Bob Chipman / Robert Lewis Chipman / MovieBob / Game OverThinker - "Coastal Elite Thinker" who wants conservatives, Christians and manual workers eradicated. Universally ignorant; cannot tell reality from sci-fi. Sore loser with short fuse. Odious Disney shill. Tranny chaser and general creep. Fat and diabetic.

[Crass_and_Champ]

Democrat begins leaning right as he regains brain function. News at eleven.


Robert, as always, lets his (exceedingly) little head do the thinking for his fat big head.


Exactly, which makes the few blows to his pride all the sweeter.

Coomerbob can't even pick a side without talking about how hot he finds his favorite Superior Future Advocate. She's not going to dress up like Princess Peach for you, dude.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Nigga, even at its worst point in the 90s (which I'm guessing would have been right before Heroes Reborn) The Avengers sold absolute gangbusters compared to what any Marvel comic book sells today. This even after a financially successful film franchise in general and four successful Avengers films in particular

I would love to see sales numbers, but it's usually the amount sold to stores.

Comics as a whole have been in decline since the speculator bubble popped in 1996, but things were looking abysmal when Marvel and DC dropped Diamond. Dreck like Iceman and America (Chavez) were selling in four-digit figures when the cancellation threshold was around 20,000. Hell, even their "breakout star" Ms. Marvel consistently sold below that. I make no bones that Marvel's current output is much worse than pre-Onslaught/Heroes Reborn and keep in mind this was what was happening in the non-Spidey/X-Men titles.

• Franklin Richards was aged up to adolescence thanks to some time travel fuckery and the Invisible Woman was wearing the skimpy outfit with the "4" boob window. Meanwhile, Johnny apparently married a Skull.
• Captain America's super soldier serum was failing, so he had to wear some cheesy armor to even survive. It was on a better trajectory when Mark Waid and Ron Garney took over before Heroes Reborn kneecapped that run.
• Tony Stark was revealed to be a pawn of Kang (later revealed to be Immortal) and went on a murder spree in "The Crossing". The Avengers had the bright idea of bring back a teenage version of Tony from another timeline to fight the adult Tony. Adult Tony later sacrifices himself and the Wasp is mutated into a human/insect hybrid.
• Teen Tony takes over the core Iron Man title.

Take note that the fanbase reviled most of these stories enough for Marvel to hire Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee to reboot the titles, yet I imagine that they sold better than Marvel's current output.

 

[Bolo_the_Second]

This has to be one of the weirdest "Moviebobism" this idiot has, this strange fixation on manual labour he has.

First, the obvious, in the US, and pretty much in every western country, more than 80% of the work force consists of service goods, so if you want to pursue a creative endeavor in the job market, you very much can, so why Robert acts as if people are resigned to a back breaking fate in some farm/factory is beyond me.

But that is but a fraction of the stupidity compared to the "eliminate brute physical might as a meaningful vector for power" line.

What the actual fuck does that mean? When in history has the poor fucker who is breaking rocks had any sort of societal "vector of power". You could say that brute force has a place in human history, but that would be in tribal times before we even had writen language, otherwise "force" as we understand means for the most part military power, and such power doesn't come with physical prowess, but by numbers and weapons.

But that doesn't matter either, because we now live in the age labour division, as we have for centuries now, and such system benefits people who own the means of production and the ones who have academic merit, like doctors and such, more so in urban aereas in which Bob and most of his country lives in, so why he acts as if a lumberjack has any "vector of power".

Maybe the fatso means worker unions from factories and such, but that would be politics, handled by white collar educated people, even on the workers side as the leadership is usually represented by lawyers.

This is one of the reason why I would like to see Robert here do podcasts with other people, not so much for the debate bro shit, but I would like to know how he concieves this fantasy world he thinks he lives in, with all these ridiculous power dynamics he belives to be held by, and how he would explain that in a actual conversation where he can't just do away with condescending twitter dunks.

I know that will never happen, no one wants to talk to this retard, and the reality of Robert hostility against manual labour is most likely his own feeling of inadequacy, thinking others see the rugged workers as true men, while the fatass with noodle arms and movie trivia as a joke, and he resents it.

That, or he was called a faggot while passing by a construction site.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Irony is, if he had fewer inhibitions he'd be a much more interesting cow.

That's been the thing that protected him from being Boogie, DSP or Ralph all these years. He has so many stupid moments and takes, but will shut up when he realizes he's not going to win and though he'll fake a W, he tries to distant himself from it immediately. After that, it's just repetitive. Eventually, people get bored with him. The old thread used to have two or three new pages of posts a day in the Lolcows forum, but that dropped in half after moving to Tough Guys because not as many people notice Bob unless they see his thread constantly.

The other being that he doesn't put himself out there as much. Boogie has said so many stupid things going on other people's podcasts. No one wants to talk to Bob, partly because he's a turd, but also because he has no value, so people forget about him because they never hear from him.

But that is but a fraction of the stupidity compared to the "eliminate brute physical might as a meaningful vector for power" line.

What the actual fuck does that mean? When in history has the poor fucker who is breaking rocks had any sort of societal "vector of power".

High school. When Bob was in high school, the jocks who were mean to him were in power, just like they are in all the movies, and so Bob needs a society to be created where those mean bullies will suffer endlessly. Except for Bob. He was a bully, but it's okay because he said he was sorry once in a book he wrote twelve years ago.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

This has to be one of the weirdest "Moviebobism" this idiot has, this strange fixation on manual labour he has.

What's also funny is that in this supposed "creatives" utopia, Robert will still be begging for hipster welfare because he's not creative. Oh sure, he puts forth asinine ideas on Twitter, but where's his care bears script? Where's any of the scripts he allegedly has waiting for a Hollywood producer to call him for? Where's his creative fiction? No where to be found. The worst fanfic writers are more creative that Bobby boy. The person who wrote my immortal would be higher on the food chain in Robert's utopia that Robert.

 

[The Noise]

What's also funny is that in this supposed "creatives" utopia, Robert will still be begging for hipster welfare because he's not creative. Oh sure, he puts forth asinine ideas on Twitter, but where's his care bears script? Where's any of the scripts he allegedly has waiting for a Hollywood producer to call him for? Where's his creative fiction? No where to be found. The worst fanfic writers are more creative that Bobby boy. The person who wrote my immortal would be higher on the food chain in Robert's utopia that Robert.

When he says anything about the "creative class" and "creative utopia" he really means that he wants to sit around on his ass all day dicking around while getting paid for it. If you asked him how that society would work I doubt he would have an answer.

In the real world, you actually have to generate value in order to get compensated for it. Even in non-capitalist systems, the general expectation is that there's an employer-employee relationship of work in exchange for compensation. In Bobism, the employer pays him enough to buy a mansion and in exchange he creates value by talking about how he thinks Christians should be genocided on Twitter. This is obviously not representative of reality, but he copes with his self-inflicted pain and suffering by just hoping that, if he bleats about it enough, it'll become real.

 

[Koby_Fish]

This has to be one of the weirdest "Moviebobism" this idiot has, this strange fixation on manual labour he has.

He's angry that the Jetsons Soopeeryah Fyootchah has not delivered him a Rosie the Robot Maid/Irona from Ritchie Rich to do every household task for him. Or Uncle Scrooge's marvelous automated house (Donald Duck Instant Millionaire) with robot butlers, moppers, and pool cleaners!

But that is but a fraction of the stupidity compared to the "eliminate brute physical might as a meaningful vector for power" line.

What the actual fuck does that mean? When in history has the poor fucker who is breaking rocks had any sort of societal "vector of power". You could say that brute force has a place in human history, but that would be in tribal times before we even had writen language, otherwise "force" as we understand means for the most part military power, and such power doesn't come with physical prowess, but by numbers and weapons.

Bob's brain never left middle/high school. As in "hurr durr jocks big and strong jocks dumb, smart people should be in charge, not stupid worthless obsolete hulking not-a-persons, friendo!" as if he never saw that episode of The Simpsons where the MENSA people found themselves in charge of everything and fucked it up royally.

High school. When Bob was in high school, the jocks who were mean to him were in power, just like they are in all the movies, and so Bob needs a society to be created where those mean bullies will suffer endlessly. Except for Bob. He was a bully, but it's okay because he said he was sorry once in a book he wrote twelve years ago.

pretty much this.

When he says anything about the "creative class" and "creative utopia" he really means that he wants to sit around on his ass all day dicking around while getting paid for it. If you asked him how that society would work I doubt he would have an answer.

In the real world, you actually have to generate value in order to get compensated for it. Even in non-capitalist systems, the general expectation is that there's an employer-employee relationship of work in exchange for compensation. In Bobism, the employer pays him enough to buy a mansion and in exchange he creates value by talking about how he thinks Christians should be genocided on Twitter. This is obviously not representative of reality, but he copes with his self-inflicted pain and suffering by just hoping that, if he bleats about it enough, it'll become real.

Also remember, Bob recently claims he has THREE jobs. One is his youtube, one is writing for MatPat's successors, and darned if I know what job #3 is.

 

[Imposteroak]

Anyone got any ideas one what bobs third job is? We know he has matt pats leftovers and his own channel, but I dont know of anything else.
Given how bob is if he had anything big going for him he would definitely rub it in everyone's face. So I'm guessing it's not keeping him too busy.

Edit*
Didn't read @Koby_Fish post before mine, but the question still stands.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

This has to be one of the weirdest "Moviebobism" this idiot has, this strange fixation on manual labour he has.

Have you seen him? He has no physical strength, and trolls called him out for claiming to bench 300lbs. It is pure cope. He doesn't have strength, so he derides it as sour grapes.

But that is but a fraction of the stupidity compared to the "eliminate brute physical might as a meaningful vector for power" line.

It may be those damned Republicans appealing to the blue collar class for votes.

Anyone got any ideas one what bobs third job is?

Probably something he knows the trolls would dogpile him for mentioning. Something that most people wouldn't consider work. It's better to keep it as vague as possible, to maintain that sense of plausible deniability.

 

[blablabla]

This has to be one of the weirdest "Moviebobism" this idiot has, this strange fixation on manual labour he has.

Retardo doesn't have a creative bone in His deformed body. His entire existence Is a prime example in west decadence

 

[TowinKarz]

High school. When Bob was in high school, the jocks who were mean to him were in power, just like they are in all the movies, and so Bob needs a society to be created where those mean bullies will suffer endlessly.

This is it, right here.

Bob's idea of the strong still ruling the weak from a physical standpoint is a high school era experience with him that he never grew out of.

And it still shapes his political views even though any casual observation of reality should show that such a power dynamic doesn't exist outside of high school.

Well, you could argue it kind of does, people "bully" their way into positions of power all the time, but it's not by physically beating up and doling out wedgies to those in the way. But nothing suggests Bob's being metaphorical in his ranting.

He also has that hang-up on "manual labor" being the breeding ground for these kinds of strongmen... as if he thinks lumberjacks and quarrymen still go out with hand tools to do their jobs today instead of using something from the Caterpillar corporation... if you can work a joystick, you can move 5 tons while sitting on your butt in an air-conditioned cab .... thanks to his beloved "technology" - is that what he's upset about? That blue-collar types aren't exerting themselves ENOUGH while still somehow exerting force on others?

I don't know...

It really is a spaghetti bowl of unfocused rage and scorn with no start or end.

 

[Positron]

19May#01
Did you know Hollywood has been warning us about Donald Trump for at least 35 years?

Oh BTW, Hollywood also teaches us many important lessons, such as pedophilia is female empowerment (e.g. Poor Things).

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19May#05
Bobby is angry that leftists with quote-unquote "good intentions" threaten to deprive him of more summers and Halloweens.


19May#06
ME ME ME!!!! THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS ME!!!!!!! STOP CARING ABOUT "THE PEOPLE AND START CARING ABOUT "THE PERSON"!! AND BY "THE PERSON" I MEAN OF COURSE ME!!!!!!!

Thank you John Vinals.

19May#07
Someone overestimated Bobby, an easy mistake to make.


19May#08
The worst Bobby can do is to tell his toadies to mass-report you, and try to get you fired from your job if he knows where you work.

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19May#09

And Claudine Gay was the president of Harvard.

19May#10
When three congresswomen sling mud at each other, side with the "hot" one.


19May#11
Justice Alito and the up-side-down American flag.


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19May#13

People tend to get more conservative as they age, as they accumulate things and relationships they care to conserve.

19May#14
Hence pinko shit are the sole reserve for rich people like Nick Parrott, who has his parents do the conserving for him


19May#15

I don't know who Jonah Goldberg is but he is 100% right.

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19May#16
Bobby thinks it is fun to kill all Russians, and thinks that the only things of value in Russia are the Tetris "castles".

Americans have a well-deserved reputation for their abject ignorance, but perhaps if you simply discount Bobby the country would have looked somewhat brighter?

19May#17

Unlike many people who read this thread, I don't get mad with Bobby's "stupid" rhetoric -- but this shit is just booooring,

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19May#21

China does not have a "fertility crisis".

19May#22

But is the page wrong?

19May#23
Latest study about suicide rate of post-op trannies. No surprises here.

The excuse by Caleb Lawrence does not surprise me either.

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19May#25
I hear the grift machine whirl.

I'm not sure about the "decidedly hetero" part.

19May#26

I posted this shit already (08May#05)

19May#27

For some reason people are not interested in "the best movie ever made" and are more curious about Seinfeld's "failed" project. Most people are stupid anyway.

19May#28
Another of those movies that make Bobby proclaim, "It makes water comes of my eyes".


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19May#32
We should have killed MCU before it laid eggs.


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19May#35
Lasting impact. Continued from 18May#20


19May#36
Another bestest ever.


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19May#40
Ugly cartoon. Don't care.

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19May#41
Asshole's Screed Shitshows. I skipped all the retwats.


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19May#43

Imagine the second-in-command in BlackPantherLand is white.

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19May#45
A full-on slapfight between Peter Coffin and Bobby. Haven't seen the likes of it for a while.

If "artists" wants the respect they think they are owed, then please make some art, instead of pop-culture gruel and tranny melodrama. And Bobby's incessant stalking of Pete gives the lie to his assertion that he is "decidedly hetero"

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19May#48

Here lies the origin of Bobese.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

19May#07
Someone overestimated Bobby, an easy mistake to make.

Getting smacked down by a fetish account would be a low point for anyone but Robert.

19May#09

And Claudine Gay was the president of Harvard.

You can take the rat out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the rat.

19May#18

Der Blobbenfurher thinks asymmetrical war should be conducted by Boston Dynamics and its little robots.

19May#34

A telling statement from Bob. He thinks everyone he hates is exactly the opposite of him.

 

[blablabla]

19May#42

Your grandpa was worthless AND unfunny just like the entire shitman clan

 

[Mr Processor]

19May#18

Shinzo Abe.

19May#16
Bobby thinks it is fun to kill all Russians, and thinks that the only things of value in Russia are the Tetris "castles".

Americans have a well-deserved reputation for their abject ignorance, but perhaps if you simply discount Bobby the country would have looked somewhat brighter?

Bob wants to kill all the Russians for something no informed person actually thinks the Russians did.

19May#21

China does not have a "fertility crisis".

Bob is incredibly ignorant about the US in the mid 1950s, unsurprisingly.

19May#39

I don't believe Bob actually feels genuine emotions.

19May#44

Nikke is pretty popular. It's a mobile game, so I've never played it, but if Bob was at all informed on mobile games he'd have heard of it. I guess the Game Overthinker really was a long time ago, or maybe Bob can accept the console/PC gamer position the mobile games aren't real games. However, that would rob him of a chance to own the CHUDs so he probably won't do that.

 

[JayHarrison]

[2024.05.19-01] Did you know Hollywood has been warning us about Donald Trump for at least 35 years?

Here's the irony: Moviebob actually does want to hurt innocent people.

Oh BTW, Hollywood also teaches us many important lessons, such as pedophilia is female empowerment (e.g. Poor Things).

Not only that, but Hollywood has taught us that being a pedophile won't disqualify you from being elected into the White House (e.g. Fuckwit in Chief Biden).

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[2024.05.19-04]

Retweeted by Eugenicsbob.

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[2024.05.19-05] Bobby is angry that leftists with quote-unquote "good intentions" threaten to deprive him of more summers and Halloweens.

Moviebob admits to being a Vote Blue (No Matter Who) cultist.

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19May#06
ME ME ME!!!! THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS ME!!!!!!! STOP CARING ABOUT "THE PEOPLE AND START CARING ABOUT "THE PERSON"!! AND BY "THE PERSON" I MEAN OF COURSE ME!!!!!!!

Thank you John Vinals.

@CanisLupus1365 is correct. Also true: The vast majority of the human race is intellectually superior to Biden--and Moviebob as well.

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[2024.05.19-07] Someone overestimated Bobby, an easy mistake to make.

@BaldBabeBeauty is absolutely correct about Moviebob being an egomaniacal sociopath. Moviebob's entirely wrong about being the victim of targeted harassment; as I said in a previous post, you cannot bully the bullieis and Moviebob is a bully.

Coincidentally, Positron's 16th image seems pertinent to #7:

[2024.05.19-16] Bobby thinks it is fun to kill all Russians...

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[2024.05.19-08] The worst Bobby can do is to tell his toadies to mass-report you, and try to get you fired from your job if he knows where you work.

And yet, I've mass reported Moviebob for seemingly hundreds of posts that are obvious TOS violations, and Bob's still on X-Twitter. Circumstances like this are why I sometimes hate reality.

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[2024.05.19-16] Bobby thinks it is fun to kill all Russians, and thinks that the only things of value in Russia are the Tetris "castles".

Americans have a well-deserved reputation for their abject ignorance, but perhaps if you simply discount Bobby the country would have looked somewhat brighter?

Without Moviebob? I figure the average American citizen's IQ would be about ten IQ points higher because Moviebob really is that stupid.

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19May#17

Unlike many people who read this thread, I don't get mad with Bobby's "stupid" rhetoric -- but this shit is just booooring,

That's because Moviebob's blithering, hate-fueled stupidity is predictable.

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[2024.05.19-45] A full-on slapfight between Peter Coffin and Bobby. Haven't seen the likes of it for a while.

If "artists" wants the respect they think they are owed, then please make some art, instead of pop-culture gruel and tranny melodrama.

Moviebob can learn a lot from this Positron comment.

 

[King Dead]

If I were being charitable, I'd say that Bob's romanticized vision of a fully automated future is something like The Jetsons, which he no doubt watched reruns of endlessly when he was a child and probably shaped his view of what the future would bring. A society where machines do literally all labor, to the point that "work" is showing up to a console and occasionally pressing a button, leaving you free to spend the rest of your day lounging about doing nothing. Bob was fed the dream of a post-scarcity future where nobody would ever have to do anything tedious or demanding, and could instead channel all of their time and energy into artistic endeavors, freed from the need to actually work to support themselves for a living, a perfect society for all.

But if that was ever his vision, that's long gone. Now, Bob only wants that do-nothing-and-get-paid-for-it future for the already creative class (which of course Bob is a member of, despite not creating anything), not for those damn regressives trying to hold his Superior Future back. He doesn't want to extend the benefits of post-scarcity to those he hates, he wants to see them trampled underfoot. Because his unrealistic fantasy isn't coming true fast enough for him, he lashes out at everyone he thinks is working against it, never once realizing that we're a long way away from a fully automated workforce, if it ever happens.

For someone who styles himself as an enlightened Thinker, he sure does believe in some crazy things.

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19May#09

And Claudine Gay was the president of Harvard.

Fani Willis, the DA presiding over the Trump case in Georgia, presumably also has a law degree, and she's one of the most incompetent and moronic lawyers I've ever seen. Qualifications mean jack shit if the person in question didn't really earn them, and was instead given a pass because of DEI initiatives.

And respect is earned, not automatically given. Frankly, we should return to the days when Congressmen whipped each other with canes, get rid of the facade that they're any better than the rest of us. Fuck decorum.

19May#14
Hence pinko shit are the sole reserve for rich people like Nick Parrott, who has his parents do the conserving for him

The only line in this retarded spiel that I want to point out is Bob stating that he doesn't want to spend the next seventy years of his life fighting for "the People." He's said something similar before, the retarded notion that he's somehow going to live to be 120, and it's frankly mind-boggling why he thinks that's going to happen.

My grandmother lived to be almost 110 years old, and up until a few months before she passed, she was still doing alright. Her mental faculties were all still there, she remained active in the nursing home she was in, and people were always shocked to hear how old she was because she didn't look it. Thing is, my grandma didn't eat herself into a fat blob, chug booze every day, and spend all her time in a perpetual state of rage at things that don't matter. Bob is gonna be ridiculously lucky if he's only halfway through his life at this point, considering how he looks like he's at least a decade older than he actually is and he's only gotten worse over time. I'd be surprised if he makes it another twenty years to outlive his dad.

19May#16
Bobby thinks it is fun to kill all Russians, and thinks that the only things of value in Russia are the Tetris "castles".

Americans have a well-deserved reputation for their abject ignorance, but perhaps if you simply discount Bobby the country would have looked somewhat brighter?

Yes, let's go to open war against a nuclear-armed country for the crime of Trump (even though that was all bullshit), that can't possibly end horribly. Bob is definitely not retarded.

19May#23
Latest study about suicide rate of post-op trannies. No surprises here.

The excuse by Caleb Lawrence does not surprise me either.

Trannies kill themselves because they're mentally ill, and mentally ill people are more likely to kill themselves. If we wanted to stop trannies from killing themselves, we would stop enabling their mental disorders and help them overcome their issues. But trannies don't want to hear that simple truth, so they'll blame everyone else but themselves.

19May#29

Disney animators borrowing from propaganda for a musical sequence in The Lion King doesn't mean that it's blatantly political, it just means that both the propaganda and the movie are drawing from a shared imagery. Cultures throughout history understand how to convey order and strength through artistic choices, and that's all there is to it. If they were trying to be more on the nose, then Scar would have had the hyenas exterminate some kind of undesirables.

19May#31

Explain how last year, only a single MCU movie cracked the top 10 worldwide gross. Explain how last year, only two MCU movies cracked the top 10 domestic gross, and nowhere near the top. Explain how these are trends downward over the past decade.

The MCU is a dying brand, and people hoping for it to somehow become popular again are delusional.

19May#32
We should have killed MCU before it laid eggs.

I think someone mentioned in the MCU thread how they tried to follow the story of just the characters they liked, but they found it harder to stay invested when the movies were referencing things that they hadn't seen. Most of the story of the movie would be self-contained, but there would be multiple things that they'd have no context for.

I'm starting to be more and more of the opinion that it was intended that you watch everything, and that's part of why the MCU is floundering now. Obviously it makes business sense to structure things in this way: if you instill in audiences the notion that you have to see this movie to understand what comes next, they'll go to see it even if they wouldn't have been all that interested otherwise, increasing box office revenue. But that only works as long as people remain invested, which was easier for the people who had been there from the start when the barrier to entry was lower. Nowadays, with dozens of movies and TV shows released and over a decade of continuity, anyone coming into the franchise won't have an easy time building that initial investment because of how daunting the prospect of watching it all is.

And even the people who were there from the start can't keep up their enthusiasm forever. Endgame was the jumping off point for a lot of people, myself included, and I had been enjoying the series as a whole up until then (except Captain Marvel, which I wisely skipped because I was pretty sure it wouldn't come up in Endgame at all, and I was right). I've already related the story of how my friend put on Doctor Strange 2 on a whim because he likes the character, and after five minutes we shut it off because we had no context for anything and nothing to engage with.

Marvel is now flailing about trying to make it seem like they didn't actually want you to watch everything, but it's a lost cause. When consumers break their habits, it's very hard for them to get them to pick them up again.

19May#33

Paging @Mola Ram, Bobby's talking about LotR again and I'm feeling my blood start to boil. Can you take this one?

19May#35
Lasting impact. Continued from 18May#20

So, box office matters as an indication of how good a movie is, except when people use it to point out how bad a Disney movie does, in which case it doesn't. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Bobby.

19May#42

No, Bob, I'm sure your racist grandpa would be bitching about the nigger in the Jap game. Don't try to pretend like he's one of the good ones when we know you're one of his descendants.

 

[Mola Ram]

Paging @Mola Ram, Bobby's talking about LotR again and I'm feeling my blood start to boil. Can you take this one?

Hoo boy.

Where to begin? First of all, I must concede Bob is vaguely correct in the sense that Lord of the Rings takes place during a decline into the mundane world, like many fantasy stories ... but it's assuredly not the "end of the world as we know it," at least not in any apocalyptic sense. The elves are leaving, magic is leaving, but the mortal world is redeemed by Frodo's sacrifice and the courage of those who stood against Sauron. (The Hobbit gets conflated with this, but The Hobbit is more of a simple adventure story with a bittersweet ending ... and it even ends with the dwarves winning back their kingdom from the dragon, so I don't know what Bob is talking about, other than using a shorthand for dummies.)

Rings of Power is assuredly not an "antediluvian" story -- that's The Silmarillion. There is a catastrophe that destroys Arda's greatest human realm, but it's far closer to the Atlantis story than the Biblical flood. The fall of Beleriand in The Silmarillion might be what Bob's referring to by "its own pre-pre-Apocalypse," but with his tortured prose, who knows?

But the biggest issue with his analysis ... Middle-earth was never a Paradise! Not even in the "antediluvian" period, which was filled with horrible wars, vicious internecine conflict, terrible curses that destroyed entire families, and a dark lord so overwhelming that he essentially won, until one man reached the shores of actual paradise and begged for help from the closest thing that world had to gods.

Bob is regurgitating, without much understanding, stuff you can get either from Wikipedia or any of several Middle-earth specific wikis. It's not completely incorrect, but it's not really right, either.

I await with trembling his review of RoP Season 2 and why you're just a chud if you think it's a bad adaptation of Tolkien. (Who was a filthy filthy unrepentant BELIEVER, by the by.)

 

[Mr Processor]

Bob is regurgitating, without much understanding, stuff you can get either from Wikipedia or any of several Middle-earth specific wikis. It's not completely incorrect, but it's not really right, either.

I look forward to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit annotated editions where the annotations are done by MovieBob (in crayola brand crayons).

Aside from the The Lord of the Rings, Bob's original tweet in the thread was about Star Wars. The original Star Wars trilogy was not about the descent from paradise. It was about the decline of civilization. Specifically the decline of a civilization into totalitarianism. This is based not in mythology but in historical precedent, including the Roman Republic turning into a state ruled by an Emperor.

I don't think Lucas and company were trying to do anything super deep with Star Wars, I think they were using a very obvious historical comparison to differential the good guys from the bad guys in a fun adventure story.

Because Star Wars takes place after the ascent of the Emperor, it's not easy to judge what came before based simply on Star Wars. You get hints from Kenobi ("a more elegant weapon from a more civilized time") and Tarkin ("The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.")

I would however argue that Bobby's point:
is obviously dead wrong. Another statement by Tarkin, "The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this station." The Empire didn't have a Death Star battle station before the Death Star he was on came online, a tremendous leap forward in technology. I have a feeling the Empire didn't think much of Jedi light sabers as weapons, which required specialized training to use and weren't powerful in the hands of a non-Force user. Death Stars, Star Destroyers and Imperial Walkers were all evidence of the Empires overwhelming technological might and a much higher priority than Light Sabers (or "Light Whips.." mmmm light whip.)

 

[Historical Strelkov]

"Establish mental and creative power as the ultimate delineations of human status and power in their own right"
Ok but what if AI is better than you, Bob?