Bad Plastic Surgery - all the pics

[Otterly]

It would be easier to just wear glasses, scrape back your hair, and wear frumpy clothing. Body modification seems like real overkill.

It’s destruction of the beauty of the self. A destruction of the self, killing the self.
I don’t know of you’ve ever read that book the movie ‘annihilation’ is based on (it’s horrific, a real hideous crawling horror of a concept and it stayed with me a while) but there’s a line in it that goes
I think you’re confusing suicide with self-destruction, and they’re very different. Almost none of us commit suicide, whereas almost all of us self-destruct. Somehow. In some part of our lives
It’s not simply a shield to deflect a sex pest, it’s a destruction of the self.

 

[Gianfranco Pizzaballa]

It’s destruction of the beauty of the self. A destruction of the self, killing the self.
I don’t know of you’ve ever read that book the movie ‘annihilation’ is based on (it’s horrific, a real hideous crawling horror of a concept and it stayed with me a while) but there’s a line in it that goes
I think you’re confusing suicide with self-destruction, and they’re very different. Almost none of us commit suicide, whereas almost all of us self-destruct. Somehow. In some part of our lives
It’s not simply a shield to deflect a sex pest, it’s a destruction of the self.

One believes what one believes, and I don't believe that molestation/abuse is a necessary and sufficient condition for engaging in extreme crazy destructive behavior. For example, some people live through horrific situations but develop a purpose in life. It might be to make enough money to never have to deal with domestic battery, it might be to believe children who claim abuse, it might be to "win" by not letting the bad guys steal their joy. It makes no sense to "destroy the self" while simultaneously plastering that non existent self all over the Internet.

If you are talking about the Jeff Vandermere book, yeah I've read it. But it's fiction.

 

[Arbiter]

Victims of CSA often do horrible things to their body (cutting, anorexia, binge eating, extensive tattoos/body mods, plastic surgery, sex work/promiscuity, medical transition, drug use, etc.) as a way to both destroy their "self" and exert some kind of control over their body. When they look in the mirror, they literally do not want to see themselves or recognize themselves anymore. It's incredibly sad, and it was very eye-opening when I learned so many strange, seemingly unrelated self-destructive behaviors all lead back to CSA.

 

[Gianfranco Pizzaballa]

Victims of CSA often do horrible things to their body (cutting, anorexia, binge eating, extensive tattoos/body mods, plastic surgery, sex work/promiscuity, medical transition, drug use, etc.) as a way to both destroy their "self" and exert some kind of control over their body. When they look in the mirror, they literally do not want to see themselves or recognize themselves anymore. It's incredibly sad, and it was very eye-opening when I learned so many strange, seemingly unrelated self-destructive behaviors all lead back to CSA.

I have a lot of sympathy for kids whose parents fed them to perverted clergy or gymnastics coaches then punished them for speaking out (lying!). But the behavior you describe is mentally disordered and there is nothing stopping a perv from taking advantage of a young disordered person. There are troubled young people like Virginia Guiffre and Nick Reiner who engage in self destructive behavior despite the best efforts of the parents and paid professionals. Sometimes crazies just gonna crazy.

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

I went to school with a girl who had a nose job - which was incredibly unusual in Norf Britain in the early eighties. She had a disproportionately massive nose with a big bump on it and got it fixed and she was genuinely much happier afterwards.
I don’t have an issue with that, or with something like a tummy tuck after you’ve had five kids if the skin is loose and bothersome. Yes she could have had therapy but I don’t think she’d ever have liked it and it really affected her.
I also agree that pain can be lifelong. I knew someone who was born with six toes and had one removed and regretted it - it was always painful and she still couldn’t wear normal width shoes. It’s certainly not something to go I to lightly, all surgery is a risk.

I agree with all your points, but FYI a tummy tuck isn’t actually a cosmetic surgery. The muscles in your abdomen can separate after too many/too large pregnancies and doctors stitch them back together. The result is a stronger core, reduced back pain, and yeah a better aesthetic appearance.

Likewise, a goofy-ass nose can often also be the cause of breathing problems and the resulting nose job will look better and also be more functional.

Part of the problem with plastic surgery is the conflation of purely cosmetic procedures with functional procedures that also have positive cosmetic results. Almost everyone is happier after a tummy tuck, for example. Botox reduces frown lines but chronic frown lines are also a sign of tension headaches —which Botox helps.

Honest studies would show better mental health outcomes for people who had functional issues beforehand, but no one really wants to do these because

A. Insurance likes to claim procedures are purely cosmetic to get out of paying; and

B. Cosmetic surgery industry does not want to publicize the horrific long term results of purely cosmetic surgeries. Breast implants, for example, are a significant predictor of suicide.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Breast implants, for example, are a significant predictor of suicide.

I hate to be the ol correlation doesn't mean causation guy, but I think in this case its more an issue of women who get breast implants are more likely to be pornstars, strippers or other women with severe psychological issues, which are the real predictor of suicide.

In short those women would have offed themselves with or without tit jobs. The same way trannies do not see lower suicide rates after SRS

 

[Lanna]

Are there any examples of botched to saved? Like someone who bogged themselves but later, by some miracle, looked normal after more botox or plastic surgery? I can only think of Lindsay Lohan, but I dont know if she had much work done before the big shift recently (but at what cost? After all that yachting Lindsay?).

 

[Otterly]

but FYI a tummy tuck isn’t actually a cosmetic surgery. The muscles in your abdomen can separate after too many/too large pregnancies and doctors stitch them back together. The result is a stronger core, reduced back pain, and yeah a better aesthetic appearance

Yeah, you’re right. no amount of exercises helps separated abs for lots of women and it does fuck your core up. Sigh.
I’ve never really understood how the stitching together works - do they just use the linea alba to haul it all back together? Does it actually work for core instability?

 

[PandaChai]

I’ve never really understood how the stitching together work

Big staple gun

yachting

Welcome back, @NoBueno

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

In short those women would have offed themselves with or without tit jobs. The same way trannies do not see lower suicide rates after SRS

Risk of suicide actually rises after SRS. It's not just "these people would have killed themselves anyway" - they are actually more likely to kill themselves after having their genitals butchered. Complications include permanently losing the ability to orgasm (or even pee, in some cases), repeated antibiotic-resistant infections, needing a colostomy, edema, wound separation, necrosis, kidney damage, stool leakage, nerve damage, and many more. If you ended up pooping in a bag for the rest of your life because some subreddit made you believe that the procedure that caused you to have to poop in a bag was the way to true happiness, you'd probably be more likely to kill yourself. Yes, psychological comorbidities make suicide significantly more likely, even in trannies who haven't paid tens of thousands of dollars to filet the most delicate parts of their anatomy like a fresh-caught trout, but they aren't the full picture.

Re: breast implants - unlike SRS, I'm only familiar with a few of the possible complications, like capsular contraction and the fact that some implants actually grow mold inside them and make you chronically ill. Those alone sound awful enough that it might make someone not want to live.

Edit: It isn't cosmetic surgery, but LASIK also elevates suicide risk substantially because of post-surgery complications. In general, you just shouldn't mess with certain parts of your body, even if you're mentally and physically healthy.

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

Yeah, you’re right. no amount of exercises helps separated abs for lots of women and it does fuck your core up. Sigh.
I’ve never really understood how the stitching together works - do they just use the linea alba to haul it all back together? Does it actually work for core instability?

It depends on the amount of damage. It can be anything from keyhole surgery through your belly button and a couple stitches, to a hip-to-hip smile across your torso and a graft (either biologic or synthetic mesh).

I’ve talked to women at the gym and yeah it absolutely helps core strength and back pain, especially if the separation was severe.

I’m 100% going to get this done if I have ab separation after I’m done having children. It really should be covered by insurance. It IS actually covered by insurance, but only if the separation is caused by a “gross abdominal tumor”, eg something that can also impact men.

But what are babies except gross abdominal tumors?

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Welcome back, @NoBueno

Not him afaik. New (potential) sock is still contained.

 

[Otterly]

Big staple gun

like a c section! I remember having the staples out after mine and it was kind of bizarre watching them use the little tool, like office staple removers crossed with tongs. kind of gross to watch yet satisfying, nearly asked if i could have a go …
@Rootless Cosmopolitan thats typical isnt it? I swear if men had babies the world would be a very different place. Repair of such damage should be covered.

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

I hate to be the ol correlation doesn't mean causation guy, but I think in this case its more an issue of women who get breast implants are more likely to be pornstars, strippers or other women with severe psychological issues, which are the real predictor of suicide.

In short those women would have offed themselves with or without tit jobs. The same way trannies do not see lower suicide rates after SRS

I think it’s a simple matter of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. Perfectly healthy bodies usually look good and, if they don’t appeal to everyone, that’s usually a matter of taste/fashion. Eg small vs big boobs or a large vs small ass. You should work to love and accept your healthy body for its functionality.

But if something is actually not working properly, it being ugly is just an extra fucking kick in the teeth on top of everything else. Example: I’ve paid out of pocket to treat a funky scar that pulled when I did exercises or took on and off clothing. That it was ugly and is now less ugly is fantastic, but I also didn’t like constantly being reminded of it by the sensations.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

@Rootless Cosmopolitan thats typical isnt it? I swear if men had babies the world would be a very different place. Repair of such damage should be covered.

Hey, men have children and it costs more than a tummy tuck.

Anyway, it sucks that a lot of thing isn't covered even in socialized healthcare. Especially in socialized healthcare where the option to pay for it can be verboten.

 

[No-Eyed Square Guy]

I swear if men had babies the world would be a very different place.

Embrace womanhood, faggot. Man-world does. All my niggas are still fucking their baby mamas (so to speak, except it's white people).

Every physical quality that differentiates men from women is embraced by the average man—and especially by men who strongly desire women. Try not to hate the average man, or the man who really wants you (impossible).

 

[Oracular Slug]

Risk of suicide actually rises after SRS. It's not just "these people would have killed themselves anyway" - they are actually more likely to kill themselves after having their genitals butchered. Complications include permanently losing the ability to orgasm (or even pee, in some cases), repeated antibiotic-resistant infections, needing a colostomy, edema, wound separation, necrosis, kidney damage, stool leakage, nerve damage, and many more. If you ended up pooping in a bag for the rest of your life because some subreddit made you believe that the procedure that caused you to have to poop in a bag was the way to true happiness, you'd probably be more likely to kill yourself. Yes, psychological comorbidities make suicide significantly more likely, even in trannies who haven't paid tens of thousands of dollars to filet the most delicate parts of their anatomy like a fresh-caught trout, but they aren't the full picture.

Re: breast implants - unlike SRS, I'm only familiar with a few of the possible complications, like capsular contraction and the fact that some implants actually grow mold inside them and make you chronically ill. Those alone sound awful enough that it might make someone not want to live.

Edit: It isn't cosmetic surgery, but LASIK also elevates suicide risk substantially because of post-surgery complications. In general, you just shouldn't mess with certain parts of your body, even if you're mentally and physically healthy.

Pedantry: that's not what the study says. The control group wasn't pre/non-op trans people but rather cis people who either had an ER visit and had previously been snipped, or were in the ER for pharyngitis = sore throat. No great surprise that people going to ER sore throats or random ER visits by people who got snipped resulted in less deaths than people under psychiatric care for anything. They confirmed the obvious basically, people requesting invasive surgery are more likely to kill themselves than the idiots in the ER with strep. You don't say?

Get your control groups right people!

ETA: snipped = tubal ligation or vasectomy

 

[Waffle Iron]

Are there any examples of botched to saved? Like someone who bogged themselves but later, by some miracle, looked normal after more botox or plastic surgery? I can only think of Lindsay Lohan, but I dont know if she had much work done before the big shift recently (but at what cost? After all that yachting Lindsay?).

Only examples I can think of are cases where some cheap ass 3rd world butcher fucked a person up, and a 1st world surgeon does his best to fix it. If there are any cases where someone ends up looking better after the later surgery compared to how they started? I wouldn't know. I can't imagine it. The human eye is very sensitive to things looking "off". If someone was fucked up and repaired, the remnants of the butchery still tick you off.

Re: breast implants - unlike SRS, I'm only familiar with a few of the possible complications, like capsular contraction and the fact that some implants actually grow mold inside them and make you chronically ill. Those alone sound awful enough that it might make someone not want to live.

You can have a variety of complications. Although one common problem is that women never replace them. You're supposed to get new implants after a number of years, but most women decide "well the old ones aren't clearly killing me, so I won't bother with another surgery". Then you have some obvious problems like nipples becoming less sensitive (or painful), nerve damage in the breast tissue general, the silicone slowly leeching, the silicone bag getting encapsulated by the body.

Spoiler: youtube sh*rt of a breast implant that developed an eggshell

But, of course, compared to drilling a hole in your crotch and deliberately keeping the wound open with a plastic rod, the potential complications are far fewer and less severe for breast implants.

eg something that can also impact men.

Or insurance companies just try to minimize the things they have to pay out for. They're the same people that claim everything is a pre-existing condition and therefore not covered.

 

[Lanna]

Only examples I can think of are cases where some cheap ass 3rd world butcher fucked a person up, and a 1st world surgeon does his best to fix it. If there are any cases where someone ends up looking better after the later surgery compared to how they started? I wouldn't know. I can't imagine it. The human eye is very sensitive to things looking "off". If someone was fucked up and repaired, the remnants of the butchery still tick you off.

What about Courtney Cox's filler removal? Would this be considered saved or just cope?

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

What about Courtney Cox's filler removal? Would this be considered saved or just cope?View attachment 8311504

She looks like herself again. Or closer to it.