Better Call Saul

I fully expect the second half of Season 6 to take place around the very months before Breaking Bad or during, showing us what Jim was up to when the cameras weren't pointing at him.

As for the issues, this is what happens when you delay a season for over a year, especially an active prequel series. It's bound to look bad. I feel worse for Jonathan Banks than anything.
 
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I actually get mad whenever I think about Better Call Saul, it started off as a quirky as fuck surreal lawyer drama in the Breaking Bad universe but sometime at the end of Season 1 it seemed to take a massive tonal shift towards the drama element with a slow and methodic plot beat of Jimmy vs Chuck that, while a bit of a slog, resulted in the incredible Season 3 finale. Season 4 onwards felt like they'd blown their big story point and were just treading water for ages by doing the same things over and over again, focussing on painstakingly boring and repetitive scenes that focused on style over substance.

I got to the end of Season 4 (or whatever the episode with the German engineer's execution) and never touched another episode, so I'm probably not the best judge of the current show but it really did remind me a lot of Bojack Horseman in that the show felt stuck in one creative rut with no real progress to the story and having the comfortable plot thread of just erasing all progress to revert to a character from seasons past because why not? When it's all over and I get the word that the ending wasn't atrocious I might bingewatch the rest to catch up but on a week by week basis it really did feel like absolutely nothing was happening. We'd get "Will we / won't we" shit with Kim, we'd get 4 different scenes explaining the same thing (but hey, cool shots), maybe two or three identical Jimmy scams, a scene where Mike doesn't do anything physical because they know the actor is on the verge of death etc.

I'm also not a fan of all the callbacks and autistic corrections (like the DMV situation) and thought that both Mike and Gus look like absolute shit so really should have been out of the picture to allow the Saul stories to flow better. At points it felt like some wacky Mike and Gus cartel show vs the Saul show, with each one taking up valuable time from the other and explaining away mysteries that could have been kept mysterious. The community's autistic obsession with Lalo (which, given how Breaking Bad was written was very clearly a random name that was given no thought to at the time) made all BCS discussions pozzed for years too. I also think there was some massive panic button pressed when BCS didn't explode in popularity like Breaking Bad did so they got as many cameos as possible instead of organically creating new characters that could feed into the present storylines without ever needing to touch the big Breaking Bad elements. Did we REALLY need a season to know how a Colombian cartel guy could build a meth lab underneath a laundromat?

I genuinely feel like they got to the end of Season 1 and just scrapped all of their original ideas for Season 2 once people loved Jimmy that much, forcing the Saul elements to be pushed further and further away up to around now where I'm assuming they're still nowhere close to the start of Breaking Bad with one season left. I don't think people will grasp how truly disappointing BCS is until after it finishes and people are left with LOST tier gaps in logic.
 
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CWCissey said:
I can see the last episode being an entirely Gene affair, and the Walt and Jesse cameo purely being them walking into Saul's office as the very final shot of the penultimate episode.
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If they are sending out press notices about their roles, I think it’s going to be something slightly more than that, but not too much more. This show has been very smart about how it’s used the Breaking Bad characters and I don’t think this will be any different
 
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There's going to be a focus on the whole Howard Hamlin grudge before all else, and Lalo of course. I would hope they don't overtly rely on Breaking Bad-first characters in this season and individual arcs. The trailer seemed to imply a massive breaking point that concludes Hamlin for good, as I've read speculation about regarding a pool and something floating in it. Maybe people are just full of shit and want to go full matpat, who knows, but I see Howard going out in a similar fashion to Benjamin Gilroy from The Shield.
 
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I'm not surprised in the least, and it was more or less obligatory. The cat was going to be out of the bag anyway. I wouldn't assume it's necessarily going to be at the end either, although they probably filmed it last. I assume they're advancing some kind of plot point with it.
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I wonder if we’ll get an entire Gene episode this season.
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It would probably be how he handles the guys who are going to try to blackmail him. I don't see it going well. For them. Possibly not for anyone.
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The trailer seemed to imply a massive breaking point that concludes Hamlin for good, as I've read speculation about regarding a pool and something floating in it.
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Oh good God, not that again.
 
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AnOminous said:
Oh good God, not that again.
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It could just be a cocktease, who knows. We were given a reticent Jimmy at the end of season five not feeling too sure about Kim's emboldened attitude. Either way the two are going to take a shitcunt turn with James/Saul looking even worse than he did before the prequel series were conceived.
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
Well we know Jesse has had dealings with Saul before, and I actually expected him to show up earlier. But Walt, I hope it's just a small cameo at the end.
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The only way I won't be annoyed is that if basically during the finale, he meets Jesse for the first time, and the Walt cameo is a flashback during the current day segments where he manages his cinnabun or whatever he's doing
 
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From the official Better call Saul page:

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Slightly off topic, but it’s a coincidence that I received on YouTube a recommended video surrounding one of the most memorable scenes from Breaking Bad after reading about that:


If Vince and Peter somehow do a call back to this episode and it has to revolve around Saul hearing about this duo for the first time (as well as before they met Walt), then I’ll be really interested how they could pull this off.
 
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Don't forget about Emilio, that Asian-Latino guy who was working alongside Jesse, got caught, and then was bailed out by Saul.
 
Sorry about the doble posting :oops:

Just saw this promo art. If I can indulge in some tinfoil thinking, this could mean that Gene is going to become Saul (look at the mustache and, of course, the colors).

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Chester Rigby said:
Sorry about the doble posting :oops:

Just saw this promo art. If I can indulge in some tinfoil thinking, this could mean that Gene is going to become Saul (look at the mustache and, of course, the colors).

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That poster is way better than that absolutely awful looking stuff they posted in the announcement of Walt and Jesse's (one hopes) cameos.

There is no way that bright a color is meaningless, especially compared to the drab monochrome of Gene as we've seen him. This is one of my favorite franchises of all time because they never abandon the plan, and the plan has always involved color coding and symbolism and all that Chekhov's gun shit.

That weird nerdy scheme of using ricin? Oh they just forgot that, let the viewers who paid attention go fuck themselves? Nope, if you were paying attention, all that shit paid off in the end.

This is what I like about Vince Gilligan's way of running a show. If you actually do nerd out and pay attention and follow everything, none of that effort of paying attention will be wasted. That Chekhov's gun you spotted? It will always be shot. But if you aren't, you can appreciate it on a surface level just by tuning in to a random episode.

I think he's really good in cashing in with the peanut gallery who really doesn't understand anything, and at the same time, leaving these guys with nothing to complain about:
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modern horrors said:
Also I hope my nigga Howard doesn't kill himself after Kim&Jimmy tar and feather him.
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Howard is my favorite character and it's going to be crushing to see him ruin himself. Everyone in the BB universe destroys themselves by their own hand, and Howard won't be the exception.

I cannot wait.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
I actually get mad whenever I think about Better Call Saul
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I disagree. I thought the first season was good but the second and third seasons felt stagnant. The fourth and fifth seasons were better than anything I saw on Breaking Bad because the characters and the plots are just better fleshed out.

Vince Gilligan did an exceptional job wokeproofing the characters in BSC, by the way. He was pressured to keep Skyler alive (she was supposed to die halfway through season five), he kept getting endless shit from morons at the AV Club and Gawker about how problematic it was that too many people related to Walter White, etc. Gilligan basically designed the characters to avoid those minefields.
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I’m not too worried about that. I could easily see it being a couple minutes of an episode where Walter is teaching in chemistry class. Or a flashback where it lasts a couple minutes to help move along a scene.

Besides is the last season of what’s going to be the end of the Breaking Bad universe, which has been running now for almost 15 years. I’ll cut a little slack for bringing back the original characters for a little bit at an appropriate moment. I know I sound like a fanboy of the show (I am) but this is going to be the end of an era at the end of this season/series. Not sure what more they can do with it, given how long its been running and how aged the actors are. I’m surprised Jonathan Banks is still alive. I know he’s 75 but it looks like a hard 75. Hell, even Odenkirk himself came /)(\ close to kicking the bucket.
 
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Not gonna lie, its the season im most hyped up for. I just want to see Nacho live because at this point he deserves it after all the shit went through + hes going to go through now, feel like Kim dying would be lazy writing and they have something else for her, connecting to the post B.B Gene story, like a happy ending I suppose. Lalo's demise also just seems obvious at this point, even though he was my favourite character aside from Mike post-cameo (excluding the B.B line).

Also interesting how the BCS twitter account grew by roughly 120k followers when they made Walter & Jesse being on the show official, not complaining because the show deserves far more attention than it gets with its loyal audience. Vince, Gould & Schnauz havent disappointed me yet, doubt they will with the final season either.
 
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