Better Call Saul

-Loved Jimmy's schtick at the Country Club, the subtle and not so subtle Holocaust references were genius.
I could see it coming from a mile away as soon as I saw Wachtell. Then when he was pretending he didn't recognize Wachtell, it was really obvious what was coming. I'd thought he was surprised at first. If he actually was, that was brilliant improvisation, but I think it was planned from the start. "This is about my name, isn't it?"
 
A split second after the end credits start, they play a trailer with the announcer immediately going "In the final episode of Better Call Saul...". I immediately stopped the video for obvious reasons. Is this meant to be a joke (kind of like the "In the next episode" segments in Arrested Development) or are they seriously showing a trailer for the series finale right at the end of the first episode? Happened at the end of the second episode too...
They didn't say that about the finale, they said something about being the final episodes in the plural, or season, don't remember but they were being very clear about it. It wasn't about spoiling the last fucking episode.

I'm starting to think half of the viewership of this show is retarded. Or threadposters, whichever.
 
I could see it coming from a mile away as soon as I saw Wachtell. Then when he was pretending he didn't recognize Wachtell, it was really obvious what was coming. I'd thought he was surprised at first. If he actually was, that was brilliant improvisation, but I think it was planned from the start. "This is about my name, isn't it?"
I think half and half myself. I don't think Jimmy even factored in Kevin getting a sneaky round in, he would have asked Kim for intel after all. But he had the bit prepared in case of any resistance from management or looky-loos telling him he can't be where he needed to be.
 
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I bet the Kevin confrontation is going to tip Howard off that Jimmy is up to some shit. That seemed like an unusually elaborate thing to just be used as a minor roadblock to get Jimmy into the locker room. I think that's going to end up playing out with Howard being told offscreen that Jimmy was at the club making an asshole of himself, and the scene where it looks like Clifford Main was being slowly convinced Howard was a coke head was actually him wondering why all of the "cocaine" shit started dropping out of nowhere.
 
> Wtf no Gene scene?? The S.G house does look nice though
I think we're going to get a full Gene episode (or more) at the end.

I am on the cusp of legitimately hating Kim. Sure, the Kettleman's are weaselly petty thieves stealing from the poor, but someone who abuses their power and connections to intimidate people for their own skeevy ends is the more contemptible to me, and the ends in her case is to ruin a good man for shits and giggles. That's psychopathic levels of cruel. That's some Hector level bullshit and I hope it ends very badly for her.
 
While we are at it, half of you completely misread the Kim scene as well.

Kim said earlier that spending her day helping people getting fucked by the system was one of the best days of her life. When she decided to go with Jimmy, it wasn't to back his play it was to fuck with them. It was to fuck with them because they specifically represent everything she hates: people who take advantage of others without having a single care in the world and not facing justice/repercussions.f

They even show you a lingering shot of Kim looking at an old lady leaving the place for so long they might as well have a flashing neon sign going SEE HOW KIM FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW PISSED SHE IS? GIRLBOSS MOMENT INCOMING!!

It's not at all that Kim "broke bad" or she's now "even scary Jimmy", it's that she was in front of a couple that not only got away with stealing a sizeable amount of money in the past, but now they have scammed hundreds of poor old people out of the little money they have. She fucking hates them because of that, and that's why she feels no compunction fucking them in the ass until she gets what they want, and show them who's wearing the strapon.

If this had been inside of a courtroom instead of their office, she would have been just as ruthless.

I am on the cusp of legitimately hating Kim. Sure, the Kettleman's are weaselly petty thieves stealing from the poor, but someone who abuses their power and connections to intimidate people for their own skeevy ends is the more contemptible to me, and the ends in her case is to ruin a good man for shits and giggles. That's psychopathic levels of cruel. That's some Hector level bullshit and I hope it ends very badly for her.

That's exactly what I mean.

No she's not 'abusing her power and connections' she's rightfully pointing out to scammers that they belong in jail and if they don't shut the fuck up she's gonna be the end that sends them there.

They are the fucking lowest of the low, they scam the elderly out of their money what the fuck is wrong with you if they ended with a bullet in the head in a ditch they'd deserve it. Ending up in jail for the rest of his life after previously embezzling from the public is the least of what this guy and his cunt of a wife deserve.
 
4. They would find Nacho at the motel and, knowing that getting caught would result in torture & death, he would try to shoot his way out and most likely end up getting killed as a result.
Also it was this. He's given a gun and told explicitly " (iirc more than once) shoot whoever comes through the door". The idea was that he'd immediately start blasting and, as a result, be killed- regardless of whether or not the original plan was to take him alive.
 
I think that's going to end up playing out with Howard being told offscreen that Jimmy was at the club making an asshole of himself, and the scene where it looks like Clifford Main was being slowly convinced Howard was a coke head was actually him wondering why all of the "cocaine" shit started dropping out of nowhere.
It kind of pissed me off they're using Clifford Main for this. He's one of the few genuinely nice guys in this even though he is also apparently a bloodthirsty mesothelioma lawyer. Don't let that fool you, though. Most asbestos litigation is long settled and it's an administrative law process where you file your claim and based on the factors of the settlement, you put them on a grid and that's your payout. It's nearly mechanical at this point, and is just to give people what the parties have already decided they're entitled to.

Lawyers who do this stuff in bulk are looking for the jackpot cases that don't fit into any established pattern.

Anyway, Cliffy is a nice guy and it's really mean to manipulate him like this. He isn't as dumb as his hippie stereotype, though. The moment I had feels for him first was when he figured out Jimmy was just fucking up trying to get fired so he could keep his bonus, and his feelings seemed genuinely hurt. He was basically we were going to let you keep that anyway, why'd you do me like this, Jimmy?
 
It kind of pissed me off they're using Clifford Main for this. He's one of the few genuinely nice guys in this even though he is also apparently a bloodthirsty mesothelioma lawyer. Don't let that fool you, though. Most asbestos litigation is long settled and it's an administrative law process where you file your claim and based on the factors of the settlement, you put them on a grid and that's your payout. It's nearly mechanical at this point, and is just to give people what the parties have already decided they're entitled to.

Lawyers who do this stuff in bulk are looking for the jackpot cases that don't fit into any established pattern.

Anyway, Cliffy is a nice guy and it's really mean to manipulate him like this. He isn't as dumb as his hippie stereotype, though. The moment I had feels for him first was when he figured out Jimmy was just fucking up trying to get fired so he could keep his bonus, and his feelings seemed genuinely hurt. He was basically we were going to let you keep that anyway, why'd you do me like this, Jimmy?
See that's why I'm leaning towards him being wise to the plot; he already knows Hamlin and, given his age, would probably be more familiar with who's a coke head and who isn't. My line of thinking is since the Kettlemans "went to every lawyer in town and nobody took it!" that Clifford is going to take it upon himself to poke around and either he or Hamlin himself will connect with Kevin, who will bring up Jimmy making an asshole of himself as publicly as possible at the gold club. Making an asshole of himself on purpose the same way he did at Cliff's practice in order to get fired and keep his sign on bonus. Howard starts making the connections (and given what we know of Howard and Cliff, likely immediately handed off "the cocaine" to the authorities almost immediately. A disgraced client associated with Jimmy started accusing Hamlin of being a coke head immediately after "cocaine" shows up at the clud, the same day Saul drew as much attention to himself as possible.

That's what I think the "all roads lead back to you" in the trailer comes from; Cliff does his own poking around because he knows both and helps Howard figure everything out before Jimmy can make anything stick.
 
-Who's following Kim and Jimmy? Lalo?
Maybe something bigger: the feds or the DEA. That car looked very government-like.

Also, Betsy Kettleman is hot.
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See that's why I'm leaning towards him being wise to the plot; he already knows Hamlin and, given his age, would probably be more familiar with who's a coke head and who isn't.
You might notice he rather quickly said "I've seen this stuff before." Or something of the sort. I bet you have, Cliffy. I bet you have.
Also, Betsy Kettleman is hot.
That shit Kim did was horrible. Just absolutely Salamanca-level ruthless. She is probably also the only person who basically told Lalo to go fuck himself to his face who is still alive.

Still, even as awful as she is, and that they're now ripping off Injuns of their tax refunds, that was impressively cruel. Some minor trace of Jimmy still lives, as she knew he'd given them the money anyway. We all knew he'd do that.
 
When she decided to go with Jimmy, it wasn't to back his play it was to fuck with them. It was to fuck with them because they specifically represent everything she hates: people who take advantage of others without having a single care in the world and not facing justice/repercussions.f
I disagree. Her objective was to get what she needs to ruin the life of an innocent man. The carrot wasn't working so she used a stick to get what she needs to ruin the life of an innocent man, not because intimidating them would cure baby cancer.

eta: I used to love Kim and hated to see her destroy herself. It's part of the genius of the writers that they are able to emotionally yank the viewer like this and you don't even know it's happening until they're done.
 
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Cliff does his own poking around because he knows both and helps Howard figure everything out before Jimmy can make anything stick.
I like this idea, because I like Cliff and he saw right through the Slippin' Jimmy-tier scam to keep his bonus.

I will remain a perpetual sucker for Gilligan's scam of getting you to identify with a character and then reveal that he is actually a piece of shit. BCS is interesting in that you start out with a piece of shit as a character, while he's identifiable, and then we know what a real piece of shit he turns out to be, but then we get to look at the terrible process that made him that way.

BB was about a bastard discovering himself. BCS is about someone who wanted to be a good man, but ultimately had to let out the bad man he actually was.
 
I think she has abandoned reason and replaced it with rationale. She's elevated personal slight to the level of criminality to inflate her ego and sense of power.
I don't think she is at that point. That's why they had to emphasize so very strongly that the reason why she pressed on those two crooks so hard was because they were absolute cunts who robbed the elderly and that's why she was fine doing what she was doing.

I think she genuinely believes that Hamlin deserves it, and that it's more than a personal slight.

I'm not saying she's not going down a darker path, she's slowly sliding down there, but I have no doubt that she can still be pulled back, quite quickly, and it wouldn't take much for her to say to Jimmy 'No you're going too far' or for her to see something and nope out of the situation.
 
I think she genuinely believes that Hamlin deserves it, and that it's more than a personal slight.
Kim is a lawyer and the success she is because of Howard and his father. They've done nothing but be gracious to her and she's never forgiven them for it.
I'm not saying she's not going down a darker path, she's slowly sliding down there, but I have no doubt that she can still be pulled back, quite quickly, and it wouldn't take much for her to say to Jimmy 'No you're going too far' or for her to see something and nope out of the situation
Every character has dug their own grave with a series of conscious choices they made propelled by revenge, hubris, pride, greed. All of them. Walt, Hank, Gus, Sky, Saul, Chuck, even Jesse. I don't think Kim will be the exception. She's going all in.

Everyone is their own undoing.

But, Gilligan is a master of subversion. As Mike said “Whatever happens next, it's not gonna go down the way you think it is.”
 
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While we are at it, half of you completely misread the Kim scene as well.

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It's not at all that Kim "broke bad" or she's now "even scary Jimmy", it's that she was in front of a couple that not only got away with stealing a sizeable amount of money in the past, but now they have scammed hundreds of poor old people out of the little money they have. She fucking hates them because of that, and that's why she feels no compunction fucking them in the ass until she gets what they want, and show them who's wearing the strapon.

If this had been inside of a courtroom instead of their office, she would have been just as ruthless.
These two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

It's possible that Kim has "broken bad" and "turned into Scary Jimmy", AND that she's done it for sympathetic, or even admirable reasons.

Jimmy broke bad because he was tired of watching people play by the rules and get shafted by the Howards and Chucks of the world. Walt broke bad because he wanted to provide for his family and prove he was an alpha male. Gus broke bad to get revenge. And Kim broke bad (past tense; she already started a season ago, at least) because she wants to be a hero lawyer like Atticus Finch and Paul Newman from The Verdict.
 
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