Being (passively) bothersome - The ethical implications

[Penis Drager]

So I was thinking about troons again...
Aside from all the more blatantly unethical things troons often get up to: trooning out is just kinda rude at its core, is it not? This raises some questions. Namely, is it unethical to knowingly, willfully, and unrepentantly bother people? Let me explain:

Perhaps the mother of all acts of "passive bothersomeness" is probably indecent exposure. I'm not talking about directed flashing or any other form of harassment. I'm talking about how rude it would be for me to just act as I normally do, but my dick just happens to be hanging out. I'm doing nothing to draw attention to myself. And if you don't want to see my cock, you're free to look away. Let's even say that I'm not exposing myself to any minors. I only do this in settings where only other adults are present.
I think we can all agree this is unethical behavior. Even though there's no "objective" reason why my decision to rock out with my cock out should bother people. We can even argue that this is a purely socially constructed reaction. The fact is that people are bothered by it. I know this is the case; but I do it anyway. Anyone who wants to see my dick would much rather indicate as much to me and make arrangements than be surprised with it in a public space.

A much more benign example is holding up a line at the gas station because you're stupid and want to ask the cashier a bunch of stupid questions. The people behind you just want to pay for their shit and GTFO, but they can't do that because you're being an idiot. Again: this is unethical, but arguably less bothersome than letting your dick meat flop in the wind.
I could go even more benign and discuss picking my nose in public. It's just fucking rude.

A counterexample may be activism: The whole point is to be disruptive. If that short-term disruption accomplishes a goal which improves society in the long run, is it now ethical? Perhaps even an obligation? And that brings us to troons.
If I, as a hairy ass man, decided to slap on a dress and insist everyone call me Sally, people would look askance at that. If I then walked into the women's bathroom, other women in there would probably be made uncomfortable. My behavior would be disruptive. I know full well that people are bothered by my choice of attire. I do it anyway. I know that even fewer people want to see me in a dress than those who would like to see my dick. I do it anyway. I care not about other people's comfort because crossdressing makes me happy.
This could be a rebuttal to the argument that "adults should be able to identify/present however they want so long as they keep kids out of it." The behavior itself causes a disruption.
But what if it's under the guise of "activism?" A common sentiment among troons is that society shouldn't be bothered by their choice of attire and the disruption they cause is actually a political statement.
Then again, I could argue the same about letting my cock and balls hang free for all to see...

 

[FatalTater]

Once upon a time in a small town, Westboro Baptist folk had showed up to protest something or other.
The locals quickly realized which vehicles belonged to the protestors.
Many WBs were late/didn't make it to the protest because suddenly nobody in the area knew how to park without blocking other cars in.

Not sure if it's on topic, I was just reminded of that incident.

 

[Penis Drager]

Once upon a time in a small town, Westboro Baptist folk had showed up to protest something or other.
The locals quickly realized which vehicles belonged to the protestors.
Many WBs were late/didn't make it to the protest because suddenly nobody in the area knew how to park without blocking other cars in.

Not sure if it's on topic, I was just reminded of that incident.

Meh. That's more a direct form of harassment. You're going out of your way to bother a specific group of people at that point. There's an ethical discussion there but not really the one I want to have.
I'm talking about acting in a manner which is not really directed at anyone. You're not really preventing anyone from doing anything (so maybe my "holding up a line by being retarded" example doesn't fit either), you're just doing whatever you want without regard for other people's comfort.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Is it unethical? I'd say doing things knowing you're harassing people is unethical, sexual predators especially are into the whole idea of pushing the boundaries just enough to make people uncomfortable but not quite enough that they're willing to stop them.
There's a very big difference between someone having their dick out because they're a nudist who'd be doing that regardless, vs. someone who clearly has their dick out because of its social effect.

The latter applies to troon shit. In a lot of cases it's specifically the impact on other people and pushing boundaries which they get off on, and in virtually all cases with MtFs it's cultural ideas that have been built up around the concept of being a woman that they're trying to leverage.

They're after a sense of control and a diminished sense of social responsibility, which either way they gain from exploitation and dilution of cultural values.

That's the issue, it isn't just that they don't care if it makes anyone else uncomfortable, they do it specifically because it feels socially transgressive. If it didn't make them feel like they're "getting away" with something in spite of you, they wouldn't be doing it.


Therein lies the difference, my stance is usually "Go about your business so long as you make a reasonable attempt to be considerate and act with good intent, and if it is a problem someone can tell you or they can deal with it", but once someone's business starts taking a back seat to an ulterior social agenda, that's when it becomes a problem, because now they've made it into a fucking power game they want to drag people into. I'm sure I'm not unique when I say I have very little patience for that.

 

[Xarpho]

I would say that the best type of tactic is to create a situation where it would be impractical to deal with but not being so much of a nuisance that normies would like to have your face caved in.

It would be akin to that madlad at the Houston gun buyback. Take advantage of the "no questions asked" policy, print out a bunch of cheap but workable firearms, and try to turn them in. If they tell you they're not real, you can hand them out to everyone in line. The end goal: he did sell them to the city for a small profit and made a bit of a name for himself.

Sleazy, underhanded tactics like blocking cars in or just good ol' civil disobedience only go so far because it requires people on the same wavelength to agree with you, other than that you're just another asshole.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I was reminded of this thread after listening to a frequent-flyer of the local court system making a routine appearance.

He seemed to be deliberately not-understanding the judge, and acting obtuse and ignorant to the point of testing all bounds of logical and tolerant reason of the Magistrate. Judges are trained to have an even temper, but also demand attention and keep control of all proceedings.

Once the Judge understood the defendant wasn't an actual retard, but just acting contrary - no patience or time for listening to the defendant is given. And the judge fairly trampled on any outbursts from the man trying to slow down the methodical process of legal business in a courtroom.

I sort of wish hanging niggers was a fair judgement these days.