Better Call Saul

[IceCreamForCrow]

 

[AnOminous]

Less filler. More discomfort. The pretend concern for the cancer patient by the patsy is a crock of shit. Gene-Saul is getting too cocky for me to take his schemes seriously.

I hope they're setting him up as such a complete fuckwad to make it more satisfying if he gets fucked. Still I think the cops showing up is probably a red herring.

And yeah whoever said last week that there was no heat on Jimmy was proven a retard by this week's episode.

Yeah I did that and no, before now, we didn't know Jimmy was still a major target, and neither did he or why would he have spent a lot of money just to ask Francesca?

Also Francesca was the best part of the episode. I love her undisguised contempt for Jimmy.

The Jimmy scenes were mostly tense but cringy, so sadly, the memberberries were the best part of it.

Also did nobody else notice their first victim was named Alfred Hawthorne Hill, otherwise known as Benny Hill. Saul also mentioned the Honeymooners and one of the others was named Gleason, although I don't know if that was deliberate.

Anyway when the best things about the episode were memberberries, an Easter egg, and a somewhat obscure Monkees song, it has to be said this was another bad episode.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Yeah I did that and no, before now, we didn't know Jimmy was still a major target, and neither did he or why would he have spent a lot of money just to ask Francesca?

Slippin Jimmy was always not just sleazy, but sloppy. His fingerprints were all over Walt and Jesse's bullshit, and there was no way the Feds would not be all over him, or that he was smart enough to hide any of his shit well enough that the entire Federal Government investigating the biggest drug crime in the history of the world wouldn't be looking for him.

In fact the biggest retarded thing that came out of the last episode is that everything we've seen about genes is six fucking weeks after Walt's death. All of the Gene timeline is not years in the future, he didn't spend months hiding in a cabin growing that stache and letting the heat died down, nope, he called the vacuum repair shop and days later he was managing a cinnabon. in fucking 2010 of all years.

That's... just so fucking retarded. If the show had been taking place years afterwards as we all thought previously, it would make sense. Spent a few years in isolation, hiding and letting the public forget his face, eventually the vacuum guy told him he could go and live his life as Gene and manage a cinnabon, and what not.

But nope, he would have been a federal fugitive still making headlines about the fucking American Pablo Escobar times 10 while it was still happening.

The fact that only Jeff found out who he is is fucking retarded.

I'm going to assume the reason you thought that Saul wasn't a target anymore was because, in your mind, the show was taking place at least a few years after Breaking Bad, not literally fucking weeks after, right?

It's still blows my mind how fucking retarded it is, and how it destroys six years of Gene segments.

'Oh no! After all this time, Jimmy is just falling back into his Gene shoes! Looks like he couldn't leave crime behind working at the Cinnabon for all of these years six weeks!'

Nigga, what?

 

[AnOminous]

I'm going to assume the reason you thought that Saul wasn't a target anymore was because, in your mind, the show was taking place at least a few years after Breaking Bad, not literally fucking weeks after, right?

Jimmy has never been as smart as he thinks he is. Walt was but was if anything even more sloppy, or more to the point, reckless, and at least at first had the excuse he was going to die any day anyway. It seemed reasonable to think he was laying low for some time, though.

Even Francesca was somewhat amazed at how stupid he was being. "Don't you have the Internet?" He could probably have found out a lot of what he was asking for on his own by watching the fucking news instead of listening to a police scanner.

The only thing I can really think is he's decided he's good as dead anyway and just doesn't give a shit.

I was hoping that robbing a dying cancer patient was one thing too far for the bastard when even he was having qualms with it, but no, he just had to go do that. Fuck him at this point. I hope this is a setup for his final downfall.

I don't think it will be from the cops at the end of the episode though. That's just what will set it off.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I was hoping that robbing a dying cancer patient was one thing too far for the bastard when even he was having qualms with it, but no, he just had to go do that. Fuck him at this point. I hope this is a setup for his final downfall.

Jimmy always had too much hubris, he hasn't given up on life, he doesn't think he's dead anyway, he thinks he can get away with it, plus he still has the vacuum cleaner guy's number and a bunch of diamonds, so worse can scenario slippin jimmy can just slip away. He's done it so many times before, why can't he do it again?

I don't think it will be from the cops at the end of the episode though. That's just what will set it off.

Jeff's cab number is 357. Either he, but most likely his mother, will end up shooting him with a .357 in the finale.

It's Vince Gilligan. There is no way this is a red herring, that was his way of telegraphing it before so Reddit just cums all over itself at how deep it was. "He told us all along" excitedsoyjack.jpg

 

[likeacrackado]

Regardless of the other stuff from these past few episodes, I'm happy the Jeff character didn't go the way the theory people thought it would. My pet theory was that he was an enforcer of some kind for one of the criminal groups sent to intimidate Saul for whatever reason. Happy they flipped the tables on him, even if the change in actors is a little jarring as the scenes each are in protray completely different sides of the same character.

I imagine the change in pacing between episodes in this half of the season would be jarring if I were binging the whole thing rather than watching one or two at a time.

 

[AnOminous]

He's done it so many times before, why can't he do it again?

I like the idea of him desperately calling Vacuum Cleaner Guy. . .and he just recently died.

Jeff's cab number is 357. Either he, but most likely his mother, will end up shooting him with a .357 in the finale.

That sort of jumped out but it hadn't really clicked. That's as good a theory as any though.

One minor thing I liked in this otherwise not very good episode was the bit where it looked like he was going to forget the tape, just to fuck with you, but then went back and got it.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Slippin Jimmy was always not just sleazy, but sloppy. His fingerprints were all over Walt and Jesse's bullshit, and there was no way the Feds would not be all over him, or that he was smart enough to hide any of his shit well enough that the entire Federal Government investigating the biggest drug crime in the history of the world wouldn't be looking for him.

Jimmy gets lucky with most of his schemes through plot magic or last seconds saves. Almost everything he tries initially is a disaster. His first scam of getting some skateboarders hit by a car literally draws him into the cartel world. He always bit off more than he could chew. He was an idiot. You would think after Lalo that he would stay away from drug clients but he actively pursues Walt and Jesse despite knowing that Gus is also looking for them according to Mike. After drinking his own piss in the desert, nearly getting murdered multiple times and having bullets fly within inches of his head, and needing to be rescued, he takes even more risks in the BB timeline. He either is suicidal or written with major plot armor.

But the FBI and DEA would know of Jimmy for three reasons. His connections to Nacho and Lalo that are in court records and investigations (he represented Nacho for the arrest of kidnapping the Kettlemans, Lalo for murder and the courts know it was Lalo). So his name is going to come up when they work back Gus Fring and his connections to the Salamancas, knowing that Gus knew Hector. They also have the information that both Jesse and Skyler gave to the Feds. Jesse before he vanishes, and Skyler likely gives them everything on Saul that is enough to bury him. And then Francesca (and possibly Kim) giving the Feds information on his legal practice that date back before Walt. The Feds absolutely would have interviewed Kim and if the show follows the actual law, not magic Vince Gilligan plot armor writing, she would not have spousal privilege nor immunity for any federal crimes. And because she visited Lalo in prison, which would be recorded, she would open herself up for a few felonies.

In fact the biggest retarded thing that came out of the last episode is that everything we've seen about genes is six fucking weeks after Walt's death. All of the Gene timeline is not years in the future, he didn't spend months hiding in a cabin growing that stache and letting the heat died down, nope, he called the vacuum repair shop and days later he was managing a cinnabon. in fucking 2010 of all years.

That's... just so fucking retarded. If the show had been taking place years afterwards as we all thought previously, it would make sense. Spent a few years in isolation, hiding and letting the public forget his face, eventually the vacuum guy told him he could go and live his life as Gene and manage a cinnabon, and what not.

The fact that only Jeff found out who he is is fucking retarded.

This is easily the worst writing in likely all of BB, BCS, and El Camino. Instead of a top ten FBI most wanted fugitive laying low for two or three years and living off of his diamonds he is literally taking a public job in crowded shopping mall facing new customers every day. He is showing his face in public every day, driving through red light cameras every day, without changing his appearance very much to the point where literally a random cab driver spots him almost instantly. Makes no sense. If he gets pulled over for a traffic stop and some cop on a power trip arrests him he is immediately exposed as being a fugitive once the prints come back. Him not keeping a low profile for at least a year is just insanely poor writing. Inexcusable.

The Gene timeline should have been five or more years later. Maybe even a decade. To give him enough time to disappear from the public sphere and law enforcement to assume he was dead. But the show has him not only living and working in public but he is calling both Francesca and Kim within weeks of retreating.

It's still blows my mind how fucking retarded it is, and how it destroys six years of Gene segments.

'Oh no! After all this time, Jimmy is just falling back into his Gene shoes! Looks like he couldn't leave crime behind working at the Cinnabon for all of these years six weeks!'

Nigga, what?

In ten years or so BCS will be looked at like Star Wars prequels most likely. Where the hardcore fans will worship it but everyone else will just mock it or move on to something else. We are seeing yet another franchise collapse and implode in its last moments.

There is no defending the timeline for Gene but BCS and BB fans are delusional.

Jimmy has never been as smart as he thinks he is. Walt was but was if anything even more sloppy, or more to the point, reckless, and at least at first had the excuse he was going to die any day anyway. It seemed reasonable to think he was laying low for some time, though.

Jimmy is smart except for cartel stuff really. Stuff like Sandpiper. Messing with Chuck. Stealing Hummels. Street scams. He was good at that stuff. It all goes wrong but he also pulls it out in the end (though sometimes through plot magic). But both Saul and Gus failed to recognize how insane and dangerous Walt was. Partially because of bad writing and plot armor. But also because they just underestimate the dumb suburban high school teacher and how far he will go to win.

But Walt and Jesse are killing people right and left from start to finish basically. And Gus and Saul and even Mike do nothing about it. By the end Walt is putting random kids in barrels to dissolve their bodies and not even thinking twice about it. It never made sense that Gus and Mike gave Walt such freedom after he showed how much of a killer he really was so early in his drug career. Gus not moving his corporate office far away from Walt was still such bad writing. Or Gus visiting Hector five minutes after the DEA left and being on security cameras was also just sloppy.

Walt is the least sloppy character on the show. He kills ALL of his rivals down the man. Gus, Mike, Lydia, the Nazis, Gale. All die by Walt killing them outright or ordering it. He plans on assassinating Tuco before Hank kill him. He threatens Hank to the point where Hank does not immediately turn him in resulting in Hank dying alone with no backup like an idiot. Walt outsmarts the FBI and exonerates Skyler over the phone of any crime. Walt gets millions of dollars to his family. Walt has (fake) assassins threaten his most hated rivals from college. Walt frees his protege and dies on his own terms without being arrested.

 

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Jeff's cab number is 357. Either he, but most likely his mother, will end up shooting him with a .357 in the finale.

It's Vince Gilligan. There is no way this is a red herring, that was his way of telegraphing it before so Reddit just cums all over itself at how deep it was. "He told us all along" excitedsoyjack.jpg

Sort of like how Walter White's home address is 308 Negra Arroyo Lane and he ends up using an M60 machine gun (a .308 caliber gun) in the finale.

It's like pottery.

 

[Punchoboe]

Give Vince Gilligan credit for one thing; he's broken the trope of the antihero, the criminal we excuse because he fights greater evils. For example, the entire cyberpunk genre of "high tech, low life" is based on this sort of relativism.

 

[IceCreamForCrow]

Didn't see this posted here yet: the promo for the final episode was leaked. Don't click if you don't want any spoilers, obviously.

Tf? How does a thing like this even happen? I'd assume they just have clips like this set aside to automatically air after the episode.



My prediction tonight: Cancer guy is DEAD. Either because of the drugs they gave him or Jimmy has to kill him to cover up the crime. Alternatively he tries running and does a slipping jimmy slip and fall and breaks his back and dies.

Afterwards Jimmy runs from cops or is arrested. Old lady might turn him in or confront Jeff about him. No idea about the rest

 

[done and dusted]

In fact the biggest retarded thing that came out of the last episode is that everything we've seen about genes is six fucking weeks after Walt's death. He didn't spend months hiding in a cabin growing that stache and letting the heat died down, nope, he called the vacuum repair shop and days later he was managing a cinnabon. in fucking 2010 of all years.

No didn't Walt and Saul get vaccumned in Granite State? That was around March 2010, and Felina takes place in September that year, so Gene's timeline starts in October 2010. 6 months is still questionable though

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Holy fuck this was bad. I mean cringe embarrassing bad.

They could have taken it a million different ways. But they just cheaped out with this shit. Sad.

Now there is no way at all of salvaging this fuckstorm of a shitshow. I just made that up. Just like the writers here.

I guess they just bit off more than they could chew. They had too many loose ends that they could not tie up. But the sheer mediocrity of the ending will taint the whole series forever and forever more. What cunts.

You'd actually have to try quite hard to be this bad. But it's easy when you don't know what the fuck you are doing. The last few pages of this thread have just shown me a load of fanboys flailing around in nothingness and in hope. Hope always dies last.

You encouraged this shit. I'm getting my retaliation in first, because I doubt you will be pleased about my viewpoint. Lol. Just kidding.

This is the worst way to die. There is no way to salvage this shit now. It's over. It was already contrived. I bet the next couple of episodes are just as bad as the last couple of episodes.

In a way, I guess it needs to die like this. There were too many threads to tighten up. Too many loose ends to make sense of. It was never going to happen.

Better Call Saul is one of the most pitiful and hopeless TV shows I ever watched. This is why I don't watch them anymore. I won't watch anything again after being led down the garden path by this pathetic shit.

American TV is dead.

Smartest nippy hater

Jimmy could die of a heart attack. Kill himself like Chuck. Be killed by police or the cartel. Jimmy could murder Marion or Jeff. Jimmy could take Kim out in a murder suicide. Kim could turn Jimmy in. Marion or Jeff could turn Jimmy in. Jimmy could live his life as Gene and never get caught. Jimmy could disappear and take on another fake identity. Jimmy could turn himself in. Jimmy could enter witness protection or make a deal. Jimmy could get life in prison. Jimmy could become the CEO of Cinnabon.

There are two episodes left. They have a million ways to end it all still. It is not over and finalized yet in terms of what the audience knows. The mediocrity of this last season could still pay off in a huge way. Or it could end pathetically like these last two episodes. But the reddit level fans will soy face react to pretty much anything Vince Gilligan does. No matter how it ends the fags who liked the last two episodes will be gatekeeping this franchise forever and refusing to look at any criticism no matter how valid.

and no matter what happens youll be soyraging that jeff didnt become thanos. You do realize the bravo vince shit is like a meme right? Dont take it seriously

Also lol @ saying bcs will be looked at like the prequels. What those things that people are now saying are good?

It's still blows my mind how fucking retarded it is, and how it destroys six years of Gene segments.

'Oh no! After all this time, Jimmy is just falling back into his Gene shoes! Looks like he couldn't leave crime behind working at the Cinnabon for all of these years six weeks!'

Nigga, what?

saul and walter if i remember right were shipped away when the latter was 51 and then walt turns 52 in felina. Plus theres copyright with the date 2017 tho that could be a blooper

I also dont get why everytime a show telegraphs what itll do its bad. Maybe youd prefer it to subvert expectations like Last Jedi?

 

[HarryHowler]

In ten years or so BCS will be looked at like Star Wars prequels most likely. Where the hardcore fans will worship it but everyone else will just mock it or move on to something else. We are seeing yet another franchise collapse and implode in its last moments.

Wasn't it pretty much the other way around with the Star Wars prequels? They took a ton of shit on their first release, only for people to warm up to them in later years (and I say that as someone who still considers The Phantom Menace to be the worst movie in the series).

Maybe the finale episode will turn out to be yet another case of an until-then-great show completely fucking up at the very end, but at least if that happens, it'll be easy enough to just ignore the last four episodes and treat "Fun & Games" as the show's true finale. It's not like Game of Thrones, NuBSG or any other number of shows where they left the resolution of all the plot threads to the finale and fucked up every single one of them.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

 

[IceCreamForCrow]

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Kim went from lawyer to working at a sprinkler store?

Almost depressing as Gene Cinnabon life

 

[Cymophane]

thx for sharing , this was really neat and entertaining ^.^ I made a tiny gif of it.

Kim went from lawyer to working at a sprinkler store?

Almost depressing as Gene Cinnabon life

nobody gets a happy ending , well except maybe Jesse.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

No didn't Walt and Saul get vaccumned in Granite State? That was around March 2010, and Felina takes place in September that year, so Gene's timeline starts in October 2010. 6 months is still questionable though

You are right, it's technically six months after he disappeared, but the Gene timeline is happening six weeks after El Camino. El Camino happens right after Breaking Bad. That means that Saul Goodman aka James Morgan "Jimmy" McGill has been the number one face on the news and presumed sole survivor of the Eisenberg cartel alongside with Jesse Pinkman for six weeks, if not more, by that point.

Which makes him being the manager of a Cinnabon in plain view absolutely fucking retarded. He 100% could have been the manager of a warehouse, or a night security guard, or anything that's not facing customers. Sure, if it's been a few years no one would think that this is the same guy, but we are talking about while it's the biggest news on national television.

saul and walter if i remember right were shipped away when the latter was 51 and then walt turns 52 in felina. Plus theres copyright with the date 2017 tho that could be a blooper

The copyright is a blooper, it's confirmed that the current Gene timeline started in October 2010 and it's now November 2010.

That means that Saul was sitting at home longingly looking at a copy of his commercials literally days/weeks into being in the run, not years later out of nostalgia.

Maybe the finale episode will turn out to be yet another case of an until-then-great show completely fucking up at the very end, but at least if that happens, it'll be easy enough to just ignore the last four episodes and treat "Fun & Games" as the show's true finale.

Yeah exactly, that's the great thing with this series is that even if they fuck up the last few episodes, they've already had an episode that made for a perfect (if bleak) finale.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

You are right, it's technically six months after he disappeared, but the Gene timeline is happening six weeks after El Camino. El Camino happens right after Breaking Bad. That means that Saul Goodman aka James Morgan "Jimmy" McGill has been the number one face on the news and presumed sole survivor of the Eisenberg cartel alongside with Jesse Pinkman for six weeks, if not more, by that point.

Which makes him being the manager of a Cinnabon in plain view absolutely fucking retarded. He 100% could have been the manager of a warehouse, or a night security guard, or anything that's not facing customers. Sure, if it's been a few years no one would think that this is the same guy, but we are talking about while it's the biggest news on national television.


The copyright is a blooper, it's confirmed that the current Gene timeline started in October 2010 and it's now November 2010.

That means that Saul was sitting at home longingly looking at a copy of his commercials literally days/weeks into being in the run, not years later out of nostalgia.


Yeah exactly, that's the great thing with this series is that even if they fuck up the last few episodes, they've already had an episode that made for a perfect (if bleak) finale.

I guess that's kinda weird but six months is still a pretty long time to be isolated from everyone you love. I always just thought that Granite slate took place over a year and multiple months took place between most Gene scenes. Maybe if you're calendar counting it's strange but eh, i'm not that picky. Would multiple years make as much of a difference either way? Like Saul's Clark Kent disguise is so perfect in 2017 but not in 2010

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Yeah this season has definitely lost its groove. Seasons four and five had many episodes that were the best of either BB or BCS. It seems like they have no real idea how to tie all these timelines together, even though they took an extra year due to COVID-19. I don’t know what they did during that year because this just feels like winging it.