Battletech - Also known as Trannytech

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Balr0g said:
I wonder though how Clan Wolf will settle on Terra now that the Republic has fallen. While alaric certainly hasn't pulled any punches Terra is the most popoulus planet in the IS and it's population is often described as having a "facsistic streak" Though that might be a good fit for the techno fascists that are the Clans
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Probably pretty fucking terribly. I don't think anyone on Terra is going to be happy for the Wolves to be in charge given what a mess they made during the invasion. I'm expecting a simmering anti-Clan guerilla campaign that ultimately makes being the ilClan more trouble than its worth.
 
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Probably pretty fucking terribly. I don't think anyone on Terra is going to be happy for the Wolves to be in charge given what a mess they made during the invasion. I'm expecting a simmering anti-Clan guerilla campaign that ultimately makes being the ilClan more trouble than its worth.
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Well given the hints we got that the IlClan will last at least until 3250 I'd wager Alaric will find a way. Plus if the Terrans have the choice between being a Wolf citizen or a Capellan citizen I bet they choose the Wolves.
 
Keep in mind that Terra has had an unbroken line of strong planetary bureaucracy for literally over a thousand years now. The rulers might change, the place might get flattened on occasion, but Terra has been someone's seat of power since the start of the Age of War. If Alaric has any sense (and he's Katrina Steiner's son so he does), he'll take over the upper rungs of power, keep his Clan civilians separate from the locals, and rebuild whatever the Clans broke in the invasion.

Essentially, do what ComStar did for the Clans during the early invasion: let the civvies keep doing what they do, issue directives as needed. The Clans have been part of the Inner Sphere for over a hundred years now, and Clan Wolf had first their Occupation Zone to manage, and then the Wolf Empire. And between being ruled by Alaric "I'm the Archon Now!" Wolf and Malvina "Fuck You Fuck You Fuck Yooooou!" Hazen, I think the Terrans know just how big a bullet they dodged.
 
The thing is though that the Wolves aren't exactly the smartest when it comes to manage an occupation zone. The Bears are way smarter in their terms of integrating the local population. The Terrans will most likely watch for a while and then decide. Comstar nearly lost Terra after Kerensky left because they didn't realize how Terrans tick when it comes to being the center of the IS.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
The only correct answer to people trying to cancel Pardoe by going "I won't buy this book from this author!" is to point out that the fandom is becoming richer for losing those people.
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Like they were ever really fans in the first place.

I didn't see sexual deviants and troons pop up in BT until after Troontech came out.
 
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White Devil said:
Like they were ever really fans in the first place.

I didn't see sexual deviants and troons pop up in BT until after Troontech came out.
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Yeah. Thankfully, it's neither accessible enough nor chic enough to attract these people otherwise. Let's just hope it stays that way. The few shitheads HBS brought in quickly moved on to DnD or WH.
 
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Even without pandering, trannies, deviants and entryists are just an inevitable consequence of success. HBS BT was successful beyond their wildest dreams, so... yeah.

Thankfully most of them didn't hang around too long. All the numbers scared most of the posers away, so only the autistic troons and hardcore screechy slacktivists remain. Again, thankfully, the main BT audience is already autistic as fuck so we should be good for a while.
 
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It's hard to play your stupid idpol bullshit when the game revolves around driving giant robots to kill each other and commit the occasional war crime.

I honestly think BT might be harder for the entryists to claw a path into than even 40k was. They made a LITTLE headway with GW, but since then they still haven't gotten their female Spess Mehreens or brave and stunning IG trannies.
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
It's hard to play your stupid idpol bullshit when the game revolves around driving giant robots to kill each other and commit the occasional war crime.

I honestly think BT might be harder for the entryists to claw a path into than even 40k was. They made a LITTLE headway with GW, but since then they still haven't gotten their female Spess Mehreens or brave and stunning IG trannies.
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Doesn't help them that the setting is already diverse in race & men/women. Only thing they can sperg over is the alphabet soup, but the setting isn't some BioWare game where the romance is a selling point.

Also, random thought, but do you think the Clans kill their trannies? They love their eugenics, so something tells me people with retardation neurological problems aren't well recieved amongst the Clans.
 
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Capsaicin Addict said:
They made a LITTLE headway with GW, but since then they still haven't gotten their female Spess Mehreens or brave and stunning IG trannies.
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I'm neither much of a fan nor very knowledgable about Warhammer 40K, but female space marines is basically where the setting just dies. It's not so much that introducing them against all previous lore would be that terrible, it would be pretty much like those Primaris guys I guess, but the thing that this represents is a step so far into the wrong direction, so far towards people who give no shit about GW or their products and only about their own agenda, that it can't be put into words how much of a mistake that would be. There is a core audience that keeps this brand aloft and those are the people who were perfectly happy with the product they already had. Pandering to those guys is not giving in to "entitled toxic fans", it's giving your paying customer what he wants. Giving in to the demands of people who insinuate that they are held back from being customers cause the setting needs to pander to LGBT-stuff is pandering to entitled toxic people, who are on the sidelines, yet demand a product be changed to suit them, since it's utterly incomprehensible that a product might simply not pander to them.

There will come a time when companies like GW will stop listening to the input from the sidelines. A point where these companies will stop giving in to the demands of people who want a product to be changed, even though they never had any investment in it and never will.
The questions are: What damage will be done until then and how will it be repaired.
 
StevieLasVegas said:
Doesn't help them that the setting is already diverse in race & men/women. Only thing they can sperg over is the alphabet soup, but the setting isn't some BioWare game where the romance is a selling point.

Also, random thought, but do you think the Clans kill their trannies? They love their eugenics, so something tells me people with retardation neurological problems aren't well recieved amongst the Clans.
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Even the alphabet soup is somewhat iffy since there's already some stuff going on there. House Amaris was started by a lesbian, for example.

As for trannies, can't kill what's not there. The Clans' eugenics programs only apply to the Warrior caste (and a couple other Clan-specific minor cases), and it would heavily select against sexual deviancy because despite their accepting attitude towards casual sex they're still pretty conservative otherwise. Add to it that gender identity isn't important for canister-born Warriors raised in coed environments since birth, and there's just not much space for the social infection to spread. Plus, if they go "IT'S MA'AM!" so hard it triggers a Trial of Grievance, eventually they'll challenge the wrong "transphobe" and get killed. Or irritate their superior and get set to investigate these woods over there for Steiner Scouting Parties in an UrbanMech IIC.

Trannies in their civilian castes would also get no support because, again, conservative society and troons' "needs" for ill-fitting clothes and superfluous medical procedures to feed their vanity would not be looked upon kindly. And the Clans are an authoritarian police state. Anyone trying to start their own little gendercult in the Chatterweb would get a housecall by some Elemental Watch officers really quick.

As for the Inner Sphere, while galactic-scale politics must be conservative due to arranged political marriages being not only common but defined as being between a man and a woman, individual planets could have their own things going on. Barring specific events in their own history, though, after three Succession Wars a lot of planets in the Inner Sphere would simply not be at the right level of economical prosperity and population development to even give a shit about First World Problems like gender politics. Sure, Tharkad or Atreus with their populations in the multiple billions might have a "vibrant" LGBT community depending on who's in charge at the time, but a 6-million inhabitant rock in the middle of the Draconis Combine like Port Arthur? Good fucking luck.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I'm neither much of a fan nor very knowledgable about Warhammer 40K, but female space marines is basically where the setting just dies. It's not so much that introducing them against all previous lore would be that terrible, it would be pretty much like those Primaris guys I guess, but the thing that this represents is a step so far into the wrong direction, so far towards people who give no shit about GW or their products and only about their own agenda, that it can't be put into words how much of a mistake that would be. There is a core audience that keeps this brand aloft and those are the people who were perfectly happy with the product they already had. Pandering to those guys is not giving in to "entitled toxic fans", it's giving your paying customer what he wants. Giving in to the demands of people who insinuate that they are held back from being customers cause the setting needs to pander to LGBT-stuff is pandering to entitled toxic people, who are on the sidelines, yet demand a product be changed to suit them, since it's utterly incomprehensible that a product might simply not pander to them.

There will come a time when companies like GW will stop listening to the input from the sidelines. A point where these companies will stop giving in to the demands of people who want a product to be changed, even though they never had any investment in it and never will.
The questions are: What damage will be done until then and how will it be repaired.
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GW has been pretty consistent in keeping the unwanted fucks who want to ruin popular things away. When the pandering started to get really bad in gaming & comics, GW got sent a request asking them to change a model wearing animal pelts because skinning animals is bad (I think it was for the Space Wolves). GW told them that they would agree to stop skinning the animals, but instead they would do a laundry list of other things to the animals like burning it alive, shooting at it until disappeared, converting it into a Chaos Spawn just to skin it alive and so on. I think they even called out the request by bringing up how they had no issues whatsoever with Flayed Ones that wear other people's skin. It was pretty hilarious

GW's problem however is abusing its fanbase for their money and their recent purge of fan content is what caused their fandom's exodus
 
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StevieLasVegas said:
GW has been pretty consistent in keeping the unwanted fucks who want to ruin popular things away. When the pandering started to get really bad in gaming & comics, GW got sent a request asking them to change a model wearing animal pelts because skinning animals is bad (I think it was for the Space Wolves). GW told them that they would agree to stop skinning the animals, but instead they would do a laundry list of other things to the animals like burning it alive, shooting at it until disappeared, converting it into a Chaos Spawn just to skin it alive and so on. I think they even called out the request by bringing up how they had no issues whatsoever with Flayed Ones that wear other people's skin. It was pretty hilarious

GW's problem however is abusing its fanbase for their money and their recent purge of fan content is what caused their fandom's exodus
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What glorious times to be alive... when the best thing you can hope for as a franchise's fan is being nickel-and-dime'd. I don't know how prevalent SJW-stuff is in GW, I know they had some nasty "be with us or fuck off" open letter during the BLM-stoked race riots, but LGBT-bullshit seems to be not as strongly involved in their company politics... as of now, that is. We all know it's a kind of cancer that takes grip of a company, slowly metastases until it reaches a critical limit and before you even know it, your favorite IP is being taken over by butch-dyke lesbian Mary Sues, male characters are shamed, character assassinated or turned into incomprehensibly stupid morons, while the whole IP takes a dive into the wonders of utterly bizarre depravity.
 
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Even the alphabet soup is somewhat iffy since there's already some stuff going on there. House Amaris was started by a lesbian, for example.

As for trannies, can't kill what's not there. The Clans' eugenics programs only apply to the Warrior caste (and a couple other Clan-specific minor cases), and it would heavily select against sexual deviancy because despite her accepting attitude towards casual sex they're still pretty conservative otherwise. Add to it that gender identity isn't important for canister-born Warriors raised in coed environments since birth, and there's just not much space for the social infection to spread. Plus, if they go "IT'S MA'AM!" so hard it triggers a Trial of Grievance, eventually they'll challenge the wrong "transphobe" and get killed. Or irritate their superior and get set to investigate these woods over there for Steiner Scouting Parties in an UrbanMech IIC.

Trannies in their civilian castes would also get no support because, again, conservative society and troons' "needs" for ill-fitting clothes and superfluous medical procedures to feed their vanity would not be looked upon kindly. And the Clans are an authoritarian police state. Anyone trying to start their own little gendercult in the Chatterweb would get a housecall by some Elemental Watch officers really quick.

As for the Inner Sphere, while galactic-scale politics must be conservative due to arranged political marriages being not only common but defined as being between a man and a woman, individual planets could have their own things going on. Barring specific events in their own history, though, after three Succession Wars a lot of planets in the Inner Sphere would simply not be at the right level of economical prosperity and population development to even give a shit about First World Problems like gender politics. Sure, Tharkad or Atreus with their populations in the multiple billions might have a "vibrant" LGBT community depending on who's in charge at the time, but a 6-million inhabitant rock in the middle of the Draconis Combine like Port Arthur? Good fucking luck.
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I had to look up the Urbie IIC, and dear lord is it adorable. As to the rest, I guess we're not going to talk about the Magistracy then? Because dear lord do the gendersoup crowd love that place for obvious reasons of sexual deviancy.
 
Snekposter said:
I had to look up the Urbie IIC, and dear lord is it adorable. As to the rest, I guess we're not going to talk about the Magistracy then? Because dear lord do the gendersoup crowd love that place for obvious reasons of sexual deviancy.
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Yeah, but the problem is that it's not special.

Everyone KNOWS Canopus is a hive of degeneracy. It's a given. It's like Vegas. And nobody cares because, well, we just got another fucking Clan batchall in or the Great Houses are feuding again or there's another pirate raid.

'Uwu, look at me I am nonbinary and--'
'Yeah, yeah, nobody cares, get your ass in the goddamned Wyvern, we got Jade Falcons to kill!'

In a very real way, the BT universe is one where 9 times out of 10, you only keep what you have by force of arms. Not by diversity, not by singing 'kumbaya', but by shooting some motherfucker in the face with a PPC.
 
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BT and even MW5 modding has its fair share of troons, granted the former is not too big and the latter is niche and quiet as hell so its not as annoying tbh


Ive heard Rougetech's community can be spergy as fuck tho
 
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