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AnOminous said:
Except the only time Walt actually interacted with Gus in his own home, there were no signs whatsoever of a wife or kids. He used that bullshit to manipulate Walt. "A man provides."
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Define "no signs whatsoever of a wife or kids."

We basically see his kitchen and maybe another room. What were you expecting, a bright neon sign that says "I am totally straight and love my wife who I have regular penis in vagina sex with." ?

If I'm being fair, I get that Gus has Mike on his payroll, and Mike already knew all about Walt by that point, so yes Gus probably would know exactly what to say to manipulate Walt if he was lying. J just don't buy the "there were no signs of wife or kids, in Gus's house."
 
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UnKillShredDur said:
Define "no signs whatsoever of a wife or kids."
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Also the actor has flat out said that they had plans to have his kids be on the show. And that Gus's home life would be like Walt's only not as chaotic. The actor who played Gus brought in photos of his own children to decorate his office and home for those scenes. But then later they changed his character into being a faggot. So all of that was thrown away for a different story.
Flagstaff AZ said:
I WILL KILL YOUR INFANT DAUGHTER.
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One of the dumbest moments on the show. Gus basically tells Walt, a known maniac who has killed people before, that it's either Gus or Walt's family that is going to die. He basically gives Walt no other option other than to kill him. The same guy who worked with his own enemies and spent years or decades patiently waiting for the moment to kill and poison all of them.
 
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AnOminous said:
Tbh I don't really think that and if so it didn't work. Jack was more sympathetic and honorable than Walt was by that point. Even Todd the psycho prevented them from fucking up Walt's goofy exterminator scheme and getting caught the first time they cooked.

He even only stole most of his money and didn't kill him (a huge mistake) just because Todd had a soft spot for him still. Then Walt turned over the only friend (estranged or not) he had left in the world to him to torture to death (instead he ended up a meth slave).

Jack is just a better person than Walt. Walt is even worse than Jack. They're both mass murderers and somehow Walt manages to be even more pig disgusting.

Walt got off easy the way he died.

It's also not like it was a tortured reach for it to be a white prison gang Walt dealt with. Who else would he deal with that could kill a bunch of guys simultaneously in a bunch of different prisons?
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I mean the Neo-Nazi’s in Breaking Bad really don’t do anything that’s really comparable to what Gus and the cartels or Walt have done. At most they kill some guys in prison, kill Jessie’s pseudo-girlfriend (he was a cuck, tbh. They did him a favor), and ran a meth operation.

There’s no Danny Trejo’s head on a turtle, Hank investigating their criminal activities, or whatever. They aren’t a properly built up antagonist. If it was a rival cartel that was more ruthless than Gus than they likely could’ve been fine. Cartels regularly human traffic (Jesse being a slave moved across location to location to supervise cooks) and have people who work in New Mexico and Arizona government. The Neo-Nazis are a fucking biker gang with the lamest character in breaking bad backing them (Lydia).
 
TheHarbinger said:
One of the dumbest moments on the show. Gus basically tells Walt, a known maniac who has killed people before, that it's either Gus or Walt's family that is going to die. He basically gives Walt no other option other than to kill him.
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Not really. At least he didn't know that. Walt's first impulse was to flee, not knowing the money he needed for the vacuum cleaner guy had been stolen by Skyler to give to Ted Beneke, the guy who cucked him. Walt didn't know that. Gus didn't know that.
 
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AnOminous said:
Not really. At least he didn't know that. Walt's first impulse was to flee, not knowing the money he needed for the vacuum cleaner guy had been stolen by Skyler to give to Ted Beneke, the guy who cucked him. Walt didn't know that. Gus didn't know that.
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And? Walt fled and returned to kill an entire gang of Nazis. He would just flee then return to kill Gus once his family was safe. Gus and the Nazis were both idiotically written characters both of whom allowed Walt to kill them. Mike was no different in the end, tying up Walt with a rubber band, and then being shocked that he escaped would later betray him. Mike should have known he was going to be killed after everything with Gale.

And it's not like The Sopranos where Tony constantly excuses Christopher's behavior because they are cousins. Or The Shield where Vic can't bring himself to kill other Strike Team members because they are best friends. Gus, Mike, and the Nazis don't care about Walt. They should have just killed him but he had plot armor that was ten miles thick.
 
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AnOminous said:
Prison gangs are almost exclusively race-based. Who else was he going to hire? The Hapa Gang?
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They could have made them actually interesting rather than completely one dimensional immoral psychopaths. The last season of BB suffers for having such weak end game villains. I would have honestly preferred they were none in it at all and they just had it end with Walt dying alone before the police catch him to be honest.

At the very least the writers proved they could do it with the fucking Mexican Cartel, who are at least 10 times more brutal than any Nazi gang in America.
 
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Chilson said:
who are at least 10 times more brutal than any Nazi gang in America.
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My understanding is that when it comes to prison stuff in the USA, the neo-Nazi gangs are the most ruthless.

Or did you mean the stuff happening outside of prison?
 
The Crack Spiders Bitch said:
My understanding is that when it comes to prison stuff in the USA, the neo-Nazi gangs are the most ruthless.

Or did you mean the stuff happening outside of prison?
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In prison they are all the more or less the same in the USA, it really depends on the prison whose worse. Outside of prison Cartels are definitely more brutal if only because they have way more power and better organization than Nazi gangs.
 
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I finally at long last caught up on BCS and El Camino. Chuck was my favorite character. Most characters on BCS/BB contain a lot of moral ambiguity, so I found it a bold choice to include a character that was 100% correct about everything all the time in every single situation, yet it paid off.

I wasn't sure the show could continue without him, but then they introduced Lalo, the second-best character. I liked how he met every situation with optimism and a smile, while everybody else was being all introspective and tortured. Lalo could teach those other guys a few things about bearing the weight of guilt and trauma.

Also appreciated how they cleared up the plot hole about how a quadroplegic managed to attach a bell to his wheelchair. It was also cool how Hank is the only guy who immediately caught the pun in Saul Goodman's name. It was very in-character and indicative of his detective skills that he would notice if somebody had a retarded name and immediately begin mocking it.

AnOminous said:
This is more or less everyone in the BB universe. They all had the makings of a good person, a successful person, and they all instead chose a life of crime, leading to an early death.
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It's an interesting mirror of The Sopranos, where Tony only turned to crime because he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
 
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I feel like the issue with Gus is that he is selectively retarded and then has precognition for no reason. Nacho and Walt are the same issue, he could use a light touch and maintain control over someone. Instead, he decides to smack them around for no benefit.

He’ll be allowed to be a character and then he’s a plot device.
 
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Chilson said:
They could have made them actually interesting rather than completely one dimensional immoral psychopaths. The last season of BB suffers for having such weak end game villains. I would have honestly preferred they were none in it at all and they just had it end with Walt dying alone before the police catch him to be honest.

At the very least the writers proved they could do it with the fucking Mexican Cartel, who are at least 10 times more brutal than any Nazi gang in America.
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Jack was actually pretty sympathetic. At least, I liked him more than Walt at that point. He at least had loyalty to his family. Even the stone cold psychopath Todd had a completely understandable crush on Lydia.

Also wtf, why in the world would ANY Mexican cartel even consider doing things for their Northern enemy?
 
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TheHarbinger said:
One of the dumbest moments on the show. Gus basically tells Walt, a known maniac who has killed people before, that it's either Gus or Walt's family that is going to die. He basically gives Walt no other option other than to kill him. The same guy who worked with his own enemies and spent years or decades patiently waiting for the moment to kill and poison all of them.
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Remember how Gus got Walt to come work for him. He bought Jesse's batch of blue meth that was below par, and Walt was pissed that his formula was being used without him. He knows Walt's an egotist. He says it's about the money, but in reality it's about the power, the recognition, and the boost to his ego, even if Walt doesn't know it.

Having said that, he could have handled it better. A sit down where Gus agrees to give Walt a no show job or something as a way of paying him royalties for the formula would have gone further than a threat. Walt doesn't have to launder money any more, everything is legit on paper, and he can stop paying Saul. But as I said, Walt would probably still want to get revenge for once again being booted out of something he believes was all him.
 
Chilson said:
They could have made them actually interesting rather than completely one dimensional immoral psychopaths. The last season of BB suffers for having such weak end game villains. I would have honestly preferred they were none in it at all and they just had it end with Walt dying alone before the police catch him to be honest.

At the very least the writers proved they could do it with the fucking Mexican Cartel, who are at least 10 times more brutal than any Nazi gang in America.
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I like Todd
 
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