Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

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i'm a spacetard with zero knowledge about any of this, sorry for shitting up the thread, but is this expected of a potential 'good' outcome, or is this bad?
I think it means it has committed to re-entry with no abort possible, and I believe comms always go down during that phase as it's hard to maintain comms when your hull is glowing.

So unless they're tracking it on radarr and see an explosion, there will be little news for four hours
 
I find it scary how Boeing just stopped caring about safety and their reputation in the pursuit of money. I know its easy to say "well, duh, capitalism bad. Capitalists bad", but I don't think I've ever seen something like this before. In the modern day, when captialists stop caring about their product, their already slop food starts to taste worse, movies start to get bad and what not. This kind of negligence is like something out of the 19th century.
 
I find it scary how Boeing just stopped caring about safety and their reputation in the pursuit of money. I know its easy to say "well, duh, capitalism bad. Capitalists bad", but I don't think I've ever seen something like this before. In the modern day, when captialists stop caring about their product, their already slop food starts to taste worse, movies start to get bad and what not. This kind of negligence is like something out of the 19th century.
it's a real working man's consumer neglect. i respect it.

I'm guessing the friction from reentry produces too much EMI so comms go down.
I think it means it has committed to re-entry with no abort possible, and I believe comms always go down during that phase as it's hard to maintain comms when your hull is glowing.

So unless they're tracking it on radarr and see an explosion, there will be little news for four hours
makes a lot of sense. i hadn't really considered that the heat would interfere with communications, shows my ignorance of the topic. thanks for the info.
 
i'm a spacetard with zero knowledge about any of this, sorry for shitting up the thread, but is this expected of a potential 'good' outcome, or is this bad?
What others have said. Once a vehicle enters terminal reentry communication is impossible due to the fact that the vehicle is surrounded by highly charged radiation and fucking fire as it begins slowing. Reentry vehicles always do the skimming method that has them shoot around the earth and use the friction of the atmosphere as a literal brake. This means the vehicle will orbit the earth a few times as it slows down in the upper atmosphere at its reentry angle. If they attempted a deep plunge straight down they would be incinerated instantly because math is fun and the laws of thermodynamics are laws of physics.

This is also why its preferred for the vehicles to be piloted by humans for this, because a human can look at the altimeter and make the micro adjustments necessary. The forces at work here are so extreme even a minor deviation could cause instant failure of the vehicle.
 
If it touches down Boeing will try to paint NASA as unfairly fucking them over.

If it explodes Boeings space section will be a joke for anything space related.

Either way Elon is laughing his ass off at both of them major SpaceX W and regardless of outcome I'm pretty sure NASA will be turning to him more rather than Boeing.
Oh no Thunderf00t bros Elon wins again.
I can't wait to hear his cope over this, if SpaceX gets a major contract. His next video is going to be him with steam coming out of his ears and jumping up and down having a tantrum.
 
I find it scary how Boeing just stopped caring about safety and their reputation in the pursuit of money. I know its easy to say "well, duh, capitalism bad. Capitalists bad", but I don't think I've ever seen something like this before. In the modern day, when captialists stop caring about their product, their already slop food starts to taste worse, movies start to get bad and what not. This kind of negligence is like something out of the 19th century.
Seems pretty typical to me. Your business peaks at what it's capable of achieving realistically but instead of accepting that the line has gone up as much as it can investors start demanding insane shit. Purges happen, management changes, cuts to costs, and before you know it all the people who got the company to that point and have been maintaining it there are gone. Shit falls apart company begins to collapse and becomes a zombie only surviving off of it's past of being formerly competent and good at whatever they do.
 
Boeing just stopped caring about safety and their reputation in the pursuit of money.
i don't think thats true though, i think they just can't figure out the problem shrugged and moved on. Because no one at boeing understood why a white male boomer couldn't be replaced by a sheboon and have the exact same output and can't explain why quality has gone down massively without getting fired they just shrug and move on. ask any boomer "consultants" their job is easy because they know what they're doing, their replacements at the job don't know what they're doing so they're fucked.

It reminds me of something i argued about in school, in the working world you aren't graded on performance but completion, so its bullshit to grade students on it, of course the teacher would go on about "quality" but then i'd get sent to the principal's office for asking if her ex-husband would give her an A+ on parenting. Moving on, the point stands that 99% of problems happening in the 20s and even before that is that we're replacing some white male who always tried to give 110% with some DEI faggot who only gives 20% at best because that's all that's been expected of them.

Anytime they're expected to be held to a standard they cry racist because it genuinely must feel like bigotry when the standard is so impossible for them, It would be literally kafka-esque to be told to stop a noise that's been happening all your life and you have no way of discovering the source of. But if you're a white person, that's just being asked to change a smoke detector's battery.

its like how IQ tests don't explain why the white male, especially in america is still able to outdo anyone with better test scores or credentials at almost any given job. Its because its not just intelligence, but effort and care and dedication. the same way white women didn't want fat asses until they were told it was attractive and suddenly they all started squatting or how white women never knew how to dance but suddenly picked it up real quick once it was the easy way to get attention on tiktok. Its an inante "man vs self" spirit that explains why a white guy could be a cook at dennys or an ATC and have the same level of stress meanwhile a black woman will treat being responsible for two jets colliding with the same "who gives a shit" attitude they would if they were told they got someone's McNugget order wrong.

Boeing, especially because of it being an engineering and aerospace company had the best of the best whites working there, but DEI eventually let the quality slip, but because of HR and the typical boomer "i don't see color" mentality this quality slip is for some unknown reason, so they just have to shrug and move on. They won't be able to discover the solution because deep down they don't want to. Which is crazy because if you take the human element out of it, it should be obvious. the skill ceiling of whites is a lot more than you'll ever see out of the types of DEI picks you see today, but instead of allowing that to influence the jobs or forcing HR to stop being such cunts they allow HR to destroy the company.

Its actually sort of crazy because there are at least a few companies that understand, i worked at one awhile back that made sure all the "entry level" jobs were full of DEI to keep shareholders happy but the real jobs where they actually expected results was exclusively aryan with only a handful of taken asians, you could tell the boss understood the assignment too because the whites were all "born in a military base in africa" or "parents worked in mexico" and could therefore "trick" the civil rights bullshit.

Because Boeing never accounted for the type of worker that "triple checks off the clock" just to make sure the job was up to his standard and would work through their lunch break because of their own initiative when they had their top quality they didn't realize they needed that when that employee was replaced by a diversity hire who leaves right at 5.
 
In the modern day, when captialists stop caring about their product, their already slop food starts to taste worse, movies start to get bad and what not. This kind of negligence is like something out of the 19th century.
The consequences of deliberate corner cutting leading to the deaths of innocents is... a fine and a few settled lawsuits. Why should the executives and management care? The fines don't come out of their pockets and if a company fires them they just hire on somewhere else. Unless company leadership starts being held responsible for organizational failings there's no incentive to improve, only to make as much money as possible

It's also an issue with the corporate capture of the federal government. Our representatives would rather see tens of thousands of Americans dead before Boeing stops being able to generously donate to their political campaigns
 
More importantly, Boeing is in the business of delivering results based upon fundamental rules of nature. There is no room for post modern reinterpretation of the stress required on a vehicle in terminal reentry of earth atmosphere.
For a long time things were built with such high safety margins, that there is a big window where things get by with hopes and dreams before fully imploding.
 
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The consequences of deliberate corner cutting leading to the deaths of innocents is... a fine and a few settled lawsuits. Why should the executives and management care? The fines don't come out of their pockets and if a company fires them they just hire on somewhere else. Unless company leadership starts being held responsible for organizational failings there's no incentive to improve, only to make as much money as possible
I think it says a lot that, while this is the case for all of the corporate elites, Boeing is the only company that obviously got people killed for nothing more than greedy corner cutting. At least, as far as I know that's the case.
 
Starliner has entered terminal reentry. Contact lost. Awaiting reconnect.


No connection with vehicle. Autonomous mode engaged. Contact should be reestablished in New Mexico space port, with landing at 21:54 Local, which is 9:54 PM MST, 11:54 EST, and 3:54 AM GMT
Isn't re-entry only supposed to last a few minutes? At least the bit where comms are unavailable? It's been a good long while now since they lost contact.
 
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