Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

[waffle]

People demanding that Null ignore US subpoenas and get in a dick measuring contest with the FBI are just immature retards who have never had the government come fuck them before and don't understand how expensive legal fees are, or that the standard for a criminal subpoena on something like somebody's fucking IP address is so low you're never going to get it quashed

It's not like this is the fucking iii%'er meetup or something with an explicitly anti government message we're all here to just bag on the feds. It's a fucking e-drama/shit posting site trying to recapture the old Internet. Even back then the cardinal rule of every sight was "don't do anything that willake the feds show up or get our hosting pulled". If people think this is new they're either too young to remember what it was really like or lieing.

 

[Pargon]

For real though, closing A&H was the baller move. Everything is infinitely more comfy. Just wanna be left alone to laugh at cows. Maybe sip some cocoa. Have a cookie. Comfy.

The ability to sperg about politics needs to be contained completely to some other site. Every time there's been a high profile ban in the last two years it's been some A&N/A&H poster with no self-control.

This is a site for laughing at idiots, not a haven for angry lunatics.

 

[Coconut Gun]

I don't yet know how I want to word this change, but we can start here:
- If you post violent threats, you're gone.
- If you support posting violent threats, you're gone.
- If you think this site has been compromised by a government entity, I encourage you to leave.

I think this is more than fair, and the people saying that you need to host violent threats are idiots who I have to assume are trying to get this forum taken offline.

 

[DarthBrooks]

Yeah... dude said he was going to shoot people, not that he felt like shooting them. (Wording is everything.) Shock and awe the FBI takes that shit seriously in this day and age. Then you get a bunch of zoomer faggots crying about "muh free speech". They don't like it? Have them host their own site (with blackjack and hookers).
This isn't some butthurt cow whining about the mean kiwi bullies and demanding it taken down because hurt fee-fees. This is a government law enforcement bureau demanding information and the dumbass didn't even try to hide his info. I HIGHLY doubt @Null would put his site in jeopardy and face extradition over some dumbfuck ragetard.

TL;DR The internet is full of narks, and no one is your shield.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Anybody who thinks Nullpo should have told the FBI to fuck off is a retard who should ignored and mocked for being the retard they are.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

People demanding that Null ignore US subpoenas and get in a dick measuring contest with the FBI are just immature retards who have never had the government come fuck them before and don't understand how expensive legal fees are, or that the standard for a criminal subpoena on something like somebody's fucking IP address is so low you're never going to get it quashed

Well, to be fair, that's partially Null's fault. After he told New Zealand's investigators to fuck off(literally), some newfags thought that he is almighty and began calling him dear leader unironically.

 

[Daisymae]

I am asking, because I have no idea what's enough to get contacted by FBI. I've always thought, that non-specified threats are not enough, but it seems I was wrong. Where are the boundaries?

If @mauvwomyn shuffleboard still used this site they could probably make a flowchart to describe how to avoid being contacted by the FBI, but like, god damn, it shouldn't be that hard to avoid that.

 

[smallredboy]

The ability to sperg about politics needs to be contained completely to some other site

Yup. Just because democrats, libs or whoever thinks of kf as of a right-wing extremist highly political yadda-yadda doesn't mean it has to actually turn into it. Let us laugh at onion and fatcows in peace.

 

[Eris!]

Personally, I wouldn't have turned in Sig. Personally, I would tell all feds to fuck themselves.
Personally, I don't run a website. If I did, it would probably fail and I'd go to jail for dumbass shit or something.
This is why, while I will abstractly say it was a bad choice in a thread, I will not @ null and say "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? CHANGE YOUR MIND! TRAITOR!"
It's his website, and he runs it better than I could. It's far more fun and interesting than any website I could make.

I am a terminally arrogant person. I am told this often by many different people.
But I at least have enough humility not to walk into someone's house and tell him how to run things.

Do whatever you think is best, man.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Just wait for null to toss out the fact he plays cricket and croquet two very respectable sports.

 

[byuu]

NOOOOOOOOO!
How am I supposed to save the West if I can't fedpost on a forum about autistic people?

 

[GogglyGoblin]

But Josh, sometimes people post these articles that get me really mad, and then some users (probably jews) post how the OP is right and then I get even angrier, and if I respond to them they keep pushing these ideas that are noxious to western civilization, and I get angrier and post again and then they post again and end up in this endless cycle of anger.
What am I to do other than start throwing threats around? Should I just sit there in front of my computer and stop reading? Should I go outside?
No. My posts must glow as fiercely as my face, red with righteous anger.

In all seriousness, credible threats are still credible threats even if you are joking or add "in minecraft". Even if you think it's unfair or that you, a complete retard, is going to win an argument against the FBI over what is a joke and what is a threat, you should not expect to be protected by other people for free.

 

[Dogfacefuke]

There's such a strong foundation to this community, it kind of blows me away. Its been fascinating as an outsider to watch you guys operate as you have in my short time here.

Mad respect guys, especially null.

 

[Spunt]

If you can't have a political opinion without threatening to murder people on other people's websites, you need a better political opinion. Or be the change you want to see in the world and kill yourself instead (in Minecraft).

I actually quite like being able to state my own (admittedly milquetoast faggy softcore libertarian) political opinions here without hordes of trannies and communists screeching at the mods to swat me, but that's the point - I enjoy talking about politics, it doesn't make me so incoherently angry that I threaten people. If you can't see the difference between debate, shitposting and chitchat on the one hand and rage-fuelled fedposting that threatens the very platform you're using on the other, get off the internet until you do.

This is a freer platform than 99.9% of websites and I am very grateful for that, but I recognise that there are limits. And those limits are very clear, and the reasoning for them is very clear, which is more than you can say in most other places. If that's too much, crawl off to the Chans or Mastodon or something equally gay.

 

[George Orson Welles]

>"biting the hand that feeds."
Are you keeping in step, in the line?
Got your head held high and you're doing just fine?
Cause you do, what you're told?

Anyway, edgy-ness aside, I am genuinely not surprised, at all.

 

[RapeMan]

The pearl clutching trannies in this thread are the same sort of people that took over somethingawful.

 

[Lurkism]

If you can't have a political opinion without threatening to murder people on other people's websites, you need a better political opinion. Or be the change you want to see in the world and kill yourself instead (in Minecraft).

Can I at least draw a picture of John McCain getting shot in the head by my Narutosona?

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Null's house, Null's rules. And these rules seem more than fair, especially since we had a legitimate school shooter as a member at one point. We laugh at autistic people on the internet, and that includes those who want to pick a fight with the Feds. You want to tell Fed-Boy that life has many doors, do so in your capacity as a private citizen, and leave us out of it. We're not, and never will be, your personal army.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

People demanding that Null ignore US subpoenas and get in a dick measuring contest with the FBI are just immature retards who have never had the government come fuck them before and don't understand how expensive legal fees are, or that the standard for a criminal subpoena on something like somebody's fucking IP address is so low you're never going to get it quashed

It's not like this is the fucking iii%'er meetup or something with an explicitly anti government message we're all here to just bag on the feds. It's a fucking e-drama/shit posting site trying to recapture the old Internet. Even back then the cardinal rule of every sight was "don't do anything that willake the feds show up or get our hosting pulled". If people think this is new they're either too young to remember what it was really like or lieing.

This.

Under the best of circumstances, with honest people, this would be a pain in the ass to Null.

Now, take into account the Feebs are NOT the best people.

 

[waffle]

Well, to be fair, that's partially Null's fault. After he told New Zealand's investigators to fuck off(literally), some newfags thought that he is almighty and began calling him dear leader unironically.

Man I think thats a red hearing. It's not reasonable to think that it's ok to post a mass shooting threat about politics in the country where the servers are hosted/site is based/null is a citizen of just because he told some tin pot foreign government on the other side of the planet to get fucked because they had no jurisdiction and the video is LEGAL UNDER US LAW.