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[creamyfanta]

I really don't see how that argument is supposed to make sense. "He stuck with his defunct, terrible wife, so he must be terrible."... really?
He could have stayed with Barb so Chris isn't stuck with a crazy old crow. Most likely, he was just desperate for someone to share his last few years with.

Point in case: I don't see how that behaviour makes him any better or worse. It's just the way it was.

What I'm saying is that if she really was an unfaithful, evil woman who caused Bob to be estranged from his children and abused their son you'd think that if he were such a good guy he would get a clue and leave her, or at least get her some help. His inaction in and of itself is bad if she truly is as abusive as she is made out to be.

So she hit Snyder with her car. This shows to me she is unstable and insane. If Bob is sane and a good guy he should have gotten his son (Chris) out of the care of a woman who is a potential murderess. Seems to me to be very irresponsible of him to allow his child to continue to be under the care of this woman. Once again, inaction can often be worse than action.

From my knowledge he just stuck around and kind of ignored them both unless they got too obnoxious and then he stepped in and yelled a little. Barb sounds mentally ill. Bob sounds lazy and self absorbed.

But this is conjecture since we really don't know much about anyone except Christine, and 90% of what we get is through his lens.

Also, have read the CWCki. I wouldn't say I'm a chris expert but I'm definitely not a Chris novice, so that's why I'm wondering if there was some hard, solid evidence I somehow missed that's pointing to Bob being the vastly, vastly better parent.

I still think he's just got a fan base because he was so much fun when he interacted with the trolls and not because he was actually any better of a parent than Barb.

And on that note, the fact he egged the trolls on by communicating with them rather than just ignoring them (which would eventually cause trolling to cease since we all know the point is the pursuit of content) is pretty bad parenting to me. Far as I know Barb did not interact with trolls, which to me is the better choice as a parent.

 

[Coldgrip]

So she hit Snyder with her car. This shows to me she is unstable and insane. If Bob is sane and a good guy he should have gotten his son (Chris) out of the care of a woman who is a potential murderess. Seems to me to be very irresponsible of him to allow his child to continue to be under the care of this woman. Once again, inaction can often be worse than action.

Bolding mine.

Other than the Snyder incident, Barb is more a bully than actual murderess.

Have you tried reading the CWCki about her? Let me give you the link:
http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page

 

[creamyfanta]

I just reread it and nothing new stood out to me.

From what I can tell, Barb is a very mentally ill woman who is depressed and exhausted from trying to raise a very difficult autistic man child for 3 decades.

She is a hoarder who has talked about suicide. She is obese. All of that points towards extreme mental illness.

At some point she was separated from Bob for multiple years and was alone with raising Chris with no help from her family. I'm not saying she was great, but I do think she deserves more credit than she is given. I think people just love to hate Barb, but really she could have been much worse.

The way she is talked about it sounds like she would poison Chris and Bob and try to harm them as much as possible, but after this conversation and rereading her page all I get is that she is a very overwhelmed, depressed, mentally ill, and lonely person who has tried hard for years and now has basically given up.

 

[Stud2Stud]

I just reread it and nothing new stood out to me.

From what I can tell, Barb is a very mentally ill woman who is depressed and exhausted from trying to raise a very difficult autistic man child for 3 decades.

She is a hoarder who has talked about suicide. She is obese. All of that points towards extreme mental illness.

Barb might not be the Devil incarnate, but she's not a competent parent.
Bob might not have been a saint, but he's not a completely terrible parent.
It's true, Bob's endeavours mainly shine through contrast with Barbs incompetence.
That doesn't negate the fact Bob still did things somewhat competently and it certainly doesn't erase the fuckups done by her royal weston self.

At some point she was separated from Bob for multiple years and was alone with raising Chris with no help from her family. I'm not saying she was great, but I do think she deserves more credit than she is given. I think people just love to hate Barb, but really she could have been much worse.

It was the other way around. Bob moved to another county with Chris and Barb visited them on weekends. Unless I'm missing out something here, of course...
Also that's a line on their tombstone to emphasise how great a person someone was: "She could have been much worse"...

The way she is talked about it sounds like she would poison Chris and Bob and try to harm them as much as possible, but after this conversation and rereading her page all I get is that she is a very overwhelmed, depressed, mentally ill, and lonely person who has tried hard for years and now has basically given up.

I don't get this feeling at all. People talk badly about her since - surprise - she's doing and has done bad things. She enabled Chris when he was young, now she's feeding him delusions. In between, we have a mixture of malevolent, emotionally abusive behaviour, mollycuddling and laziness.

 

[Coldgrip]

I just reread it and nothing new stood out to me.

From what I can tell, Barb is a very mentally ill woman who is depressed and exhausted from trying to raise a very difficult autistic man child for 3 decades.

Who she helped mold into what he is now.

She is a hoarder who has talked about suicide. She is obese. All of that points towards extreme mental illness.

No doubt Barb is a bit nuts. But she's also a genuinely wretched person.

At some point she was separated from Bob for multiple years and was alone with raising Chris with no help from her family.

No, it was Bob who raised Chris alone, not Barb.

I'm not saying she was great, but I do think she deserves more credit than she is given. I think people just love to hate Barb, but really she could have been much worse

I think you actually haven't read the CWCki and you don't actually know who you're talking about.

Let me post the link to it for you:
http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page

Also, saying that "Well, she could of been worse so she's not that bad!!" isn't an excuse for her actions.

The way she is talked about it sounds like she would poison Chris and Bob...

She did. At least with Chris she did. Bob was just too worn out for all her b.s. to affect him anymore.

...and try to harm them as much as possible...

Barb is a manipulator. To that end as long as she gets what she wants she doesn't care about who it hurts. Like the time she was disowned from her family for trying to sleep with her sister's husband.

but after this conversation and rereading her page all I get is that she is a very overwhelmed, depressed, mentally ill, and lonely person who has tried hard for years and now has basically given up.

You really don't know who you're talking about, do you?

Wait a second, Peppy, is that you?

Edit @Stud2Stud beat me to it.

 

[Marvin]

So she hit Snyder with her car. This shows to me she is unstable and insane.

Why? Is everyone who ever commits a crime insane?

 

[XYZpdq]

Why? Is everyone who ever commits a crime insane?

Because my house is made of cool and awesome glass so I'm pretty sure I can throw stones.

 

[creamyfanta]

Edit:
I rereread the cwcki and the sentence about Chris living with Bob I had misunderstood, i apologize. My bad.

Peppy? Like Star fox Peppy?

Not everyone who commits a crime is insane. But someone who runs over a man because she is convinced he is hurting her autistic son is most likely insane, especially when it is also noted that she is a hoarder, suicidal, and obese.

If she had done something less insane than that, I wouldn't point towards her having motivations stemmed from being crazy. But running over a man because you are convinced he is a danger to your special ed son is, in my opinion, something only someone insane would do.

You guys are harder for Bob than a Chipmunk for his bounty of bananas!


As stated previously, I am not wholly condemning Bob. Nor am I pardoning Barb. All I am pointing out is that while Bob gets a very large amount of defense and forgiveness despite his equally shitty parenting Barb gets the opposite: hostility and damnation.

To me it seems that anything Bob did is spun to be with good reason, he was a nice man with good intentions, he was just old, etc. And anything Barb did (even potentially good stuff, like trying to get her mute autistic boy to talk in any way possible) is regarded as being evil and terrible parenting.

I'm just pointing out a schism between how both parents are viewed. It is not without bias and favoritism, and isn't Chris supposed to be a scientific endeavor composed of fact and not musings and feelings?

 

[Marvin]

Not everyone who commits a crime is insane. But someone who runs over a man because she is convinced he is hurting her autistic son is most likely insane, especially when it is also noted that she is a hoarder, suicidal, and obese.

If she had done something less insane than that, I wouldn't point towards her having motivations stemmed from being crazy. But running over a man because you are convinced he is a danger to your special ed son is, in my opinion, something only someone insane would do.

She's not suicidal and she's probably not obese. She didn't intentionally run over Snyder. It wasn't literally the act of running him over that was the problem. The problem was that Barb used bad judgement, put herself in the situation and failed to handle the situation properly.

As stated previously, I am not wholly condemning Bob. Nor am I pardoning Barb. All I am pointing out is that while Bob gets a very large amount of defense and forgiveness despite his equally shitty parenting Barb gets the opposite: hostility and damnation.

No one cares about the parenting. Barb herself is just a bad person.

I know Barb better than anyone on this forum. (Except maybe @Alec Benson Leary.) She's a very bad person.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

I know Barb better than anyone on this forum. (Except maybe @Alec Benson Leary.) She's a very bad person.

You tease.

 

[creamyfanta]

She's not suicidal and she's probably not obese. She didn't intentionally run over Snyder. It wasn't literally the act of running him over that was the problem. The problem was that Barb used bad judgement, put herself in the situation and failed to handle the situation properly.

No one cares about the parenting. Barb herself is just a bad person.

I know Barb better than anyone on this forum. (Except maybe @Alec Benson Leary.) She's a very bad person.

What is so bad about her?

I still don't feel I've gotten a super clear answer on this one. Not trolling just legitimately not understanding.

 

[Marvin]

What is so bad about her?

I still don't feel I've gotten a super clear answer on this one. Not trolling just legitimately not understanding.

When it comes to dealing with other people, Barb's primary concern is how they can benefit her. To some extent, it's normal to be concerned with how people affect your life, however Barb takes it to weird depths. It's particularly jarring because Barb actually has very good social skills. She can be pleasant when she wants to manipulate you in some way. But her mood can change on a dime if she decides you're not useful to her anymore. She can get aggressive and violent with people (including Chris) for pretty much no reason.

Edit: To clarify, she doesn't get physically violent that often, but it has happened. When she flips out, it's usually just verbal.

 

[Holdek]

What is so bad about her?

I still don't feel I've gotten a super clear answer on this one. Not trolling just legitimately not understanding.

Several people have expounded on this issue for you. If you want to disagree, that's your prerogative, but quit saying you don't understand why people here think what they think about Barb and Bob.

 

[creamyfanta]

When it comes to dealing with other people, Barb's primary concern is how they can benefit her. To some extent, it's normal to be concerned with how people affect your life, however Barb takes it to weird depths. It's particularly jarring because Barb actually has very good social skills. She can be pleasant when she wants to manipulate you in some way. But her mood can change on a dime if she decides you're not useful to her anymore. She can get aggressive and violent with people (including Chris) for pretty much no reason.

Edit: To clarify, she doesn't get physically violent that often, but it has happened. When she flips out, it's usually just verbal.

Thank you, that clarifies that. None of the other "answers" provided much more than "omg you're stupid read the cwcki Barb sucks trollolol."

So in fact it is not her direct actions but more her manipulative and abusive demeanor. This I can understand.

Thanks for not calling me autistic or dumb for just asking a simple question, @Marvin !
Edit: oh I guess you did

How often did you engage with her? I have seen the pickle suit videos where Emily is picked up by you, but I didn't know you had direct contact. Was she rude to your or pleasant?

I still think that she has some significant mental illness that is influencing her bad behavior, not that that is an excuse but more a reason.

The large divide between the ratings on my posts in this thread make me think I should make Team Barb and Team Bob shirts!

LET THE DUMB AND AUTISTIC RATINGS FLOOOOWWW!!!!

 

[BillRiley]

Thank you, that clarifies that. None of the other "answers" provided much more than "omg you're stupid read the cwcki Barb sucks trollolol."

Welcome to the Cwcki!

How often did you engage with her? I have seen the pickle suit videos where Emily is picked up by you, but I didn't know you had direct contact. Was she rude to your or pleasant?

It's boring and you wouldn't be interested and you're stupid for even asking.

I still think that she has some significant mental illness that is influencing her bad behavior, not that that is an excuse but more a reason.

Just having produced a trainwreck like Chris-Tran is evidence enough that Barb is utterly batshit.

 

[Yawning Asperchu]

The large divide between the ratings on my posts in this thread make me think I should make Team Barb and Team Bob shirts!

LET THE DUMB AND AUTISTIC RATINGS FLOOOOWWW!!!!

Team Christine has a helluva ring to it.

Edit: Team Christine being for those who think both parents were screwed up.

 

[Marvin]

Thank you, that clarifies that. None of the other "answers" provided much more than "omg you're stupid read the cwcki Barb sucks trollolol."

So in fact it is not her direct actions but more her manipulative and abusive demeanor. This I can understand.

Thanks for not calling me autistic or dumb for just asking a simple question, @Marvin !
Edit: oh I guess you did

Barb's pretty notorious for being a shitty person. It seemed to me (and other people) that you were deliberately being obtuse, hence the autistic ratings.

How often did you engage with her? I have seen the pickle suit videos where Emily is picked up by you, but I didn't know you had direct contact. Was she rude to your or pleasant?

I haven't spoken to Barb myself. Most of my interactions with the Chandlers were behind the scenes.

Catie met Barb on the Chris date. She said that Barb was very pleasant.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

The only reason I'm on team Bob comes from Chrissy's past mouthings.

He used to complain a lot about Bob picking fights with him and arguing all the time with him. Now if we run that through the Chris-trans Austismu to English translator it tells us the Bob routinely tried to get Chrissy to do things he didn't want to. And it's pretty easy to guess that those things were such as get a job, do chores, clean up his room and other such details.

That's pretty much the only reason I will cut ole Bobby some slack. At least he tried, he hit Chris a job at Wendy's, he made him work around the house and I will bet he was the one who negotiated friends for Chrissy.

He might not have been a great Dad, but he did try.

 

[Yawning Asperchu]

Catie met Barb on the Chris date. She said that Barb was very pleasant.

She also had some funny lines about Barb using "a mask of normalcy" and being a "violent"..."cantankerous old harpy" though lol...but I think that's all that was; funny lines.

 

[creamyfanta]

Barb's pretty notorious for being a shitty person. It seemed to me (and other people) that you were deliberately being obtuse, hence the autistic ratings.

I haven't spoken to Barb myself. Most of my interactions with the Chandlers were behind the scenes.

Catie met Barb on the Chris date. She said that Barb was very pleasant.

Nah not deliberately so. Although I may have been playing some devil's advocate since it seems some kiwis get their panties very twisty when their love for Bob is confronted. Perhaps the autistic ratings were deserved? Or maybe I'm just another dang dirty troll.

I'm on Team Christine. Man someone make shirts please!