Boy how times have changed...

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Pointless Pedant said:
The bigger problem with Occupy is that it didn't have any clear and specific demands. No Democratic congress critter could run on Occupy platform, because there wasn't really one other than a general desire for increased banking regulation. People like Sanders and AOC did run on similar platforms a few years later, but only once organisations like the DSA had actually made a formal platform for these proposals.
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True, Occupy was too decentralized because it started out very "big tent" and nobody had a clear and specific goal, which is why it collapsed so quickly and why I think it was quickly infiltrated and coopted into the wider Woke Left of today. The AOC and DSA platforms is the same as the OWS one in its final moments after most of the actual working and middle class jumped ship and moved on
 
Syaoran Li said:
True, Occupy was too decentralized because it started out very "big tent" and nobody had a clear and specific goal, which is why it collapsed so quickly and why I think it was quickly infiltrated and coopted into the wider Woke Left of today. The AOC and DSA platforms is the same as the OWS one in its final moments after most of the actual working and middle class jumped ship and moved on
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The whole "Democrats would be right-wing in Europe!" nonsense started because back in the 2000s there weren't many far-left Democrats in Congress and the party was represented by centrists like Obama. The momentum from Occupy carried on to getting "The Squad" and Sanders to be household names, at which point saying that they're actually centrists became untenable. Biden, at the centrist end of the party, will end up deeply at odds with them.
 
Syaoran Li said:
True, Occupy was too decentralized because it started out very "big tent" and nobody had a clear and specific goal, which is why it collapsed so quickly and why I think it was quickly infiltrated and coopted into the wider Woke Left of today. The AOC and DSA platforms is the same as the OWS one in its final moments after most of the actual working and middle class jumped ship and moved on
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The Tea Party had the same problem on the right, and the alt right after them. The Tea Party, which started as an effort to unite everyone who opposed Obamacare, turned into a group for boomers to American Revolution LARP and share conspiracy theories before they moved on to Q-anon, while the alt right eventually got co-opted entirely by its white nationalist wing, just like OWS did with ancoms.

Grassroots movements have had a unity vs broad appeal problem for forever. They work best when focused on a single, highly specific goal that lots of different people can agree on. That's sort of the reason for Donald Trump's success. "Elect the candidate who will upset the Republican status quo, or the political status quo in general" was the goal in this case.
 
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Early snapshot of kiwifar ms (November 20, 2014):
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'member jace?
 
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the change happened because null was wanting to grow the site back in 2018 and started to interacted with those who are now 'internet famous' cows, particularly rekieta, ralph, and dick. Their fanbases are like a bad fungal infection. During the stream.me era, null was always happy about the site growing and would talk about how there were constantly records being broken regarding active users and site traffic. He doesn't talk about that anymore and I think he realized this was a mistake.

Also, the christchurch shooting being hosted is a huge factor in the culture shift. It was a dog whistle for every free speech absolutist that you could possibly shake a stick at.

That's really the only explanation for the political spergery rising up and infesting other areas of the site.
 
PESTPOOM said:
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the change happened because null was wanting to grow the site back in 2018 and started to interacted with those who are now 'internet famous' cows, particularly rekieta, ralph, and dick. Their fanbases are like a bad fungal infection. During the stream.me era, null was always happy about the site growing and would talk about how there were constantly records being broken regarding active users and site traffic. He doesn't talk about that anymore and I think he realized this was a mistake.

Also, the christchurch shooting being hosted is a huge factor in the culture shift. It was a dog whistle for every free speech absolutist that you could possibly shake a stick at.

That's really the only explanation for the political spergery rising up and infesting other areas of the site.
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I blame Jim.

Him getting cancer is proof.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The Revolutions of 1848 were one of those perfect storm occurrences and the 1989 Autumn of Nations hinged on a domino effect that resulted from the Soviet Union's terminal decline.

When you think about it, 1989 and 2011's sweeping waves of revolutions were both freak perfect storms that usually hinged on a specific X-factor or black swan event such as the decline of a superpower or the rise of social media.

Tunisia started in 2010 but IIRC, it was late into the year and the bulk of the Arab Spring was in 2011 and 2012 and during Occupy, people pointed out the direct parallels between OWS and the Arab Spring because of social media.

I've kind of got a pet theory about the Woke Left becoming as powerful as they are because the corporate establishment was worried enough about Occupy that they decided to coopt it and have a whole new stable of useful idiots.

Obviously, I don't think the bigwigs felt Occupy would get as bloody as the Arab Spring did but they did see it as a threat when it first emerged.

I'd consider the 2019 revolutions in Algeria and Sudan to be separate from the Arab Spring but that's just me
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I and many others here agree with the occupy bit.

You said youre liberal again. Well to explain my view is I think the current situation requires new ways of thinking. Any ideal you can think of is an outdated solution. Ever seen idiotacrcy? Where the main guy tried to get people to water crops? And all they did was respond was "but thats what plants crave?"

Thats the situation right now. People need to be shook up so that new and unprecedented ways of thinking can seep in. Cause what we got now aint working
 
I miss when this site was a smaller and more tightly knit community. It was probably one of the very few sites where I didn't feel out of place.

Past few years things have been declining a bit. And now we have a bunch of doom posters and conspiracy theorists worrying about things that may or may not even happen. Not that I entirely blame how they feel, but it just gets kinda exhausting, especially with everything else going on right now.

Now with talks of the site potentially shutting down, I don't know what to feel. I just look back and remember most of the users that used to frequent here and how things have changed since they left. Hope they're doing okay.
 
Bumping this to go back to the CWCki Forums days in 2012, a year before the establishment of the current Kiwi Farms website

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Of note, there are very few users I recognize on these two dates, including @DykesDykesChina (RIP) and @Invisible Crane.
 
Really, the hyper-politicization of damn near everything in the past few years is what killed the culture of the Farms.

I joined at the start of 2017 right after the site reopened following the Vordrak shutdown incident and had lurked on and off for a few years before then to mostly follow Chris and Deagle Nation.

Keep in mind that "Current Year" was in full swing in 2017 and that it was arguably the peak year for the Woke Left until 2020 upped the ante massively.

Even then, the change between the site's culture then and now is still massive.

2017 KF was a lot more centrist/center-right or "chaotic neutral shitposter" in its overall mindset and a lot less polarized. You still had a lot of right-wingers but there were a lot fewer hardline /pol/ tards and unironic traditionalists compared to now.
 
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