🐱 Baltimore tore down all its Confederate monuments in one night

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In an overnight operation, Baltimore removed four Confederate monuments from the city, rushing to get them down in the early hours of Wednesday morning. The removals came hours after President Trump defended the white nationalist demonstrators who rallied in Charlottesville, Virginia, in unrest over the weekend that led to the death of one 32-year-old woman and two Virginia state troopers.

The statues were taken down at the order of Mayor Catherine Pugh with the unanimous support of the city council, which passed a resolution on Monday. Pugh told the Baltimore Sun she was surprised that more hadn’t been done to remove the statues before her term.

“I am a responsible person, so we moved as quickly as we could,” she said.

A small group of contractors took the monuments down with cranes, guarded by police and flanked by a small TV crew, a few night-owl activists, and Pugh, who told the Baltimore Sun that she personally watched the statues come down.

The four statues removed were:

  • Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson Monument, which showed the two Confederate generals on horseback, put up in 1948.
  • Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument, which depicts the allegorical figure of “Glory” holding a dying Confederate soldier in one arm and a laurel crown in the other, built in 1903.
  • Roger B. Taney Monument, depicting the Supreme Court chief justice who wrote the 1857 Dred Scott decision, which affirmed that black Americans had no claim to citizenship, built in 1887. While Taney wasn’t officially a member of the Confederacy, he stood as a symbol for the support of slavery.
  • Confederate Women’s Monument, which celebrate the role of women in the Civil War, dedicated in 1917.
The monuments were put on flatbed trucks and escorted out of town by police.

On Wednesday morning, all that was left of the city’s Confederate monuments were a handful of empty pedestals. As a result of the removals, no symbols of the Confederacy remain on public grounds in Baltimore.

The removals came hours after Trump reaffirmed his initial remarks on the Charlottesville protests that “many sides” were responsible for the violence. On Monday, he condemned (reading from prepared remarks) white supremacist groups, and on Tuesday spoke off the cuff at a press gathering at Trump Tower, reasserting that he believed there was “blame on both sides.”
 
No, they've been planning on taking them down for awhile. Things just came to a head recently, as we know, so it's a good opportunity to just go ahead and get it over with.

The statues won't be destroyed, but they'll be relocated.

As much as I hate rewarding bad behavior (which this is), I support Baltimore's decision. Confederate monuments don't deserve destruction, but they belong in a museum. I'm fine with monuments that memorialize the soldiers (both Union and Confederate) who lost their lives in the Civil War, but monuments to Confederate leaders like Robert E. Lee are pretty tasteless when they're outside a museum. Like @MarineTrainedTard said, they were traitors who started a war and wanted to preserve slavery in our country. That's not even getting into how Confederate monuments are becoming magnets that attract both Neo-Nazis/alt-right morons and Antifa/far left morons.

I don't see how it's productive to expect a modern-day Georgian to feel ashamed of some shit he had no hand in. It doesn't matter how shitty you find it, the blame is not with these people today.

The removal of these statues is damage control and virtue signalling. It's all a political move and it changes nothing.

You're completely right, modern-day Southerners in general should not be blamed for the actions of people who died well over a century ago. But at the same time, those modern-day Southerners really shouldn't be celebrating the Confederacy. Like I said earlier, it's pretty cringey to see people extol the virtues of the Confederacy when it was a failed state that lasted barely 4 years and was founded to preserve slavery in the South. Not to mention that the whole "Lost Cause" revisionist history they usually cite is bullshit.

For the record, I'm not saying that wanting to protect monuments equals celebrating the Confederacy. I'm just pointing out that this clusterfuck has brought a lot of Confederacy supporters out of the woodwork.
 
As a Baltimorean:

So first of all, I don't regard monuments as immutable things that should never be removed. My opinion on this came from reading about the plan to put up a monument to Divine in town. So it turns out that if you want to put up a monument here (and it's probably the same in most cities), all you pretty much need is money. It's very easy. You need to secure the property and the necessary permits, and provide the city with enough money to maintain them for a few years (dealing with vandalism and whatnot).

Now, I'm sure they'd have a little hearing so citizens can voice their objections, but if your proposed monument is vanilla/obscure enough (and hell, it doesn't need to be that vanilla in Baltimore, considering the above monument) no one's really going to show up to complain about it.

Because of how easy it is to put up a monument, there needs to be (and there is) a process to take them down. Progress and economic development are very important (especially to a city like Baltimore, considering our problems) and they stand in opposition to historical sites. You want to build a new complex, you might need to tear down some old buildings. But it needs to be considered carefully, and both sides (history vs progress) need to be balanced.

And in practice, we are very good at balancing history vs progress here in Baltimore. We have more public statues and monuments, per capita, than any other city in the US, and almost a third of the buildings here are on the National Register of Historic Places, also more than any other US city. If you're interested in civil war history, there's an excellent trail, as well as a museum, going along the inner harbor discussing Baltimore's divided loyalties during the war.

I'm OK with all of the above.

So specifically for these monuments, here's why I'm OK with taking them down:
  • They've been planning on how to take them down for awhile now. This isn't a spur-of-the-moment thing (other than the actual execution)
  • They won't be destroyed, they'll be relocated, perhaps to confederate cemeteries in Maryland
Antifags don't get to destroy the statues. We don't have a memorial for nazis to start shit at, a la Charlottesville. Both sets of dipshits lose, Baltimore doesn't get a shitfit (except from internet antifags/nazis who are butthurt we didn't 100% accede to their sperging), everyone else wins.

All in all, it's a very reasonable, mature decision and I applaud it.

Edit: And Mayor Pugh, who I've otherwise ignored recently, specifically said something about how she didn't want to piss off a bunch of nazis and make Baltimore another Charlottesville, by yielding to the antifags request that they specifically be destroyed, instead of just relocated. That's very respectable and practical, I think.
 
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They won't be destroyed, they'll be relocated, perhaps to confederate cemeteries in Maryland
In this case, that's fair. What's stopping the antifags from destroying them at their new location, though? Aren't they already fine with desecrating cemeteries of people they don't like?
 
I don't see how it's productive to expect a modern-day Georgian to feel ashamed of some shit he had no hand in. It doesn't matter how shitty you find it, the blame is not with these people today.

The removal of these statues is damage control and virtue signalling. It's all a political move and it changes nothing.
Ehh, sure, I can agree with that. Forget I said anything.
 
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In this case, that's fair. What's stopping the antifags from destroying them at their new location, though? Aren't they already fine with desecrating cemeteries of people they don't like?
I'm more concerned about a riot in Baltimore than the destruction, necessarily. Funds exist to maintain these memorials, so they'd just be repaired and put back up.

So you're always going to have vandals and random shitheads fucking with cemeteries, but the risk and potential damage gets a lot bigger in a big city.

If it's off in a quiet cemetery out in Frederick county, that's a lot easier to deal with than balls-deep in Baltimore.
 
So specifically for these monuments, here's why I'm OK with taking them down:
  • They've been planning on how to take them down for awhile now. This isn't a spur-of-the-moment thing (other than the actual execution)
  • They won't be destroyed, they'll be relocated, perhaps to confederate cemeteries in Maryland

If they were going to do it at all, doing it immediately and before a riot was the right way to go. There has been too much of that shit in the last year already.
 
Good. Anyone who wonders why the elected officials decided to do this instead of something else can vote the officials out, assuming you live there and aren't just crying about something across your state's boundary line.
FYI, Baltimore is run by retards like the following:

I can't wait for the day the plague...-I mean plaque of a certain sonnet written by socialist and ironically proto-Zionist Emma Lazurus is removed from the Statue of Liberty, installed years after its construction. Fair game, right?
 
...it's pretty cringey to see people extol the virtues of the Confederacy when it was a failed state that lasted barely 4 years...
In all fairness, it failed because it lost the war, not because it self-destructed.

Personally, I don't understand why these things were removed. Removing them isn't going to change history or a racist asshole's mind and all it does is show that rioting and acting like a bunch of uncivilized chimps will get you what you want.

So how long until they start tearing down statues dedicated to the North's generals and soldiers? I mean if they want to tear down statues dedicated to racist assholes they're only going to half-ass it if they don't head up north and start rioting and burning shit.
 
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