Been wondering if there's some "degeneracy dichotomy" in media

[skykiii]

So I often feel like, when it comes to media such as movies and video games:

Cultures that are okay with sexual degeneracy tend to not like physical violence.

While cultures that are okay with lots of violence tend towards being more sexually prudish.

Is this actually a thing or is my brain just drawing a connection that isn't there?

 

[bingin]

can you give examples?

 

[Easterling]

I think your partially onto something. I recall reading that there are forces that push degeneracy up or down on a societal level. During the Victorian period it was pushed down but was very much around, hidden beneath the surface with Brothels and prostitution being wide spread in society going so far as seen as a part of the society where "gentleman" authors would write pamphlets and guides on where to go. The Victorian era was a time of great morality of Christian faith, charity and protocol on the surface while also being exceptionally bloodthirsty with a period of near constant warfare waged against backwards savages in far flung regions of the empire. It was viewed as proper and manly to spread civilisation at bayonet point.

I'll juxtapose this with Rome however, Rome was both, The Roman empire was both degenerate and violent. You had both open prostitution and deathmatch arenas. You had sexual degeneracy woven into the fabric of the society with fountains' shaped like genitalia and vulgar graffiti written everywhere. And yet it's regarded as one of the most successful empires to ever have existed.

 

[skykiii]

can you give examples?

What got this autistic shower thought going was--because of an argument I was in--I went looking for times Democrats were involved in artistic censorship, and wound up remembering Joe Liebermann and the 1993 summit on video game violence.

Of course, we know Democrats are okay with all sorts of sexual shit.

Also I recall hearing that Japan was an example of this. We all know that country is a Coomer Magnet, but apparently (and especially with video games) they like to tone down the violence. Some people say this is because of the CERO ratings board but their version of the original Mortal Kombat (which precedes CERO) still has the blood changed to green.

I coulda been fed a lot of lies and for all I know these are probably isolated cases.

 

[bingin]

What got this autistic shower thought going was--because of an argument I was in--I went looking for times Democrats were involved in artistic censorship, and wound up remembering Joe Liebermann and the 1993 summit on video game violence.

Of course, we know Democrats are okay with all sorts of sexual shit.

Also I recall hearing that Japan was an example of this. We all know that country is a Coomer Magnet, but apparently (and especially with video games) they like to tone down the violence. Some people say this is because of the CERO ratings board but their version of the original Mortal Kombat (which precedes CERO) still has the blood changed to green.

I coulda been fed a lot of lies and for all I know these are probably isolated cases.

doesn't germany have like video game violence censoring and they're like stereotyped as sexual freaks?

 

[Chin of Campbell]

C.S. Lewis actually talks about this phenomenon a bit in The Screwtape Letters, so you're definitely not the only one who's noticed.

 

[bingin]

also trannies are violent AND sexual

 

[Executive Petrel]

Muslims are violent and prudish.
The degeneracy is only happening behind closed doors.
Rape is mostly about power and violence, and sexually frustrated men's reaction to the prudish society. Fits for India as well.

If a society is degenerate but condemds violence, unsuccessful men will abuse the liberal society to become simps, fags, gooners, furries, NEETs and troons as cope before actually doing the crime.
A Muslim or jeet would be killed or beaten inbetween, so he straight up acts out when there is a chance to get away with it.

 

[Meriasek]

doesn't germany have like video game violence censoring and they're like stereotyped as sexual freaks?

Not so much anymore. Video game censorship used to be a big deal here due to pearl clutching, but the regulations have been updated a lot since then, and now you can get pretty much everything in its uncensored form.
I never quite understood the scat porn stereotype. It's not like it's a super common fetish here, or even done in a lot of porn. It exists, but I don't think it's much more common here than elsewhere. Not sure where the reputation came from, I guess from weird-ass porn tapes from the 70s to 90s making it outside Germany.

 

[Just A Butt]

Cultures that are okay with sexual degeneracy tend to not like physical violence.

While cultures that are okay with lots of violence tend towards being more sexually prudish.

Explain Japan then

 

[skykiii]

Explain Japan then

Actually kinda covered this in another reply.

But yeah Japan is weird. While they do make hyper-violent stuff apparently a lot of that was more popular in America than in Japan (so I've been told). But there's also a fuckton of cases of either them censoring violent media for their version (Mortal Kombat's original two arcade games having the blood turned green for example) or even a case where a thing originating in Japan is only uncut in the west (lots of PS2-era games).

More recently they have sometimes toned down sexual stuff but I think that's more to appeal to westerners and make stuff marketable.

 

[bingin]

Explain Japan then

it lines up with what he says?

 

[Pomniman]

Violence is acceptable under the auspices of most "moral revival" type movements or vaguely analogous things because there's an implication that it's what you use against whoever fails to comply with them, while sexual permissiveness promoted on a societal level is itself a tool meant to curb violent inclinations. These are common but self-defeating top-down approaches because the root of both impulses comes from the same place and using one to suppress the other only eventually leads to greater excesses in both. It's one thing to address a social ill, but if it's not properly examined in all its ugliest, most unpleasant forms (which it won't be in either of these cases) that leads to feel good (for those ideologically aligned with the movement pushing for them) but ultimately myopic and ineffectual solutions; squeamishness in thinking about one or the other is self-defeating.

 

[Syntaxion]

People who justify violence often do so under a religious banner (muslims, tradcaths, conservatives, etc)
Those same people wouldn't support sexual stuff due to their religion.

People who support sexual freedom often do so under a liberal banner (scandinavians, leftists, etc)
And they wouldn't support violence because it interferes with personal freedom and the pursuit of pleasure/happiness.

 

[C. G. B. Spender]

I think your partially onto something. I recall reading that there are forces that push degeneracy up or down on a societal level. During the Victorian period it was pushed down but was very much around, hidden beneath the surface with Brothels and prostitution being wide spread in society going so far as seen as a part of the society where "gentleman" authors would write pamphlets and guides on where to go. The Victorian era was a time of great morality of Christian faith, charity and protocol on the surface while also being exceptionally bloodthirsty with a period of near constant warfare waged against backwards savages in far flung regions of the empire. It was viewed as proper and manly to spread civilisation at bayonet point.

I'll juxtapose this with Rome however, Rome was both, The Roman empire was both degenerate and violent. You had both open prostitution and deathmatch arenas. You had sexual degeneracy woven into the fabric of the society with fountains' shaped like genitalia and vulgar graffiti written everywhere. And yet it's regarded as one of the most successful empires to ever have existed.

Those victorian era pamphlets might have been peak comedy at the time, they were like "here's a map of 10 sinful locations that every good christian man should avoid" and its filled with brothels and opium dens.

 

[Easterling]

Explain Japan then

If we're going by japan and OP's theory then this checks out. Feudal Japan was exceedingly violent in the past, the degeneracy crept in post unification actually. The Shogun even tried to legislate against pornographic artwork otherwise known as Shunga, This gave rise to "the dream of the fisherman's wife" as a way of bypassing these laws, which is where a lot of modern hentai takes its inspiration today. Post unification violence was regulated to duels and martial arts. therefore it could be argued that as violence decreased, degeneracy increased. The only constant I can think of throughout were the Geisha's and certain sexual practices that took place in rural communities (this was actually legislated against but still persisted, look into the Tsuyama massacre as much of the preparator's motivation stems from those practices)

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

Counterpoint: Quentin Tarantino.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I don't think so. At most you can argue the old "If I show a nipple it's 18+, but beheading a guy is 13+", but it's not like America doesn't have tons of sexual content. Also France has ton of sexualy degenerate material and is also extremely sexualy degenerate itself. Ditto Japan has neither violence and sex in normal life but tons of it in their work. And then third country shitholes has both degenerate people and easy access to depths of depravity in recorded forms.

At most you can argue that if a culture tries to forcefully decrease some base urges you'd have a massive amount of underground material catered to those urges. And even then it's usually sex related.

 

[pollution jim]

Explain Japan then

I think they're a great example. Most anime related media has uncomfortable sexual shit thrown in, including loli shit, yet they complain American media is too mindlessly violent and stupid. If you ask me our culture is automatically better for leaning towards FPS games and not loli gacha JRPG garbage

 

[Male Idiot]

prudish society. Fits for India as well.

I would not describe the people that shit and piss everywhere in open air and fuck dogs there too as prudish under any circumstance.

There maybe something to civilisations preferring either violence or sex, but sometimes both as seen in modern day Africa for example.

Rome was an empire much greater and longer than most others, yet they had both.