Borderlands (1, 2, 3, The Pre-Sequel, TftB)

For anyone who gives a shit about my opinion, I played the game like a garbage person. Here’s some spoilers:

The new villains are basically the equivalent of abrasive Twitch streamers - Tyreen and Troy Calypso.

Lilith gets her powers hella stolen by Tyreen.

Maya dies in an uninspired fashion halfway through the game.

Troy gets killed and Ava, Maya’s clone, ahem, apprentice gets her powers and becomes a Siren.

Fast forward, Tyreen becomes the Destroyer and becomes a lazier version of The Warrior 2.0.

Lilith becomes the moon or some shit and Ava is the new Commander of the Raiders.

Oh, and Tannis, becomes a fucking Siren too.

I weep for this franchise’s storytelling. Lots of quality of life updates in terms of gameplay tho
 
Anyone actually playing this? If you could give your thoughts on how 3 turned out I'd much appreciate it.

I trust a Farms user way more than any journalist or pissed off metacritic reviewers.
A friend of mine got it for ps4 and he was pretty disappointed overall. The game drops frames like no other, textures occasionally pop out of their layers, you visibly see enemies spawn in sometimes, and in general was ported horribly. Gameplay is mostly a retread of 2 with a few minor improvements, but no real innovation. The VA's that Randy replaced for this game are also pretty 'meh' compared to the old ones.

My personal opinion, if you still really want to play it then wait for Epic exclusivity to run out and then get it on Steam later. I wouldn't recommend spending $60 right now for the risk of getting lagged out on a menu for ps4, or not even launching the game on Epic's launcher.
 
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Shit people got sick of 2 years ago. It's like Burch never left.
 
For anyone who gives a shit about my opinion, I played the game like a garbage person. Here’s some spoilers:

The new villains are basically the equivalent of abrasive Twitch streamers - Tyreen and Troy Calypso.

Lilith gets her powers hella stolen by Tyreen.

Maya dies in an uninspired fashion halfway through the game.

Troy gets killed and Ava, Maya’s clone, ahem, apprentice gets her powers and becomes a Siren.

Fast forward, Tyreen becomes the Destroyer and becomes a lazier version of The Warrior 2.0.

Lilith becomes the moon or some shit and Ava is the new Commander of the Raiders.

Oh, and Tannis, becomes a fucking Siren too.

I weep for this franchise’s storytelling. Lots of quality of life updates in terms of gameplay tho

Well that is... all pretty shit.

What about the other returning characters/ possibly returning characters? Mordecai, Brick, Tiny Tina... and do the other BL2 vault hunters (Axton, Salvador, Gaige, Krieg) get any love? I know I saw Zer0 and Rhys in a trailer a while back... how are they in the game?

Oh, and of course Moxxy and Marcus... anything about them?
 
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Well that is... all pretty shit.

What about the other returning characters/ possibly returning characters? Mordecai, Brick, Tiny Tina... and do the other BL2 vault hunters (Axton, Salvador, Gaige, Krieg) get any love? I know I saw Zer0 and Rhys in a trailer a while back... how are they in the game?

Oh, and of course Moxxy and Marcus... anything about them?

Tiny Tina, Brick, and Mordy have their own fort on Pandora, and were seen on one mission on Eden-6, the third planet. I think they have their own side missions, but I blazed through the story real quick.

No mention of the BL2 Vault Hunters with the exception of Zer0, who works for Rhys... who so happens to the CEO for a newly reformed ATLAS. Oh, and I think Zer0’s subtly in love with Lorelei, some dangerhair tranny you see early in game.

Tbh, they’re probably gonna end up in some DLC or something.
 
I've been quiet due to the Farms repeatedly going down, but I'll pipe up for this shit. There are three reasons I did not care about the Pre-Sequel:

The first is that they could barely keep the characterization within Borderlands 2 intact without fucking it up (Axton being my favorite case, since the audio logs showing he was married are something Burchy Boy likes to pretend don't exists). That's on top of characters from BL1 they fucked up in BL2 because fuck you, that's why.

Second, did you see how awful BL2's balance was at the end? Holy shit. Let me put it in numbers so you can understand: the amount of XP needed to reach lv 72 is 9520933. To put that in perspective, it takes 3429728 XP to reach lv 50 (the original cap) and getting to lv 61 takes 5985086 XP (the first expanded cap). Essentially, if you started a new character in BL2 at the exact same time you started getting a level 61 character up to level 72, and ground them at the same time, you'd be level 57 on the alt before you were halfway to level 72. And don't even get me fucking started on what this does to enemy healthbars. Fucking Gearbox was wondering why shit like rocket jumping out of the arena and going after Raid bosses from places they couldn't possibly retaliate from was a thing? Jesus.

Lastly: why the fuck would I give a shit about a game centered around a group of unlikable pricks I justifiably saturated with Slag and emptied mag after mag of Vladof rifle fire into? Wilhelm was barely a character. Jack's ex was an unlikable cunt. I murdered both of them without a sliver of remorse and would do so in a second again because they were fucking unlikable assholes. Jack was the worst of all of them, because someone at Gearbox clearly thought he was a great villain. I found him fucking obnoxious at best and an argument for the expansion of the second amendment at worst, and throughout the entire game I was struck not by how powerful or influential or intimidating this asshat was, but instead was repeatedly asking why the sugar-frosted fuck my Hunter never invested in a fucking spam filter for his comms device. He was a petulent, abusive, spiteful shit who clearly was someone's special snowflake villain character and the image of his ragdoll catapulting into the middle distance from a Torgue quad-barrel Shotgun at point blank range is one that continues to ease my sleep at night. I don't give a shit that he may have had complicated motivations or in his youth saved an orphanage full of puppies or something; he was the worst problem with BL2's narrative and I felt richer for the franchise having lost him. Especially with how bad he was allowed to break the rules of the setting (ignoring Roland's shield, and not provoking aggro from Roland's turret, and indeed, my turret in the same fucking cutscene. Bonus for Roland being inside the fucking bubble shield of my turret for maximum retardation).
 
Ok so
Why did they make Tannis a siren? I have friends that bought the game and they'll probably take their time with it. But I really wonder how they're going to work with that? It kind (???) of makes sense considering her obsession with Pandora and Eridians, sirens being heavily connected with such, would be great for her research if she herself is one.
Seems really random. Also why the fuck would you make a teenager the leader of your fucking army?!

Should we link the ending videos here? Obviously under a spoiler.
 
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Ok so
Why did they make Tannis a siren? I have friends that bought the game and they'll probably take their time with it. But I really wonder how they're going to work with that? It kind (???) of makes sense considering her obsession with Pandora and Eridians, sirens being heavily connected with such, would be great for her research if she herself is one.
Seems really random. Also why the fuck would you make a teenage a lear of your fucking army?!

Should we link the ending videos here? Obviously under a spoiler.
please do so
 
I was also annoyed throughout BL2 as well, though the gameplay was solid. Frankly, the Borderlands brand of humor isn't my cup of tea.
I started my first playthrough maybe a month ago and found most of the NPC’s to be completely insufferable. I couldn’t really buy them as real characters. Also, I guess this is just a nitpick about RPG’s in general but respawning minibosses and certain failable quests you can just endlessly retry really took me out of the game - though I mean the player character can endlessly respawn too so I guess it’s only fair for the bosses to do the same.

By far my biggest issue is how fucking unbalanced some of the characters are. I started as Zer0 but just couldn’t get the hang of the game because he’s so fucking fragile, so I switched over to Maya, who’s way more fun to play single-player... until I unlocked Cloudkill which combined with phase lock and status effects can pretty much one-shot any standard enemy and makes quick work of the story bosses. I literally accidentally killed Wilhelm in like the first 30 seconds of the fight and was left wondering if he was supposed to go down that easily.

After that point I switched back to Zer0 and leveled up some melee abilities, but melee builds turn out to be completely unviable against bosses because you’ll never get close enough to hit them without dying.

Like Zer0 would benefit from a tier-1 lifesteal ability (say, on melee kills or action skill kills) way more than Maya. I wanna play him as a killer melee ninja but boss fights are just stupid grinds if I don’t optimize as a sniper instead.
 
Knew this shit would happen after they patched ads to preorder 3 all over the title screens on the Handsome Collection. It was an amazing display of both stupidity and scumbagery which pretty much sums up everything Gearbox has done with Borderlands 3.

Played the hell out of Borderlands 2. Would never defend the writing but maybe put more hours into 2 then any other game last gen. They had to work their ass off to convince me not to buy this game but they somehow did it.
 
Ok so
Why did they make Tannis a siren? I have friends that bought the game and they'll probably take their time with it. But I really wonder how they're going to work with that? It kind (???) of makes sense considering her obsession with Pandora and Eridians, sirens being heavily connected with such, would be great for her research if she herself is one.
Seems really random. Also why the fuck would you make a teenager the leader of your fucking army?!

Should we link the ending videos here? Obviously under a spoiler.

Autistic rant incoming!


I’m an ardent fan of Borderlands, but damn, the story telling is fucking putrid. The writers wrote themselves into an even deeper hole.


Hot take: I think Tannis becoming a Siren is lazy fucking story telling. How the hell is the narrative team going to address that? Tannis having powers is fucking terrifying. It’s already established that Tannis operates on morals far outside the human norm. Who’s to say she’s not going to up and ditch the Raiders when another corporation offers her more cash for her research? Some point after BL2, Tannis inherits Angel’s power. I think its stated in the collectible Eridian writings that Sirens can pass on their powers to new successors.

But then it decides to contradict itself, because its inferred that the Calypso Twins were born with Siren powers. JFC, pick a narrative and stick with it, Gearbox.

Personally, I find the villains’ background story far more interesting, and how they impact the history of Sirens as a whole. It’s why Troy, a male, has partly inherited his powers in part to being a twin to a female. He’s like a glitch in the system that fucks with the rule of Six. His character is fairly interesting to me. He has an obvious inferiority complex to his sister, and it seemed like the setup was that he was going to betray her, or something... Hell, his boss fight was harder than Tyreen’s.

As for Ava aka mini-Maya becoming Commander, I dunno what the FUCK they were thinking. I guess they were trying to show that Maya was intending to pass on the metaphorical torch and that she knew Ava was ready?



That was long winded jesus
 
Hot take: BL2's manufacturer gimmicks and unique weapons made the gunplay objectively worse than the first game.
Oh yeah, that’s another thing that threw me for a major loop having previously played only bog-standard linear FPS with a set number of weapons. I feel like I spend at least a quarter of my playtime comparing, buying and selling guns.

Honestly the way it was set up, the game made me wish for a crafting/deconstruction system of some sort where you can disassemble weapons for parts and then construct your own. We can even add in a minigame for gun deconstruction (something along the lines of hacking in Bioshock) to make rare components harder to successfully harvest, and then balance weapon bonuses around that.
 
Oh yeah, that’s another thing that threw me for a major loop having previously played only bog-standard linear FPS with a set number of weapons. I feel like I spend at least a quarter of my playtime comparing, buying and selling guns.

Honestly the way it was set up, the game made me wish for a crafting/deconstruction system of some sort where you can disassemble weapons for parts and then construct your own. We can even add in a minigame for gun deconstruction (something along the lines of hacking in Bioshock) to make rare components harder to successfully harvest, and then balance weapon bonuses around that.

The absolute worst part of it all was, you have no way of knowing except by memorization just what part was the right manufacturer. Each time you get a new possible upgrade, you have to pull up some fucking wiki to figure out whether or not the weapon was worth keeping or complete trash due to a stupid part mismatch. It's absolutely a fun idea in theory, but without some way to mitigate the massive prayers to RNGesus, it just becomes tedious and frustrating.

And don't even get me started on the inability to skip dialogue. Nothing emphasizes all the sour points of Burch's writing like having to listen to it, uninterrupted, EVERY SINGLE TIME you play through the campaign in a game that's designed around playing the campaign multiple times. There's a reason I find it hard to enjoy farming weapons like the game wants me to do. The unfunny humor is bad enough, but then the game makes the mistake of thinking it has a serious narrative with serious ideas and gives you these sappy drama sections. It says something that by the end of it, the intentionally annoying robot is the least annoying character in the game.

And this game is supposed to be story driven?
 
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