Bob Chipman / Robert Lewis Chipman / MovieBob / Game OverThinker - "Coastal Elite Thinker" who wants conservatives, Christians and manual workers eradicated. Universally ignorant; cannot tell reality from sci-fi. Sore loser with short fuse. Odious Disney shill. Tranny chaser and general creep. Fat and diabetic.

Has Bob commented or review The Apprentice movie yet?
No review. His only commentary is that MCU can now use "Oscar nominee Sebastian Stan" in publicity.

31Jan#01
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When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.

31Jan#02
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31Jan#03
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Those *knee socks* are as hard to screencap as Sharon Stone's snatch. This "Kirk Unit" is a grade-A creep.

31Jan#04
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31Jan#05
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31Jan#06
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31Jan#07
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Why waste money on a pitch that you cannot cash in immediately?

31Jan#08
Bioware's clean-up now has an A&N.
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Archive of the post by some Simon Pulman that Luke Plunkett quoted.

31Jan#09
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31Jan#10
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Can this Faine Greenwood tell us how to "act accordingly", considering none of us has experience waging wars against death cults, murderous or otherwise?

31Jan#11
Black Hawk Crash.
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31Jan#12
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31Jan#13
Trump asserts that he did change Obama's policy regarding FAA, yet Biden changed it back again. This part is, of course, not pointed out by Aaron Rupar.
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It has transpired that air traffic control did send a warning to the Black Hawk pilot. Understaffing does not seem to me a valid excuse.

31Jan#14
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31Jan#15
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31Jan#16
So why the above isn't "politicizing a tragedy"? Let mtsw explain:
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31Jan#17a
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So Trump didn't even fire that Michael Whitaker but he flounced on his own? 100% DEI hire confirmed. And Bobby will gladly show you his exploding rocket if you are a "tall woman".

31Jan#17b
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31Jan#18
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It is fun to see how these people thinks dumping good money after bad will save us from the mess that Biden passed to Trump. It isn't that the American government hired too few people; it is that it hired too many incompetent people, and they need to go.

31Jan#19
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I cannot source the OP's quote. Some people on BS call fake, but Bobby is credulous. I would demand a cognitive test on Bobby, but we all know it is pointless.


31Jan#20
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31Jan#21
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> When boomers die, America will be DNC's.
> The GOP is better attuned to the younger generation because they are younger.

Can you make up your mind already?

31Jan#22
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31Jan#23
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31Jan#24
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31Jan#25
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31Jan#26
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There are easy retorts to Rus McLaughlin: "No, we are not blaming blacks and women. We are blaming people who hire blacks and women just for being blacks and / or women". And Dan Murphy's proposal to further ruin the standings of journoroaches sounds acceptable.

31Jan#27
Speaking of DEI, someone still remembers the wild fire.
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31Jan#28
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Tell the kids' parents.

31Jan#29
And please tell those same parents to teach their kids to respect law enforcement officers.
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31Jan#30
Public school teacher teaches student to go against law enforcement officers. She should have been fired and persecuted, instead of merely put under "administrative leave".
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31Jan#31
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Spare the rod, spoil the child. No one wants their kid to grow into Bob Chipman.

31Jan#32
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Higher birth rates mean higher needs for transportation; race and religion have nothing to do with it. Harvard people like Big Al are retarded.

31Jan#33
Troon shit.
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When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.
If I'm remembering my Bob lore right, he was part of a movie review show on a local public access cable TV station. I think he once claimed he quit that job when his boss pulled a gun on him or something.

31Jan#11
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Does Bob think Trump personally crashed that plane into that helicopter or something? Or that Musk hand-picked the pilots and air traffic controllers?
 
If I'm remembering my Bob lore right, he was part of a movie review show on a local public access cable TV station. I think he once claimed he quit that job when his boss pulled a gun on him or something.


Does Bob think Trump personally crashed that plane into that helicopter or something? Or that Musk hand-picked the pilots and air traffic controllers?
"A bad thing that happened under Trump = Trump's fault!" I'm sure if you pointed out the logical fallacy in that he'd say "Well I'm just using the logic republicans used for Biden!" without realizing that usually the people saying that were claiming a specific cause an effect with a tangible logical trail you could follow, correct or not.
 
Why waste money on a pitch that you cannot cash in immediately?
Talk about your typical MovieBob inability to understand basics.

"Just buy it, you might use it someday" is how we get hoarders, not successful companies.
Does Bob think Trump personally crashed that plane into that helicopter or something? Or that Musk hand-picked the pilots and air traffic controllers?
Remember, his worldview is "Bad things deserve to happen to bad people" - This accident HAD to happen to punish both the Trump supporters on the plane AND the Trump opponents on the same plane.

Who, clearly, didn't do enough to keep the Trump supporters OFF the plane as they SHOULD have.

So they deserve their fates too.
 
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When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.
I don't know about you Bob, but getting hired on merit instead of skin tone would be nice now a days. You wouldn't know, you're self employed.
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> When boomers die, America will be DNC's.
> The GOP is better attuned to the younger generation because they are younger.

Can you make up your mind already?
Let me explain why Trump got the Youth vote. Obama made the lunches suck, and Biden tanked the economy to the point you need 2 shit tier jobs to break even. It wasn't thar way under Trump.
 
First post for February Eve, 2025.

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When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.
None of which any sane, thinking person would ever wear in public... or while streaming.

If I'm remembering my Bob lore right, he was part of a movie review show on a local public access cable TV station. I think he once claimed he quit that job when his boss pulled a gun on him or something.
If it's Moviebob making such a claim, I'm hammering away at my X button in extreme doubt.



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LOL, no. Almost every single evil thing that happens in and to America today is directly the fault of the Democratic Party. In fact, the Democratic Party has done more to stifle American progress and ruine America's societal relationship in 197 years than all other current and former American political parties combined.

Can this Faine Greenwood tell us how to "act accordingly", considering none of us has experience waging wars against death cults, murderous or otherwise?
The only death cult I see here is the Democrats.



[2025.01.31-11] Black Hawk Crash.
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If stupid people shouldn't exist, neither should Moviebob.

At least @sicily151 here is delivering a statement that can be substantiated, whereas @greenytea and Moviebob are talking out of their respective asses.

While we're on the topic of people speaking out of their asses, here's Pete Bootyjuice:
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I cannot confirm this, but I heard something yesterday suggesting the airport monitoring the involved aircraft involved was understaffed at the time this unfortunate midair collision took place.

[2025.01.31-13] Trump asserts that he did change Obama's policy regarding FAA, yet Biden changed it back again. This part is, of course, not pointed out by Aaron Rupar.
Because Rupar, like Moviebob, kneells before the Democrat Diocese and dares not criticize anyone on Team Donkey.
@SamSchwartz strikes me as the kind of dipshit whose response 2021's experimental COVID-19 would be determined if he suffered any negative complications or not. If he suffered no complications, he'd be celebrating Biden to the high heavens; if he started experiencing potentially catastrophic side-effects, he'd blame Trump for them, despite Biden forcing it into his veins.

It has transpired that air traffic control did send a warning to the Black Hawk pilot. Understaffing does not seem to me a valid excuse.
Positron could be right about understaffing not being a valid excuse. As I said above, I cannot confirm anything about the DC-area airport being understaffed or not.



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The core selling point of the Democratic party: Other people's suffering can be used as an opportunity for Democrats to exploit the tragedy for political gain. #FixedItForYou.

[2025.01.31-16] So why the above isn't "politicizing a tragedy"? Let mtsw explain:
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No, the Democrats' position was to fill these agents with literal sideshow freaks who were hired because Diversity™ supercedes meritout qualifications.



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It is fun to see how these people thinks dumping good money after bad will save us from the mess that Biden passed to Trump. It isn't that the American government hired too few people; it is that it hired too many incompetent people, and they need to go.
Exactly. E-X-actily.



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And when Joe Biden finally kicks the bucket, every warm-blooded American patriot will read Joe Biden's obituary with extreme pleasure--even moreso now that Commie Harris no longer in the line of succession for the White House.

I shall continue...
 
Second post for February Eve, 2025.

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"[Democrat] leadership is not optimized for the Attention Age"? Dude, if this really is the so-called "Attention Age" in America, then the Democratic Party is doomed; only the uninformed people continue voting Democrat.

> When boomers die, America will be DNC's.
> The GOP is better attuned to the younger generation because they are younger.
Can you make up your mind already?
Nope. Moviebob can't stick to a single opinion outside of "Democrats good; all other parties bad".

[2025.01.31-23]
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Adam Schiffbag's evidence against Kash patel is little more than "because I said so, and that's all the evidence you need".

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Oh, shut up, you overpaid, underintelligent witch!



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There are easy retorts to Rus McLaughlin: "No, we are not blaming blacks and women. We are blaming people who hire blacks and women just for being blacks and / or women".
Exactly. E-X-actly.

And Dan Murphy's proposal to further ruin the standings of journoroaches sounds acceptable.
Yep!



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Oh, the hypocrisy! Every single time I see Moviebob reposting something that reads "children should neve have to experience [...] suffering", you can easily don the shades from They Live, and see Moviebob's honest reaction to matters like this: "Children should never have to experience suffering--unless they're the children of MAGA, in which case, they should be forced to endure as much pain and suffering long as legally possible."

[2025.01.31-29] And please tell those same parents to teach their kids to respect law enforcement officers.
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Surprising nobody, Moviebob condones violence against others.

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We all know Moviebob doesn't believe all minors deserve protection from physical violence. Just look at how Bob reacted to the Nick Sandmann and Kyle Rittenhouse incidents.

No one wants their kid to grow into Bob Chipman.
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Higher birth rates mean higher needs for transportation; race and religion have nothing to do with it.
A Thinker™ like Moviebob should know that.

Done for now.
 
Positron could be right about understaffing not being a valid excuse. As I said above, I cannot confirm anything about the DC-area airport being understaffed or not.
The airport could be understaffed, not enough ramp agents and baggage handlers or janitors, etc. But, that doesn't mean the tower was understaffed.

A case of "true, but not true" that people with an aversion to just telling the truth love because that's the raw materials for building their favorite thing: NARRATIVES!
 
I'm going to play a slight game of Devil's Advocate for Disney Star Wars.

Take Andor I watched it, and it was pretty great, and it got good reviews and good word of mouth. Now a lot of the I hate anything Disney Star Wars crowd either hated it or downplayed that it was good calling it boring which to me made them sound like babies who needed dangling keys to stay entertained much like people who call old movies too talky.

But Acolyte was different it had middle of the road reviews and terrible word of mouth this wasn't "Dude Bros" hating on it this was everyone saying this show was just bad. I checked out the 1st two episodes and checked out it just wasn't good. To be fair it wasn't a dumpster fire, but it wasn't good also. Honestly it wasn't even that "woke" it was just bad.

Same thing is happening right now with Trek and I'm not someone who hates all of new Trek. I hate Discovery and the 1st 2 seasons of Picard but that it the rest it pretty decent. But this new Section 31 movie that was released a day or two ago looked like trash from the trailers and is getting savaged by the critics.

There are definitely people who hate anything with the name Marvel, Star Wars, or Star Trek to it today just to hate but there is also bad shit being released under those banners that don't deserve a pass because of the former.

Acolyte was bad it would have been bad even without the Star Wars name attached and Blobby is a consuming virtue signaling fat bitch.
I know I am a bit late here, but how exactly is a show centered on lesbian space witches smashing the patriarchy and telling us that everything we were taught about the central beliefs of the galaxy was lies and appropriation of a subjugated culture NOT woke?
 
When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.
he means the time he was being a movie critic on Cable Access in Boston, where he claimed the guy who hired him was miffed about his opinion of The Passion of the Christ to the point of threatening Bob with a handgun. For those who forgot, The Passion of the Christ came out in 2004. That was fucking 21 years ago.
Timothy Dalton ONLY did 2 Bond Movies. Bob SHOULD know this. The Living Daylights (1987), and License to Kill (1989). Bob saying that, is REALLY stupid and meaningless. Bob would have made a better point if he was making a reference that ended in 1983, and said, "Sean Connery was STILL James Bond in 1983" because Sean Connery was James Bond starting in 1962 with Dr. No, and his last film was Never Say Never Again (1983). Good Grief how is Bob so bad at his job?
Immigrant from where? Trinidad & Tobago? Maybe they ought to go back to wherever-it-is. Sounds like they're illegal, so good riddance if the ICE gets 'em. If they're a sex worker, why the fuck can't they just do all the work on their back and make ALL THE MONEY?! They probably wouldn't BE homeless in their country of origin.
31Jan#07
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Why waste money on a pitch that you cannot cash in immediately?
Jordan Harper's friend is a moron. So is Bob. So is Jordan Harper tbh. Pitch it again to someone else but LEAVE OUT THE BULLSHIT.
It has transpired that air traffic control did send a warning to the Black Hawk pilot. Understaffing does not seem to me a valid excuse.
I have to wonder - putting on my tinfoil hat here - whether the Blackhawk Pilot did it ON PURPOSE as a murder-suicide to make drumpf look bad (and thus a terrorist attack).
So Trump didn't even fire that Michael Whitaker but he flounced on his own? 100% DEI hire confirmed. And Bobby will gladly show you his exploding rocket if you are a "tall woman".
Michael Whitaker stated in December his intention to eventually resign. He is an old white dude but he's a lawyer, not an expert in Planes Flyings.

Also, Bob, the stupid fucking hypocrite who claims that "harassment websites are making shit up about him", does the same goddamn thing to Musk:
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So NO, Elon did NOT have "Daddy's Emerald Mine". Bob, shut your trap whenever someone brings up a Eugenics Tweet or something again, because you fucking deserve it after this.

There was a place in Zambia (NOT South Africa, so it COULDN'T have been an "Apartheid" Emerald Mine") where Errol Musk got some emeralds, but it wasn't a proper mine according to Errol (Musk's Dad), but rather a place where the gems were just sticking out of the ground. No laborers there to dig a hole. It wasn't a proper "mine".

It is fun to see how these people thinks dumping good money after bad will save us from the mess that Biden passed to Trump. It isn't that the American government hired too few people; it is that it hired too many incompetent people, and they need to go.
I'd love to know how "cutting the budget" causes a plane crash, when the cut hasn't even been PROCESSED yet.
The Medicaid Website not working is the fault of the people who were hired to keep it up and running. If proper people were hired to do this, it would work. I suspect (D) sabotage from people who weren't fired (yet).

If it's Moviebob making such a claim, I'm hammering away at my X button in extreme doubt.
and it was all over "The Passion of the Christ" from 2004, when it first came out.
 
Earlier in the thread, when talking about Heavy Metal I said "gatekeeping is a retarded thing to do." Now I have to make what I consider to be a very unfortunate addendum to that statement: Gatekeeping is mostly a retarded thing to do, and unfortunately in the exception, it's extremely necessary and should be done without hesitation.

Sometimes, you have to gatekeep, because of people exactly like MovieBob and whatever dickness faggot made that shitty skeletor soymeme. They'll come into your hobby and they'll start gatekeeping based on stupid shit that has nothing to do with what makes the hobby appealing in the first place. Even worse, they'll start changing the hobby and get rid of all the things that made it good, and shit all over the things came before them and claim they "fixed" it. "Metal must be overtly anti-establishment" even if the bands just wanna make music about cool stories, deeply personal stuff, or just make fun riffs. Then, "metal must be left-wing because only the left-wing are anti-establishment, even when the entire mainstream political and cultural apparatus is 100% left-wing."

Basically, when you don't gatekeep wisely, you get fucking parasites who eviscerated the hobby and rape its corpse so they can change it from something people enjoy to yet another extension of their own narcissism.

Or, simply put, this meme:
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With metal in particular this also leads to a weird problem where the fans are so passionate about preserving what they love about the genre that they'll split everything in multiple subgenres to make sure the original "vision" stays pure, leading to absolutely absurd situations where they'll be two very specific subgernes of metal that sound exactly the same, are usually done by the same bands and even show up in the same songs switching back and forth, and when you point it out to a metal fan they'll sigh and be all like "look I get it, I really do, but I promise you there's a difference. Please don't bring it up around the wrong people because they'll start going off again."

That problem is more funny than anything, though. Way more tolerable than MovieBob's shit. It also only usually comes up when your music fucking sucks anyway. People are way less likely to dissect the specific subgenre of your song when they don't want to assign blame or quarantine it.

Minor jab at Blobby in Drinker’s newest video.

God bless this thread for introducing me to Critical Drinker. He's the Anti-MovieBob and it brings me joy. Love it when he takes potshots at Bob. So petty, so juvenile, but so richly satisfying.
 
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When was Bobby ever on TV? TV hosts laughing at his Pixels review doesn't count. As for the shirts, you can choose from three classic designs.
The more appropriate word for Bob here would be infamous. Most people who are aware of his pathetic existence only know him as either the source of the consumer meme or for his deranged posts on Twitter. Even his shitty novels get largely ignored with the exception of Brick by Brick just because it shows how much of a self-aggrandizing retard he is.
 
...Bob, the stupid fucking hypocrite who claims that "harassment websites are making shit up about him", does the same goddamn thing to Musk:
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There was a place in Zambia (NOT South Africa, so it COULDN'T have been an "Apartheid" Emerald Mine") where Errol Musk got some emeralds, but it wasn't a proper mine according to Errol (Musk's Dad), but rather a place where the gems were just sticking out of the ground. No laborers there to dig a hole. It wasn't a proper "mine".
So NO, Elon did NOT have "Daddy's Emerald Mine".
Given that Moviebob has repeatedly called Musk an inheritor of this so-called Apartheid emerald mine wthout any substantiation, does that mean Elon could potentially file legal charges against Bob (even though the chances of that happening are nanoscopic)?

Bob, shut your trap whenever someone brings up a Eugenics Tweet or something again, because you fucking deserve it after this.
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I put that video through NotebookLM, for anyone who doesn't feel like watching. Sounds like a funny video.
MovieBob, whose real name is Bob Chipman, has faced a variety of criticisms throughout his career as an online media critic. The criticisms often stem from his controversial opinions and behavior, especially on social media. One major area of critique involves his political views. While he has stated he is not aligned with any particular party and that his only affiliation is "whatever benefits him the most in the moment", his remarks have drawn fire. He has made comments that were interpreted as eugenicist, such as expressing a wish that eugenics had not been tainted by racists and Nazis, and stating that some people are "failed humans". His rhetoric was often focused on asserting his own superiority and denigrating right-wing Americans. He has also been criticized for his confrontational approach on social media, where he often picks fights and engages in name-calling.

Another point of critique is his handling of the Gamergate controversy. While he firmly sided with those who were being harassed, he has been criticized for his extreme reaction to it. He has been accused of using the movement to feed into a "Messiah Complex," and his attempts to explain the origins of Gamergate were met with ridicule. This was compounded by his departure from The Escapist, with whom he was previously aligned, amid allegations of the site's sympathy for the divisive campaign. His subsequent comments about the situation further solidified the view that he was unable to take responsibility for his part in creating the controversy.

Furthermore, his online behavior has been labeled as creepy and inappropriate by some. This came to a head when he posted a photo with fellow video essayist Lindsay Ellis, which she said was "inappropriate and creepy" as she had previously blocked him and did not want to be associated with him. He has been described as a "manchild" and "incel"

Finally, Movie Bob has been mocked and satirized due to his online persona. He was given the nickname "diabeto" by the podcast EFAP, who used him in a segment that involved quizzing listeners on whether a quote was from him or neo-nazi websites. He also became a meme called the "consoomer," which mocks him for thinking that watching comic book movies is political and for making video game reviews for movies made for children. Despite all of these criticisms and controversies, Movie Bob has remained a prominent figure in online media, most recently as a writer for the Film Theory channel.
 
God bless this thread for introducing me to Critical Drinker. He's the Anti-MovieBob and it brings me joy. Love it when he takes potshots at Bob. So petty, so juvenile, but so richly satisfying.
I know Drinker isn't everyone's cup of tea since some people find his persona grating or his videos kind of repetitive, but it really is funny how much Bobby's opposite he is. Off the top of my head:
  • Drinker has a successful YouTube channel that pretty much always gets hundreds of thousands of views per video, frequently over a million. Bob is lucky to crack five digits.
  • Drinker frequently collaborates with other movie critics on YouTube, hosting podcasts and appearing on theirs. Bob's latest collaboration was filming himself watching a bad movie with two other nobodies and adding nothing of value, and I couldn't even tell you when the previous one was since he seems allergic to the concept of doing videos with anyone else.
  • Drinker appears on news programs and other journalist outlets to discuss movies. Bob has never done anything of the sort, to my knowledge.
  • Drinker is a published author who's written a series of novels, stuff he was working on even before the whole YouTube thing kicked off. Bob's sole contribution to the written word is a laughable autobiography masquerading as a retrospective on Super Mario Bros. 3. (I'm not counting his reheated blog post compilations.)
  • Drinker has actually produced a pilot based on his novels. Bob still claims that he'll make a movie one day.
  • Drinker plays up his alcoholic persona as a bit. Bob has been a non-functional alcoholic for probably his entire adult life.
  • Drinker is generally fit, or at least an average build. Bob is fat and looks like death warmed over.
  • Drinker has hair. Bob should really give up on his.
  • Drinker is a generally happy and actually funny guy that you'd probably be fine hanging out with. Bob is an angry retard that you'd probably think was seconds away from flying into a tard rage at any time.
I'm sure there's more, but you get the picture. It's pretty much guaranteed that the only reason Bob seethes so much about him isn't because he's an anti-woke grifter chud, but because he's jealous of a guy doing everything that he wants to do. He hates any reminder that his failures are solely on him.
 
I know I am a bit late here, but how exactly is a show centered on lesbian space witches smashing the patriarchy and telling us that everything we were taught about the central beliefs of the galaxy was lies and appropriation of a subjugated culture NOT woke?
They know that the word is used derisively without understanding what it actually means, and so push back at its use without understanding how stupid they look when they do so.
Given that Moviebob has repeatedly called Musk an inheritor of this so-called Apartheid emerald mine wthout any substantiation, does that mean Elon could potentially file legal charges against Bob (even though the chances of that happening are nanoscopic)?
Well, Bob didn't come up with that accusation, much like all of his thoughts he's just parroting what others have said. Also, much like many other people who could sue Bob for slander/libel, there's nothing you can get out of it. He has nothing of worth.

Speaking of which, just checked Graphtreon. He doesn't have any new subscribers, but his money just went up. An early birthday present? I'll post a screenshot tomorrow or the day after when the monthly knockdown happens.
 
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01Feb#02
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Why shouldn't Trump?

01Feb#03
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How can Musk "force the resignation of a FAA administrator"?

01Feb#04
Unlike Trump, J. B. Pritzker has a pro-safety agenda.
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01Feb#05
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01Feb#06
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Just call it "National Children Screaming Night".

01Feb#07
Adam Schiff just call it "Friday Night Massacre".
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01Feb#08
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It is just Human Resources, a department nobody likes. I bet kneecaping HR will make the Government run better. Archive of Reuter's exclusive.

01Feb#09
Tampon Tim allows Minnesotan women to kill their babies.
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01Feb#10
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There is no such thing as "guaranteed healthcare". In places where government pays for health care, such as the Great Blighty, many people wait until they die.


01Feb#11
Democracy dies when our Summer Brat gal lost.
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01Feb#12a
Mark Cuban doesn't like to grudge wank. Bobby and co. will have none of it.
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01Feb#12b
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We just saw Bobby falling for the hoax of Trump comparing the airline industry with LoTR (31Jan#19). So, yeah, stupid people blah blah blah.


01Feb#13
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And China cannot be America's new ally why? Except that jews cannot control China?

01Feb#14
Canuckistan is acting out.
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01Feb#15
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01Feb#16
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I don't have to understand them to drive them to extinction either.


01Feb#17
Bobby stands with animators; he wants one of them fired.
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01Feb#18
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01Feb#19
Team Theory are onto the latest trend of eyelash-shaving.
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01Feb#20
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I said it before: a Bob Chipman by any other name would smell as foul.

01Feb#21
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