself. He's not harmless because he's obviously an immediate danger to himself, and yes, people like that can easily become dangers to others.
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who did he harm though?
 
2 Faces 2 Colours said:
Nick DeOrio has been beefing with Technicals ever since he made a video trying to exonerate ZeRo in 2021, a person from the smash community who infamously sexted a 14 year old while being 19, it’s deleted now but I’m sure it’s archived somewhere. He basically made the case that it’s been long enough time and therefore he doesn’t consider him a threat anymore, and one of the main people pushing the allegations are not credible either, therefore he should be totally unbanned from Smash tournaments. The allegation from the victim herself is mostly true, however.
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This is misleading and partly false. While Technicals did attempt to exonerate Zero (and was quite successful in doing so, as he was accused of not only flirting with a minor but of a myriad of baseless claims by Jisu, a good part of them being simply made-up and refuted by other parties involved or a tiny bit of investigation), he never excused him for the flirting with a minor, nor did he ever claim that it was fine for him to return to Smash or be unbanned. He, in fact, said exactly that he should be banned and stay banned multiple times, like in the Zero video itself and at the start of the Ban Nairo video too.

It's also unfair to omit one of the major reasons he's defending Zero beyond the fake accusations in the first place, being that the general reception of his misconduct and its treatment by the Smash community was utterly inconsistent when compared to Nairo's. A huge part of his Zero coverage was about highlighting the hypocrisy of the smash community, I of course definitely agree that what Zero did - flirting with a 14 years old minor even over the internet - is wrong and creepy, and he deserved to be banned for that, but what Nairo did is way way worse. He quite literally had sex with the 15-year-old minor he was flirting with. How is this in any world equivalent? If Zero deserves to 0 compassion/death/stoning because of his actions like you see people on the internet say, then what the fuck does Nairo, an actual real life sex offender, deserve? I personally don't know, but these are the facts: Nairo was unbanned, still has a decent following, makes money off of Smash to this day, gets defended a lot, and definitely doesn't get the death threats and insults Zero always gets when he posts anything on the internet. It's actually insane when you think about it, and a big reason why Technicals defended Zero.
 
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Ancient Of Based said:
How is this in any world equivalent? If Zero deserves to 0 compassion/death/stoning because of his actions like you see people on the internet say, then what the fuck does Nairo, an actual real life sex offender, deserve? I personally don't know, but these are the facts: Nairo was unbanned, still has a decent following, makes money off of Smash to this day, gets defended a lot, and definitely doesn't get the death threats and insults Zero always gets when he posts anything on the internet. It's actually insane when you think about it, and a big reason why Technicals defended Zero.
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The bans are entirely based on vibes and that would lead to some really uncomfortable discussions at this point

The zero video, just in case
 
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he never excused him for the flirting with a minor, nor did he ever claim that it was fine for him to return to Smash or be unbanned. He, in fact, said exactly that he should be banned and stay banned multiple times, like in the Zero video itself and at the start of the Ban Nairo video too.
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I saw the original Technicals video, and you're right, he didn't advocate for ZeRo to be unbanned from tournaments. I got that wrong, I corrected it.
I don't agree that he didn't make any excuses on behalf of ZeRo, what else do you call bringing up his rough childhood and the age of consent in his country? Tech kept saying how he hasn't groomed any other kids afterward for years, so he should be okay now, which doesn't sit well with me. He also painted ZeRo in a sympathetic light by dedicating a section of the video to his suicide attempt, and he used that fact that he was suicidal to retroactively take back a confession he made where he solicited nudes from the 14 year old, which seems awfully convenient. I think it's quite obvious that he wanted people to think less of ZeRo's past actions with the video. I agree with him on Nairo by the way, but I don't understand why ZeRo has to be exonerated just because he's not as bad of a predator.

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Asterism said:
I appreciate your time to make this post and question this dilemma. It's quite valid and I understand where you are coming from and I also agree with your principles here.
I'm asking this purely out of curiosity of your take. What is your opinion on the court actions and eventual settlement between ZeRo and Jisu?

As someone who lightly observed it all, I found the initial Katie allegations to be quite jarring and I still do. However, I cannot help but notice that Jisu failed to accomplish a resolution in court. I also cannot help but wonder why this is.
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I don't know what to say other than that Jisu is stupid for making defamatory claims without properly vetting them.
 
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2 Faces 2 Colours said:
I agree with him on Nairo by the way, but I don't understand why ZeRo has to be exonerated just because he's not as bad of a predator.
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Personally, I never got the sense that Technicals wanted ZeRo to be exonerated in the flatly binary sense - I think looking at it in those terms seeks to oversimplify the situation and seeing things in such black and white is a big part of why the community has the issues it does on both sides.

Rather, I always figured the point that was being made with such arguments is "measure the punishment to the infraction" - it makes no sense to treat ZeRo and Nairo the same when one of them actually fucked a child on two separate occasions. It doesn't say that one of them is bad and the other isn't; rather, it says that one of them is bad and the other is significantly worse, and if I recall correctly, he further made that distinction in later videos where he addressed the topic.

I don't think it's unreasonable to see a situation in which two people have done a bad thing while still making the distinction that they're bad things of different severities. Rather, to conflate the two is a miscarriage of justice and it deflates the severity of the worse cases in a way not dissimilar to how the Tumblr crowd just spent the entire last decade and a half robbing terms like "rape" of their value by casting them over literally everything including just getting looks they dislike from strangers.
 
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I don't agree that he didn't make any excuses on behalf of ZeRo, what else do you call bringing up his rough childhood and the age of consent in his country?
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I agree re: the rough childhood, but the age of consent is somewhat relevant when comparing the two cases. Nairo did commit statutory rape (whether or not it's possible to prosecute), because the minimum age of consent in Florida is 16 if both parties are younger than 23, and Zach was 15. In ZeRo's case, it's possible he could have committed some sort of crime along the lines of indecent communication, but that would depend on where Katie lived at the time and what the laws are there. We only know what the laws are where ZeRo lived. If you look at ZeRo's Xitter replies, to this day there are people who believe he was convicted of sex crimes and is on a list, when in reality we don't even know if there was a crime.

None of this is to say that passing moral judgment is wrong, but you need to be consistent. It's morally inconsistent that the Smash community acts like statutory rape is forgivable as long as the victim is a bad person, while possibly committing indecent communication makes you irredeemable (if someone treats both as irredeemable that's fine and morally consistent, but Tech wasn't talking about those people).
 
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