Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

It's India, of course it would be pilot error! it's a life hack to get a massive POOP cloud.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker 2.0]

First total loss of a dreamliner. Very weird crash, the footage from the runway and that other video of it gliding down suggest complete loss of power right after takeoff and the RAT deployed. Didn't see birds or any other obvious sign of engine problems on the runway footage. Pilots are commenting that the flaps look correct and if the takeoff config wasn't set properly the alarms in the cockpit would have been screaming at them the entire time. Guess we'll just have to wait for some data from the flight recorders.

If it's truth and both engines did fail, it is incredibly rare and creepy happening.

 

[Sam Losco]

From the one video you can hear engine noise so doesn't seem like engine failure. The flaps appear to be up though which would be bad for takeoff. But the systems should have been alarming if the flaps were up so..

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Bad news for Boeing again. People are pointing out the airplane used the entire length of the runway before wheels up. That might or might not be important.

 

[Sam Losco]

Bad news for Boeing again. People are pointing out the airplane used the entire length of the runway before wheels up. That might or might not be important.

Another sign of incorrect flaps position. Think the pajeets flying forgot to put the flaps down.

 

[Google.com]

I stole a bunch of media from https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ahmed...ely-on-board-ahmedabad-airport-closed.221634/ for easy viewing.

 

[Sam Losco]

Ok, changing my opinion. Watched a view of a 787 takeoff and the flap down position for takeoff is barely noticeable.
Also watched a video of a RAT deployed and the engine noise in the India video could be the RAT. It's hard to tell if it's deployed in low quality video but it does look like something is hanging below.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

My honest guess is improper T.O. config, over capacity, lack of flaps and WAY way under speed.

Amazing how sanjeep will still cause a massive crash with the fucking plane screaming at you before you even take off.

Can't engineer away stupidity I guess.

 

[Betonhaus]

Restart the Clock. Boeing 787 goes down in India. No survivors.

I'm pretty confident it's Indian incompetence and not Boeing incompetence.

 

[mindlessobserver]

There are 3 completely independent airspeed systems and unreliable airspeed checklist calls for the plane to be pitched up and set to a power level which will maintain climb without causing a stall. Still pilot error, I am going all in.

My counter argument. Boeings stupid computer program thought it was landing instead of taking off, so it overrode the pilots and deployed the flaps right as the plane left the ground and started gaining altitude causing a stall out. Source, it came to me in a dream. But given Boeing's record with their "pilot assistance" software, Its more likely then both engines failed on takeoff for no reason.

 

[Google.com]

If there was a dual engine failure I am wondering if it was caused by fuel contamination. Some poojeets are claiming birds but the takeoff video clearly doesn't show any birds. I was curious if there had been any construction projects recently but poojeet airports don't seem to have great public records and I didn't see anything in the Notams.

My counter argument. Boeings stupid computer program thought it was landing instead of taking off, so it overrode the pilots and deployed the flaps right as the plane left the ground and started gaining altitude causing a stall out. Source, it came to me in a dream. But given Boeing's record with their "pilot assistance" software, Its more likely then both engines failed on takeoff for no reason.

I do recall there was a Turksih airlines 737 NG variant that had a consistent issue that maintenance never figured out where the radio altimeter would randomly read -8ft, this would cause the autopilot to flare and reduce power for landing. The pilots on one flight failed to notice or correctly respond to the stall causing the aircraft to crash.

I don't think any aircraft can actually operate it's flaps without pilot input.

 

[lichen]

My counter argument. Boeings stupid computer program thought it was landing instead of taking off, so it overrode the pilots and deployed the flaps right as the plane left the ground and started gaining altitude causing a stall out. Source, it came to me in a dream. But given Boeing's record with their "pilot assistance" software, Its more likely then both engines failed on takeoff for no reason.

The Dreamliner has been flying since like 2011, wikipedia says there were 1.5m flights by 2018 and I assume that's at least 5m by now. If the pilot assistance was going to kill an entire planeload because it got completely turned around on whether the flight would be taking off or landing it feels like the kind of thing that would have happened sooner.

I happily threw some more money in to boeing stock this morning. It's treated me well in recent months and it seems highly likely that this is going to be a pilot or airline problem instead of a Boeing problem. It's a relatively safe gamble.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I happily threw some more money in to boeing stock this morning. It's treated me well in recent months and it seems highly likely that this is going to be a pilot or airline problem instead of a Boeing problem. It's a relatively safe gamble.

Well its safe enough for sure, because Boeing has no moral hazard. They know all their losses will be papered over with tax money given to them at no cost. All their planes could fall from the sky and nothing will happen to their market share because the American people will be pillaged to pay for all their losses. Lets just hope that if this goes on we'll accept repayment in the form of the heads of Boeings board of directors. And I do mean that in the Sam Hyde sense of "No, in real life".

 

[Google.com]

I wanted to share what I said in the other thread here too, since I think it is very relevant.

I would also like to note that the aircraft used is Line Number 26, the 787 had a completely fucked production line, all aircraft up to line number 22 were built so poorly they required reinforcements in multiple areas increasing the weight and significantly reducing range giving them the nickname "Terrible Teens" forcing Boeing to sell them at discount to shitty airlines like Air India which operates some of these 787's. While 26 is outside of the range this is way before Boeing improved(they never fixed) the 787's awful build quality. Some 787's with these early line numbers have had horrifically bad issues such as the fire extinguisher handles being wires to the wrong engine and tools sealed inside the walls of the aircraft.

 

[AnOminous]

Restart the Clock. Boeing 787 goes down in India. No survivors.

Hard to know whether it was the plane or typical jeet mechanical ability.

Amazing how sanjeep will still cause a massive crash with the fucking plane screaming at you before you even take off.

I wouldn't be surprised if the jeets disabled the alarms because the noise was annoying them.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

My counter argument.

Counter counter argument.
Per the FAA the majority of all accidents are pilot error, and the rest are some other kind of human error.
The likelihood of it being the plane itself from a design standpoint is very small.
*Especially* since its pajeets were talking about

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

My counter argument. Boeings stupid computer program thought it was landing instead of taking off, so it overrode the pilots and deployed the flaps right as the plane left the ground and started gaining altitude causing a stall out. Source, it came to me in a dream. But given Boeing's record with their "pilot assistance" software, Its more likely then both engines failed on takeoff for no reason.

I'm betting on a middle ground option; the 787 had a software update that changed something important in the takeoff configuration of the aircraft which was known but not properly explained and trained for in pilots. The 737 MAX takeoff situation all over again. That's my bet.

highly likely that this is going to be a pilot or airline problem instead of a Boeing problem

SIR THAT 787 WAS A DALIT PLANE SIR.

 

[geckogoy]

I'm pretty confident it's Indian incompetence and not Boeing incompetence.

Boeing has been trying to move engineering to india for a while

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm betting on a middle ground option; the 787 had a software update that changed something important in the takeoff configuration of the aircraft which was known but not properly explained and trained for in pilots. The 737 MAX takeoff situation all over again. That's my bet.

Which underscores a more important problem. The surrendering of Skill and Ability to computers to do the job for humans. If someone does not have the ability to fly an aircraft, to feel the movements of the vessel beneath him, to hear the sounds of its engines, to understand at a reflexive level what the aircraft is doing from its vibrations, then they should not be a pilot. These computers are offering value only in the sense that they can make "anyone" be a pilot because at the end of the day its computer flying the vessel rather then the human. Which means the airlines don't have to pay for skill. They could put a chimpanzee in the cockpit and nothing would change.

In theory.

But everyone forgot a computer is only as smart as its inputs. And when the computer is also programmed by chimps in the name of cost cutting efficiency, the only result is not only is the pilot a chimpanzee, the computer is too. So everyone on the aircraft dies.

 

[AnOminous]

Which means the airlines don't have to pay for skill. They could put a chimpanzee in the cockpit and nothing would change.

It'd beat putting a jeet there.