Better Call Saul

[Solid Snek]

I was very displeased with the scene where Jimmy found water out in the desert and poured his pee bottle out.

I felt it diminished the impact and importance of Jimmy walking through the desert, drinking his own pee.

I know he survived the desert, but it felt like the stakes were higher when he and Mike only found something to drink at the truck stop, after they got out of the desert and had entered back into civilization. Having a nice comfy water break while they were still technically lost retroactively hurts the desert episode(s), and by extension, that whole Lalo-based metamorphosis from Jimmy to Saul.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

So, first off, I can't stand Marie. Would have improved this episode 500% if she fucked off forever.

Second off, I am actually glad they left old-man-Jesse out of the flashbacks, MEMBER WALTUH (HIS DICK PUT AWAY) is probably less painful. Could have done without the time travel metaphors.

Third, penultimate, what was Jimmy thinking he'd do by confessing the shit he did in front of Kim? Kim knew damn well better that poison mixes, there's no need to "own up" in front of your "better half". Just own up.

Fourth and ultimately, James is the kind of dude that'd get the shiv, not have a cult following. I'm not at all convinced he is going to survive, finale delivered or no.

 

[skippy]

Enjoyed it, this feels like the last show made for white people and I'm sad about that.

 

[Nuns with guns]

Yeah, The Sopranos this wasn't.

"Chuck. Maybe you knew my brother, Charles McGill"
*SIGN GOES BUZZZZZZZZZZ*
POTTERY

I have to say, I was really onboard until the second flashback. I was really digging it, thinking that somehow, the last few episodes were a fluke, and we were gonna hit it out of the park. Then we got to Walter and retroactively see what Vince was doing with the Mike segment:

"Turns out Mike and Walter deep down were good people all along! They had a bad day, they broke bad, but really, they just wish they could have done thing right from the beginning! They weren't the monsters that we thought they were! Except for Saul, who was always like that! (PSYCHE, HE'S GONNA REDEEM HIMSELF TOO)."

Fuck you, Vince you asshole. It's a really fucking cheap way to get out of it. It's not a redemption for Jimmy, sure he admits it in public and he gets shafted for the next 86 years (maybe out with early behavior), but he's a prison legend, he's not spending his day worried the law is gonna catch up with him... and all this for a nod and a smoke from m'lady.

The whole throwing away his recommendation didn't even make sense. They make it sound like he was trying to save Kim from getting sued in a civil case, but how would it help, exactly?


Don't get me wrong, it was definitely the best episode since the show 's real finale, Bob Odenkirk gave it his all, plenty of funny moments when negotiating, it was was nice to see Charles, Mary, etc... but if I ever rewatch that show, I'll stop watching at Fun & Games, no need for the epilogue, it just cheapens the story.

What makes you think Walt was always good? That flashback showed that both Jimmy and Walt didn't have the balls and admit where they fucked up. Walt's words also hit Jimmy: was he really always the same?

But thinking that he gave up his plea deal for a smoke with Kim is retarded. He had a heavy consciousness and never cared to face it. All the time, whenever it came up, he hid behind Saul Goodman. He arranged that plea deal doing the same, and he entered court like that. What made him reflect on what he's been pushing away instead of facing was that Kim came clean. He had to, too. For him, his list of sins is too great and seven years in the can doesn't cut it. I think Jimmy gets a peace of mind knowing that there's a spiritual redemption, even if he gets to be behind bars.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Enjoyed it, this feels like the last show made for white people and I'm sad about that.

There's still a shit ton of tv shows made for white people

Do you think niggers and spics care about tv shows filled with bipocs, trannies, faggots and interracial couples shoving their woke politics down your throat?

 

[Dontknowdontshowdontcare]

Enjoyed it, this feels like the last show made for white people and I'm sad about that.

The only good characters are niggers and spic

 

[Cheese-Loving Citizen]

The ending was meh. Felt a bit hollow. The only things I liked from it were the courtroom scene (before Jimmy started simping for Kim) and the Chuck scene.

I would have preferred it if it just ended in a courtroom. Jimmy says "fuck it" and goes to trial, representing himself. He knows that he can't win under any circumstance, but at least he'd go out with a blaze of glory doing what he did best. Maybe have a close up of that smirk he does during opening statements then cut to black.

Ah well, at least it Saul over.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

What makes you think Walt was always good? That flashback showed that both Jimmy and Walt didn't have the balls and admit where they fucked up. Walt's words also hit Jimmy: was he really always the same?

Walt's problem for most of his life was that he had been a pushover. His regret was that he found his balls too late, and in a destructive manner. Now that he's looking at everything he's done, what he regrets is letting himself get pushed out of his company, he would have fought for it and he would have led it to success the way he would have been able to. That's the goal of his flashback. That his meth shit was really just about him finding his balls and he wishes he realized he had it in himself and he could have done it the proper way.

Same thing with Mike saying he wishes he could go back and just walk down the straight and narrow, knowing what he now knows, and that this is the life he would have best enjoyed.


This is basically Vince Gilligan giving everyone a makeover at the end, and pretty much everyone had a happy ending.

We now know that at the end, Walt realized that what he had done as wrong, and wished he could go back in his past and undo it all, he wasn't the maniac we thought he was all along. Turns out Mike was also a good guy! And so was Jimmy! And so was Kim! And so was Skylar, she got all that money! And so was Jesse, who's not in Alaska!

All is well that ends well! Isn't it swell!

 

[Blacklight]

What makes you think Walt was always good? That flashback showed that both Jimmy and Walt didn't have the balls and admit where they fucked up. Walt's words also hit Jimmy: was he really always the same?

But thinking that he gave up his plea deal for a smoke with Kim is retarded. He had a heavy consciousness and never cared to face it. All the time, whenever it came up, he hid behind Saul Goodman. He arranged that plea deal doing the same, and he entered court like that. What made him reflect on what he's been pushing away instead of facing was that Kim came clean. He had to, too. For him, his list of sins is too great and seven years in the can doesn't cut it. I think Jimmy gets a peace of mind knowing that there's a spiritual redemption, even if he gets to be behind bars.

That's still fucking stupid. We aren't talking the difference between 7 years and 20 years. We're talking 7 years, and never being a free man and getting buried in the jail's graveyard. Even the most pure man in the world wouldn't sacrifice himself like that for a fucking smoke and wink from a jilted ex-lover.

 

[Absolutego]

There's still a shit ton of tv shows made for white people

Do you think niggers and spics care about tv shows filled with bipocs, trannies, faggots and interracial couples shoving their woke politics down your throat?

also the whole channel of HGTV exists and even in this wokefied age that's 99% white couples doing white couple shit,
I will admit that some of the time they pretend their relationship doesn't count as heterosexuality but come on dawg.

 

[Nuns with guns]

Walt's problem for most of his life was that he had been a pushover. His regret was that he found his balls too late, and in a destructive manner. Now that he's looking at everything he's done, what he regrets is letting himself get pushed out of his company, he would have fought for it and he would have led it to success the way he would have been able to. That's the goal of his flashback. That his meth shit was really just about him finding his balls and he wishes he realized he had it in himself and he could have done it the proper way.

Same thing with Mike saying he wishes he could go back and just walk down the straight and narrow, knowing what he now knows, and that this is the life he would have best enjoyed.


This is basically Vince Gilligan giving everyone a makeover at the end, and pretty much everyone had a happy ending.

We now know that at the end, Walt realized that what he had done as wrong, and wished he could go back in his past and undo it all, he wasn't the maniac we thought he was all along. Turns out Mike was also a good guy! And so was Jimmy! And so was Kim! And so was Skylar, she got all that money! And so was Jesse, who's not in Alaska!

All is well that ends well! Isn't it swell!

Walt was hiding and tore down his family because he was responsible for Hank's death. It happened like two days before in-universe. He is copping out giving another answer. Honestly, if you think Walt was being sincere on that scene you're autistic. He was filled witj rage at that moment and while he caved in to play Saul's game of what if, he gave a bullshit answer.

Even if he fucked up his company, the real thing that tore down his life was not the cancer, but his decision to make meth. It's not le epic manly wow he is literally me because he's a badass, he's an idiot that ruined the lives of many just because he got too greedy.

I'll grant you Mike's, though I still saw it as talking about his son. In the end, he continues to make bad choices. Don't forget that, chronologically, the scene where he visits Nacho's dad goes after. And Manuel tells him what he is: another cartel schmuck trying to make sense of his lack of morality. I think that conversation resounds with him, and makes him have this “you make your bed” idea on Breaking Bad. Remember the El Camino scene with Jesse, where he says you can't right your wrongs. It's complete opposite of what he says here.

I do agree Felina is mostly bullshit. I don't think this was, though. The difference is Jimmy still gets to be imprisoned while Walt had everything on his favor to go on his terms, despite he didn't deserve that option.

 

[JimiHendrix]

i cant believe saul wasn't shot with a 357 gun just as the taxi plates foretold, those fucking schizos lied to me.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Walt was hiding and tore down his family because he was responsible for Hank's death. It happened like two days before in-universe. He is copping out giving another answer. Honestly, if you think Walt was being sincere on that scene you're autistic. He was filled witj rage at that moment and while he caved in to play Saul's game of what if, he gave a bullshit answer.

That's exactly what that moment is supposed to be.

Flashback one:
Mike is being sincere, Jimmy is deflecting

Flashback two:
Walt is being sincere, Saul is deflecting

Flashback three:
Chuck is being sincere, Saul is deflecting

It rhymes like pottery. That's why you see that, at the end of all this, Saul decides to break his pattern. He breaks GOOD, MAN.

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

Really, the best part of the finale was affirming that Walter doesn't understand social cues and is a complete fucking autist. Whether it's Gus or Saul, he just keeps trying to out-reddit people who want a normal conversation.

 

[Johnny Salami]

There's still a shit ton of tv shows made for white people

Do you think niggers and spics care about tv shows filled with bipocs, trannies, faggots and interracial couples shoving their woke politics down your throat?

Democrats and Jews aren't white

 

[Nuns with guns]

Really, the best part of the finale was affirming that Walter doesn't understand social cues and is a complete fucking autist. Whether it's Gus or Saul, he just keeps trying to out-reddit people who just want a normal conversation.

NO REPUTABLE VENDOR

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I can't imagine how many bloggers tomorrow are going to be jizzing all over themselves as they say that "in the end, the story of Better Call Saul was about how Jimmy ultimately, broke good."

 

[LordofTendons]

I always felt a little guilty about pirating this like I pirate almost everything. Not any more.

I will never pay for anything from Hollywood again and neither should anyone else.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I wonder how much of this ending is directly because Vince Gilligan is not happy that shitlords, nerds, mra types and rahrahrah latched on Mike, Walter and Saul, so he decided to retroactively turn them into good guys in order to spite the fans he's not happy having...

 

[TheHarbinger]

Walt was hiding and tore down his family because he was responsible for Hank's death.

Only Jack and Nazis are responsible for Hank's death. Hank charges into the desert with no backup against Walt, a guy who had people in prison killed easily. Walt tells the Nazis to spare Hank and that he can work things out. He even throws all of his money away for Hank. Hank also could have surrendered and bullshitted his way out of it by saying that as a DEA agent he helped Walter with meth many times and is on the take.

Hank was just a terrible DEA agent and idiot. He was written to be a stupid moron who literally eats dinner with a cartel head for an entire year and then almost immediately dies when he finally makes the WW connection. The other agents who worked with Fring are just as dumb.

Hank is in three shootouts alone in BB. Against Tuco, the Twins, and the Nazis. He also sees a DEA informant get beheaded and his head blown up to kill responding DEA agents. Yet goes into the desert alone against Heisenberg a known cartel killer. Guy was suicidal. Him not calling for backup once on the show was cringe inducing.

Even if he fucked up his company, the real thing that tore down his life was not the cancer, but his decision to make meth. It's not le epic manly wow he is literally me because he's a badass, he's an idiot that ruined the lives of many just because he got too greedy.

He is literally consumed by Gray Matter being a huge company. The BCS flashbacks now confirm it yet again. The only reason Walt made meth was because Hank suggested it to him as a way that people make huge money, AND he just happened to have a former student evade an arrest on a meth lab he was doing a ride along for, and the student knows how to cook meth and has connections to dealers. The meth life fell into Walt's lap he was not seeking it out.

Why does Walt return to ABQ in BB? Because he sees Gray Matter on television talking about how Walt just came up with the name. Walt is seething over them for his entire life. Gray Matter is the driving force in his entire life.

If he had been there for Gray Matter his whole life, or Gretchen and Elliott had apologized and given him and his family some money right after the cancer diagnosis, and for cutting him out of the business, you think Walt still makes the meth? Why would he? He was doing it for the money at first. There was no power or control in meth for Walt at the beginning. He nearly gets killed over his first batch. The control and greed came way later. It started out as him wanting to provide for his family. If he had Gray Matter money he never makes meth at all.

I'll grant you Mike's, though I still saw it as talking about his son. In the end, he continues to make bad choices.

Mike's attitude at the water well makes no sense. He has this heart to heart with Jimmy about how he could change his life. Then becomes an even more brutal cartel hitter in BB timeline complete with him working for Gus who uses children for dealers and hitters. And Mike knows about the whole plane crash being connected to Jane Margolis as well. And Mike risks all of his gains and relationship with his granddaughter and basically repeats his disastrous relationship with his son. Mike ends up abandoning his granddaughter alone in public to flee with his drug cartel employees, one of whom just whacks him, and leaves his family with no money anyways. He became even worse.

Mike is still taking the dirty money literally until his last moments dying in the car. And trying to pass dirty money to his family. The same dirty money that got his son killed. It was a stupid retcon of his character. Everyone in BB and BCS has a heart of gold. Even Gus is just a misunderstood queer gentleman. Mike was always a greedy scumbag cartel murderer in BB. Not some tortured soul with a heart of gold just caught up in cartel life.