Barbie - A More Successful Movie than You'd Think

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Pokemon Conquistador said:
Christianity was also a big part of A Wrinkle in Time, although not as overtly as it is in C.S. Lewis' works.
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They could sense enough of it to ass rape the absolute fuck out of it. Absolutely fuck what Pedowood did to WiT.
Oglooger said:
If the Japanese really want to get under American's skin, they should have Barbie and Oppenheimer kneeling on George Floyd or footage of BLM riots.
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Have Godzilla kneeling on George Floyd while yelling NIGGER.
 
The Heartthrob said:
I thought the movie was good overall. I expected it to present some of the messages it did and some of them weren't even wrong. I think that speech about how women never feel good enough was pretty genuine. I liked that it explored how Barbie's world doesn't match reality either. The patriarchy shit is whatever, but I think the way Ken viewed it made a lot of sense.

The thing that really ruined the movie for me was how they ended the battle of the sexes. Every time a piece of media does that, I always have much higher expectations than what they end up giving. From the beginning, the Kens are clearly the second class in Barbie Land and are pushed to compete with each other in order to win the Barbies' favor. They hold no positions of power and there's no concern for them whatsoever, even down to where they sleep. Then when Ken is exposed to change and leads a revolt, the Barbies learn how it feels first-hand and then they lead a revolt of their own. You'd think that'd be the point where they'd apologize to each other and decide to grow together. But instead you get some starving children in Africa bullshit where the Kens continue to be subjugated because women outside of their world aren't like Barbies. There's no real message and no resolution there. I think it just fails to see why it all happened in the first place.

At the same time though it's weird because I almost feel like the writers got it and then decided not to go there. It's wank bait for low self-esteem women that believe shitting on men makes them more valuable, so I wonder if they preferred that angle over a feel good ending that'd wrap up that plot line. Based on the headlines from the usual suspects and how conservative media is responding, it'd make sense.
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Honestly the ending bombing that badly nearly completely soured the film, there's a decent argument to be made that the only reason the MGTOW Ken thing has kicked off is because not only did Gosling completely steal the show, but he and all the Kens were completely wronged by the ending. You remove that and the meme would have died out within a weekend. Even something as simple as "The Kens established their own Kendom adjacent to Barbieland where they could have fun and games" would have negated the ending bombing but instead Ken's end up just like they were at the start: a complete afterthought.
 
Oglooger said:
If the Japanese really want to get under American's skin, they should have Barbie and Oppenheimer kneeling on George Floyd or footage of BLM riots.
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Isn't it depressing that the event that broke America in half an put it straight on the rails to what would become clown world doesn't even generate a blip of outrage, but the moment anything may mock saint Floyd of Fentanyl and not breathing suddenly all hell would fucking break loose?
 
Oglooger said:
If the Japanese really want to get under American's skin, they should have Barbie and Oppenheimer kneeling on George Floyd or footage of BLM riots.
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And then sprinkle in the Vegas shooting to inform American's thick skin on gun control.
ShitLurker said:
Isn't it depressing that the event that broke America in half an put it straight on the rails to what would become clown world doesn't even generate a blip of outrage, but the moment anything may mock saint Floyd of Fentanyl and not breathing suddenly all hell would fucking break loose?
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Even beforehand, clown world started in late-2014 and got worse by 2015 onward
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Honestly the ending bombing that badly nearly completely soured the film, there's a decent argument to be made that the only reason the MGTOW Ken thing has kicked off is because not only did Gosling completely steal the show, but he and all the Kens were completely wronged by the ending. You remove that and the meme would have died out within a weekend. Even something as simple as "The Kens established their own Kendom adjacent to Barbieland where they could have fun and games" would have negated the ending bombing but instead Ken's end up just like they were at the start: a complete afterthought.
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I agree. It drops a problem in the audience's lap and then decides not to solve it, but it really seemed like they were building up to something. So much so that I'd wager that the ending was a last-minute decision or even a call back to the Amy Schumer script once they realized it was branching off too far from where they wanted it to go. There's a lot they could've done with it whether that would be making a Ken settlement that has maybe a Max Steel gag, or having them all live together and explain the origin of the career Ken dolls that the movie doesn't have, anything over the Kens being too dumb to care about having no progress after their revolt.
 
ShitLurker said:
Isn't it depressing that the event that broke America in half an put it straight on the rails to what would become clown world doesn't even generate a blip of outrage, but the moment anything may mock saint Floyd of Fentanyl and not breathing suddenly all hell would fucking break loose?
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That's because American culture is based around the worship of -
 
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TVBForever said:
Even beforehand, clown world started in late-2014 and got worse by 2015 onward
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Nah, I mean that 9/11 broke something hard that started the long treck to clown world, 2014 like you say is when the honking could be heard on the streets and during Saint Floyd of Fentanyl and not breathing you had the full circus performing in a fiery (yet peaceful) way.
Omen_Sulk said:
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Oh, I'm sure the dude is not thinking on how much of a bullet he dodged there.
 
I watched it with my girlfriend today. Fun if you turn off your brain, absolutely poisonous message though.

Also it did kinda make me laugh that the Barbies are all happy living completely vacuous party girl lives; with nothing ever really getting done but everyone congratulating each other; but when the Kens tried that, they were still massively unfulfilled. The barbies needed to be ranted at and ideologically converted to do anything, but the Kens figured it out themselves. Pretty funny. Gosling was yoked as well, which was great.
 
AnOminous said:
Have Godzilla kneeling on George Floyd while yelling NIGGER.
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We got memes of Godzilla kneeling on King Kong during the time Godzilla vs. King Kong came out. That's close enough
 
The Heartthrob said:
I agree. It drops a problem in the audience's lap and then decides not to solve it, but it really seemed like they were building up to something. So much so that I'd wager that the ending was a last-minute decision or even a call back to the Amy Schumer script once they realized it was branching off too far from where they wanted it to go. There's a lot they could've done with it whether that would be making a Ken settlement that has maybe a Max Steel gag, or having them all live together and explain the origin of the career Ken dolls that the movie doesn't have, anything over the Kens being too dumb to care about having no progress after their revolt.
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It took me a while to think about this:

So it (the film) is about existential angst

How do men solve existential angst? They build communities. How do women solve it? Becoming increasingly neurotic.

Only MC Ken and MC Barbie are ready for enlightenment....and (as a woman) MC Barbie sabotages MC Path to enlightenment and becoming a real person.
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
It took me a while to think about this:

So it (the film) is about existential angst

How do men solve existential angst? They build communities. How do women solve it? Becoming increasingly neurotic.

Only MC Ken and MC Barbie are ready for enlightenment....and (as a woman) MC Barbie sabotages MC Path to enlightenment and becoming a real person.
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That's a good point. Even when the Barbies try to get the Kens to turn against each other, they eventually reform their brotherhood without any outside help. As if the earlier revolt had already liberated a large enough part of their minds away from the Barbies that reigniting their old conflict was nothing more than a temporary distraction (which even the Barbies realize). Even though the plot forces them to be dumb in the end, we as the audience have already seen what they're capable of. It's hard not to think that post-movie, they'd go on to reform their Kendom elsewhere.

What's odd to me too is that they never tell us how the Barbies were brainwashed. The Kens clearly made the decision to join the revolution for themselves, minus Allan being an ally which makes no sense. By the time we make it to the end when Ken says that he lost interest in the idea of the patriarchy early on and didn't really like being a leader and passes the coat on to someone that does, are we then to assume that every Barbie likes to lead by comparison? They all like being in charge, despite how quickly they folded the moment the opportunity to take the backseat presented itself? It makes me think that maybe they weren't as trapped as we're led to believe.

Something else is that Barbie Land and the real world are connected. Everyone's freaked out about how a massive change in Barbie Land would start to affect reality, but Ken's actions only seemed to affect the doll line. He became the flagship character of the doll line and it became a boy toy instead. The rest of the world was unaffected, as it was when the Barbies were in charge and real women weren't reflecting her as accurately as she thought (and largely viewed her as a negative role model). But if we're to assume that tipping the balance in Barbie Land would have dire consequences on the real world and it's not just a red herring, wouldn't that mean that helping the Barbies reform their dictatorship in Barbie Land would enforce the opposite in reality? That giving the Kens hope and nothing more means they're giving little girls the same in reality? Why would they want that?
 
Before the movie dropped I thought the sideplot between barbie and ken would be like an exagerated romcom thing as in that barbie saw ken as a complete afterthought and that after the real world they'd go through goofy hijinks and they would somehow end up together not as in barbie (and ken) but as in barbie AND ken and it would be like the emotional climax of the movie that solved everything.


how do you guys think ryan gosling felt when he had to hit on the tranny barbie? :|
 
I watched the Barbie, honestly it felt like fight club for women. Thank you for my Ted X talk
 
A few posts from, guess who, the TV Tropes users, saying it disproved the “go woke go broke” notion, which they claim never had any evidence to begin with, and they see as something invented by the alt-right:
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