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unlike Rasalhague, which..
Let me just say the Clan that eventually settled in the Rasalhague region also gets shit on in the lore. I don't care what "Oh Ghost Bear still has the numbers or whatever" they fought a stupid pointless war because a stupid mary sue faction THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN LIKE told them "nah you're not good enough."

I fucking hate the IlClan era so much. It's bad.
 
Let me just say the Clan that eventually settled in the Rasalhague region also gets shit on in the lore. I don't care what "Oh Ghost Bear still has the numbers or whatever" they fought a stupid pointless war because a stupid mary sue faction THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN LIKE told them "nah you're not good enough."

I fucking hate the IlClan era so much. It's bad.
And were right back up to normal power levels over night. No exhausted units, no emptied supply depots, no factories working overtime to produce new arms and equipment, no undermanned units filled with undertrained and green recruits just shoved in because they were a warm body. Nope, it was like their civil war came and went and nothing at all was the result.
 
I've taken a look at that RenegadeTech ruleset and... honestly, it feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In search of replacing a system that requires you to roll to hit, and then roll for location, they implemented a system that requires you to roll to hit, and then roll to location, only there are a bunch more rules and bookkeeping around the shape of the attack, whether or not you're hitting with the left or right side of the template, whether you're possibly splashing damage to other locations, etc, etc.

And worse, it makes it impossible to have a simplified record sheet like in the TROs:
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Because every location needs to be specified in a two-dimensional grid, instead of BT's simple rows. I understand what they were trying to do, but I really don't think it's an improvement.

As for LBX cluster ammo, grouping it like LRMs is completely missing the point of cluster shot. They're there to hunt for critical hits. Grouping it makes a LB 10-X go from 7 chances to hit a head/open location on average, to only 2. And it makes LB 2-X and LB 5-X cluster ammo objectively useless because they'll be paying an average of half their damage (rounding up) for a -1 to-hit bonus.

This all just confirms my previous statement that there's only so much streamlining you can do before things start losing their purpose. Alpha Strike at least tries to come up with a brand new ruleset instead of trying to modify a game with as many variables as BT.
I've played it a lot and the biggest change is that energy and ballistic weapons now have specific uses. Instead of armor just being a block that had to be completely wiped out to get to the juicy mechmeat inside, you now have ballistic weapons that knock off blocks of armor and energy weapons that drill small holes but can go right through the armor to get to internals. You use ballistic or missile to remove the armor to the point that the energy has a chance of penetrating. The flip side of that coin is based on how much armor there is, the energy weapon might penetrate or it might effectively be useless. But the big takeaway is ballistic weapons do have a place and you see more than just flashbulbs on the battlefield.

Just try it. You might like it, you might not.
 
As trashy as BLP's writing has been for the past decade, at least he wrote some good eras of BT, too. The current team's fucking clueless, yes.
Baine is a very good scifi author, and I feel that firing him is actually a disservice as he could make the IlClan make some bit of sense. He had written both Hour of the Wolf and No Substitute for Victory both of which deals with the IlClan era and both made the clans make sense in their motivations rather than rah rah Clan Wolf best. However I feel that the political thrillers he wrote is more or less just exploitation and his Land and Sea books are more or less the same as his Battletech novels. Point is that without him the current crop of writers couldn't figure out how to make their characters stand out without linking them to the main power players if that makes sense.
 
I haven't gotten into anything ilClan except through mostly you guys and a few Sarna pages but from everything I've heard Alaric isn't much smarter than Nikolai Malthus and is certainly at least as arrogant and psychotic as he was. Which is entirely in line with him being a fucked-up revenge baby bred by Katherine Steiner-Davion (not very stable at the best of times) using her genes (uh-oh), Vlad Ward's (again, not a stable man at times) and with a bit of her brother Victor's, as if we needed more proof she was an insane woman with insane ideas.
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I can't be the only one who sees a bit of the old Habsburg Face on Alaric Ward.
 
is certainly at least as arrogant and psychotic as he was.

Alaric isn't psychotic or arrogant or anything, per se. The main problem of the Ilkhan era is that Wolf wins forever because they win. There's no particular depth or anything, it's like.... see, it's the absolute lack of something creative. Wolf wins because they're Wolf and Wolf wins because they're the protagonist. Jade Falcons pulling up a surprise win? Can't happen, also we have to morph the Falcons into a psychotic bunch of murderers to make Wolf look better because they're the Protagonist. The Republic and Stone end up with the most idiotic plan so Wolf can win. Every other useful Clan bends the knee to Wolf.

For a game that prides itself in its narrative, the Protagonist Mania Battletech has is deep and impossible to escape. Ages ago it was Davion, then the Goons, then Fochstar, then Wolf. At this point I do believe CGL realize no one likes Alaric and are planning to do something, it's not like they aren't prone to massive changes to their plans out of improvisation (remember when Stone was going to defeat Alaric in a Circle of Equals and become his counselor instead of dying suffocated in a hospital bed?).
 
Alaric isn't psychotic or arrogant or anything, per se.
So, how many people has he killed in cold blood out of pure opportunism?
remember when Stone was going to defeat Alaric in a Circle of Equals and become his counselor instead of dying suffocated in a hospital bed?
That sounds infinitely better than what we got.
Hanse's enemies were at least allowed to be competent and rack up wins of their own, like the War of 3039 where Teddy managed to fake him out, Takashi learned from his prior mistakes, and then after one unpleasant holo-call from the Capellans Victor proceeded to be not the man his father was, yet still capable enough in his own way, although there were no shortage of fuck-ups on his part when he tried to be his father.
Well, they're a literal plot device, and always have been ever since their introduction, so no questions there.
I've got a big soft spot for Focht considering he went from a complete fuck-up as Frederick Steiner to the man who saved the Inner Sphere, first from the Clans and then from ComStar itself, and again, Jihad aside, was generally competent in writing.
 
Wolf wins forever because they win
It's amazing that Critter-TEK figured out BattleTech's biggest vice thirty years ago and parodied it and FASA's successors still haven't done anything about this weakness. Fuck having a "winner" in the Inner Sphere, I want the Successor Houses and the Clans to have a Forever War that lasts well into the 41st Millennium because the Forever War is the whole point of the setting. It's really no wonder BattleTech keeps being accused of "harboring Nazis" by the blue-haired freaky people when even the Nazis didn't pitch as many tents for anything vaguely wolf-themed as BattleTech's writers do.
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It's amazing that Critter-TEK figured out BattleTech's biggest vice thirty years ago and parodied it and FASA's successors still haven't done anything about this weakness. Fuck having a "winner" in the Inner Sphere, I want the Successor Houses and the Clans to have a Forever War that lasts well into the 41st Millennium because the Forever War is the whole point of the setting.
See, that's the problem with having a constant winner/author's pet in a setting like BattleTech: since we know the setting must go on and no major established faction is ever going to fully disappear/be conquered, any given winning streak will eventually start feeling both forced and pointless in the long run, The Davions were authors' pets for the longest time, and yet they never really had any major victories. They chunked the Capellans, but then ended up having to retreat later. They fucked extensively with the Dracs, but the borders ended up staying mostly the same. They created the Federated Commonwealth... and then that broke up and everybody went back to business as usual.

Victories only really mean something in an eternal war setting like BT when everybody gets to have them. One side always winning strains credulity and makes you wonder why they haven't actually won yet.
 
Alaric isn't psychotic or arrogant or anything, per se. The main problem of the Ilkhan era is that Wolf wins forever because they win.
The last time the wolves got stromped on was during the jihad when the hell horses stampeded through the Wolf OZ. And while they eventually stopped thjey lost a lot including their Khan. But yeah, the wolves are THE Mary sue faction in BT. But on the other hand they might just set up to fall very VERY deep. I am just waiting for the "wait you paid MERCENARIES to help you defeat the Falcons on Terra? Dirty, money-loving MERCENARIES????? Oh and in revenge they took all of your children and spread them through the Inner sphere?????" part
 
Victories only really mean something in an eternal war setting like BT when everybody gets to have them. One side always winning strains credulity and makes you wonder why they haven't actually won yet.
See also: 40k's Ultrasmurfs.

Who would win in a fight between the Ultramarines and Clan Wolfy-Sue?
 
See, that's the problem with having a constant winner/author's pet in a setting like BattleTech: since we know the setting must go on and no major established faction is ever going to fully disappear/be conquered, any given winning streak will eventually start feeling both forced and pointless in the long run, The Davions were authors' pets for the longest time, and yet they never really had any major victories. They chunked the Capellans, but then ended up having to retreat later. They fucked extensively with the Dracs, but the borders ended up staying mostly the same. They created the Federated Commonwealth... and then that broke up and everybody went back to business as usual.

Victories only really mean something in an eternal war setting like BT when everybody gets to have them. One side always winning strains credulity and makes you wonder why they haven't actually won yet.
The biggest thing that irks me about the whole ilClan storyline is that not only do the Wolves win, but despite being depleted military wise at the end of taking Terra, they manage to take the surrounding worlds to make Terran Hegemony 3.0 and their forces back in the Wolf Empire and Jade Falcon zones just collapse. No military discipline, no communications with Terra, just "the boss went to Terra, time for us to die or revolt." The JF left behind shouldn't be turning into petty kingdoms, they should be PISSED that the handful of remaining JF warriors who lived to the end of the campaign were thrilled to be Wolf lapdogs. The Wolf warriors in the WE should be working hand in hand with Alaric to shore up Terra, miffed that their forces didn't even know about the campaign during the planning stages, but still he's the superior officer so he's in charge. And the other Clans like GB and SR should be paying him lip service and ignoring him entirely. When he calls for GB to send reinforcements, they should send the bottom of the barrel warriors and malcontents to be used as cannon fodder and claim they are in the middle of a war with the Dracs, sorry that's all we could spare. The Ravens should do the same and send outdated and broken ships that can't reasonably be upgraded without complete overhauls that would be more expensive than building them from scratch.
 
I've got a big soft spot for Focht considering he went from a complete fuck-up as Frederick Steiner to the man who saved the Inner Sphere, first from the Clans and then from ComStar itself, and again, Jihad aside, was generally competent in writing.

Criticizing Btech's writing is shooting fish in a barrel: but Focht is a unintentional interesting setup. He saved the Inner Sphere, of course, but at the cost of Comstar itself: it's not wrong to notice that he essentially saved the Successor States (and their nobility) by sacrificing an enormous amount of Comstar resources and personnel, and then quickly starting to dismantle their ideological pillars. In an uncharacteristic and probably unintended stroke of nice writing, it's no surprise that the vast majority of "real Comstar" defected, took Terra and tried to rebuild while Fochstar kept throwing resources he didn't earn helping the States to fight the Clans.

Focht may have been a competent leader: but without the resources hidden and stockpiled that he so liberally employed he would not have done much. Too smart for Btech writing, so probably unintended.

The biggest thing that irks me about the whole ilClan storyline

You forget that for plot reasons communications do not work. The Jade Falcon occupation zone has to collapse to have another Chaos March to put mercs in (and the Hinterlands, despite their weirdo creation, are sort of interesting between sensible CJF loyalist, Malvina's Jew League and assorted criminals and petty states). Alaric tried to send some messages to the Wolf Empire but they got intercepted by some podunk pirates in one of the funniest episodes of recent Btech history.

The Clans being subservient to Wolf make no sense, but I guess they're going to work on that. It's such an obvious setup, admittedly CGL can't write but it's obvious.
 
The only way I could like the ilClan story line is if it ends with Wolf (and whoever else is left) chased into the Periphery where they have these delusions of still being relevant (hence the intros of the later TROs) but all they are really doing is slowly dying off, their Mechs are inoperative, their Iron Wombs are all gone, they have no lower castes to speak up, just a bunch of old warriors LARPing about still mattering.
 
IlClan has some interesting narratives to play with. The Clans finally claim Terra, but is anyone in the Inner Sphere going to listen to them? A pure Clan society would have submitted to them, but those in Clan Space view the ones in the Inner Sphere as degenerate. The rest have integrated with Inner Sphere cultures and have their own squabbles.

The politics of how the ilClan legitimizes itself would be fascinating to explore.
 
The Clans finally claim Terra, but is anyone in the Inner Sphere going to listen to them?
Hoo boy, where to begin... Let's start with the part where Wolf-in-Exile decides to join up with the Wolf Empire. You know, the guys who split off from not just the Clans in general but Clan Wolf specifically because they were all Wardens and disgusted with the Crusaders, going so far as to send half their forces to participate in Operation Bulldog.

After Alaric takes Terra and declares the Wolves the ilClan, he asks everyone else if they want to join. The Rasalhague Dominion holds a plebiscite with a narrow margin in favor. He refuses to let them in without a clear mandate, since Rasalhague's domestic politics are finely-balanced and he doesn't want to upset matters and wind up with a headache. This refusal somehow triggers the two most boring and sensible peoples in the Inner Sphere (Rasalhaguians and Bears) to the point they immediately kick off a giant civil war with somehow no lasting consequences for the place aside from joining the Wolves afterwards.

As already mentioned, he bribes the Sea Foxes to replace ComStar by handing them a bunch of salvage and responsibility for communications, administration, and banking, and somehow expects them to actually follow through with their end of the bargain instead of selling it all off piece by piece and leaving him with absolutely nothing subcontracting out services to local partners to enhance Empire/subject cooperation. This has also lead to the C-bill being replaced with the Sea-bill, instead of just renaming the "ComStar bill" to the "Credit bill" as the Credit was the currency used by the Sea Foxes, and already on the short list as a C-bill replacement following the Blackout due to Sea Fox's Sphere-wide presence, both physically and economically.

Somehow, Palpatine Clan Smoke Jaguar returns, and they're completely fine taking orders from Alaric despite the fact the Wolves were their biggest enemies for centuries.

The Hell's Horses were locked in a massive feud with the Falcons, and when they learned that Alaric was racing the Falcons to Terra dropped their plans to break the backs of the Falcons once and for all by taking their undefended worlds for themselves and instead ran to Terra, where of course they wound up too late to do anything but cope, seethe, and fail to dilate after Alaric told them to fuck off, and then following that disaster has faced some difficulty in conquering the petty kingdoms that had formed as a result of widespread infighting completely contrary to Hell's Horses philosophy and doctrine where all members of the Clan are seen as valued parts of the greater whole, even a lowly Laborer stuck working as a janitor.

The Scorpion Empire is a second-rate Periphery power with little industry and an unhappy, poorly-integrated native population, and are so removed from Inner Sphere shit that they actually get raided by the post-Reaving Homeworld Clans every now and then.

The Raven Alliance has formally joined up, but given that they're located on the Periphery, the Raven touman has been sent to the Sphere, and the Ravens and Outworlds Alliance are two completely separate entities with increasing tensions means there's a pretty significant risk of a formal split between the two

You may have noticed the word "somehow" being used so frequently as to be the primary load-bearing word, but that's because the writing is well... dogshit.
 
The Scorpion Empire is a second-rate Periphery power with little industry and an unhappy, poorly-integrated native population, and are so removed from Inner Sphere shit that they actually get raided by the post-Reaving Homeworld Clans every now and then.

*The Scorpion Empire is someone's pet project in the writing team and it has become the most powerful Periphery power with Clan-grade industry (they make Warhawks!) and a happy, somewhat-integrated native population (they even reformed the Clan power structure to give them space) and are so removed from Inner Sphere shit that they can go conquering minors and haven't seen a single Homeworld raider since killing them all in the 3080ies and the Homeworlds stopped sending people to get destroyed. They also ate the Hellion Remnants.

And they also told Alaric to fuck off. It is the pet project of someone, and I do not doubt that they'll get creamed by Operation Revival 2.0, but if there's someone who's winning decently it's the Scorps.

EDIT: Also they build Word of Blake mech designs because they found a Blakist cache and they love them a lot for ??? reasons. Don't ask me.


IlClan has some interesting narratives to play with.

CGL can't write, if there's an interesting option they'll never take it. Don't get your hopes up.
 
*The Scorpion Empire is someone's pet project in the writing team and it has become the most powerful Periphery power with Clan-grade industry (they make Warhawks!) and a happy, somewhat-integrated native population (they even reformed the Clan power structure to give them space) and are so removed from Inner Sphere shit that they can go conquering minors and haven't seen a single Homeworld raider since killing them all in the 3080ies and the Homeworlds stopped sending people to get destroyed. They also ate the Hellion Remnants.

And they also told Alaric to fuck off. It is the pet project of someone, and I do not doubt that they'll get creamed by Operation Revival 2.0, but if there's someone who's winning decently it's the Scorps.

EDIT: Also they build Word of Blake mech designs because they found a Blakist cache and they love them a lot for ??? reasons. Don't ask me.




CGL can't write, if there's an interesting option they'll never take it. Don't get your hopes up.
That would be G. "Doc" Swift. He has been given the entire Scorpion Empire storyline.

He apparently writes a bunch of Furry military fiction whose self published books even use the BattleTech fonts on the cover.

I recently read one of his novellas and it was pretty bad. I remember a scene where this merc company is trying to flee the Falcons and their jumpship's nav computer is broken, but hey, a character's profoundly autistic brother can do all the jump calculations in his head can do it .

The Scorpion Empire writing just reads like wish-fulfillment and it's annoying how "perfect" it is. Like three wildly different culture's suddenly go we love this Clan and what to speak their Star League English in a record short time!
 
That would be G. "Doc" Swift. He has been given the entire Scorpion Empire storyline.

He apparently writes a bunch of Furry military fiction whose self published books even use the BattleTech fonts on the cover.

I recently read one of his novellas and it was pretty bad. I remember a scene where this merc company is trying to flee the Falcons and their jumpship's nav computer is broken, but hey, a character's profoundly autistic brother can do all the jump calculations in his head can do it .

The Scorpion Empire writing just reads like wish-fulfillment and it's annoying how "perfect" it is. Like three wildly different culture's suddenly go we love this Clan and what to speak their Star League English in a record short time!
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That all tracks.
 
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