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For 108 years, the Boy Scouts of America’s flagship program has been known simply as the Boy Scouts. With girls soon entering the ranks, the group says that iconic name will change.

The organization on Wednesday announced a new name for its Boy Scouts program: Scouts BSA. The change will take effect in February.

Chief Scout Executive Mike Surbaugh said many possibilities were considered during lengthy and “incredibly fun” deliberations before the new name was chosen.

“We wanted to land on something that evokes the past but also conveys the inclusive nature of the program going forward,” he said. “We’re trying to find the right way to say we’re here for both young men and young women.”

The parent organization will remain the Boy Scouts of America, and the Cub Scouts — its program serving children from kindergarten through fifth grade — will keep its title, as well.

But the Boy Scouts — the program for 11- to 17-year-olds — will now be Scouts BSA.

The organization already has started admitting girls into the Cub Scouts, and Scouts BSA begins accepting girls next year.

Surbaugh predicted that both boys and girls in Scouts BSA would refer to themselves simply as scouts, rather than adding “boy” or “girl.”

The program for the older boys and girls will largely be divided along gender-lines, with single-sex units pursuing the same types of activities, earning the same array of merit badges and potentially having the same pathway to the coveted Eagle Scout award.

Surbaugh said that having separate units for boys and girls should alleviate concerns that girls joining the BSA for the first time might be at a disadvantage in seeking leadership opportunities.

So far, more than 3,000 girls have joined roughly 170 Cub Scout packs participating in the first phase of the new policy, and the pace will intensify this summer under a nationwide multimedia recruitment campaign titled “Scout Me In.”

The name change comes amid strained relations between the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts of America.

Girl Scout leaders said they were blindsided by the move, and they are gearing up an aggressive campaign to recruit and retain girls as members.

Among the initiatives is creation of numerous new badges that girls can earn, focusing on outdoor activities and on science, engineering, technology and math. The organization is expanding corporate partnerships in both those areas, and developing a Girl Scout Network Page on LinkedIn to support career advancement for former Girl Scouts.

“Girl Scouts is the premier leadership development organization for girls,” said Sylvia Acevedo, the Girl Scouts’ CEO. “We are, and will remain, the first choice for girls and parents who want to provide their girls opportunities to build new skills ... and grow into happy, successful, civically engaged adults.”

The Girl Scouts and the BSA are among several major youth organizations in the U.S. experiencing sharp drops in membership in recent years. Reasons include competition from sports leagues, a perception by some families that they are old-fashioned and busy family schedules.

The Boy Scouts say current youth participation is about 2.3 million, down from 2.6 million in 2013 and more than 4 million in peak years of the past.

The Girl Scouts say they have about 1.76 million girls and more than 780,000 adult members, down from just over 2 million youth members and about 800,000 adult members in 2014.

The overall impact of the BSA’s policy change on Girl Scouts membership won’t be known any time soon. But one regional leader, Fiona Cummings of Girl Scouts of Northern Illinois, believes the BSA’s decision to admit girls is among the factors that have shrunk her council’s youth membership by more than 500 girls so far this year.

She said relations with the Boy Scouts in her region used to be collaborative and now are “very chilly.”

“How do you manage these strategic tensions?” she asked. “We both need to increase our membership numbers.”

Surbaugh said BSA’s national leadership respected the Girl Scouts’ program and hoped both organizations could gain strength.

“If the best fit for your girl is the Girl Scouts, that’s fantastic,” he said. “If it’s not them, it might be us.”
 
I'll admit when I was little I always kinda wished I was allowed into the boy scouts. Part of that was due to me being a tomboy, but I think it was mostly because we did jack shit in girl scouts and sitting through the meet-ups was the most painfully dull thing in the world. The most riveting thing we ever did was some shitty arts and crafts lessons.

Of course, some people might argue that the solution would be to reform girl scouts and turn it into something more worthwhile, but that would require effort and finding proactive people with actual skills to teach to run the meetings instead of mocha-sipping moms who want to feel like they are doing something for the community without putting in an ounce of effort.
 
I think part of the Girl Scouts problem is that it is entirely run by women. There are certainly women who are capable of building an organization with a structural hierarchy and then setting up systems to make the organization run effectively. The problem is these women make up around 40% of the population and end being outnumbered by the 60% of the population that are catty backstabbers, overly worried about everyones feelings (when not socially backstabbing) and focused on counterproductive "one up" competition with the other women.

There are men like that too. But they make up about 40% of the Male population. And are outnumbered by the 60% that want the shit to run properly and are willing to compromise in order to see that things function.

Yes, I pulled those statistics out of my ass, but I think the general point stands. In an all male population, the people that will make a hierarchical organization work will be the majority. In an all female organization, the people that will make a hierarchical organization NOT work will be the majority.
 
I'll admit when I was little I always kinda wished I was allowed into the boy scouts. Part of that was due to me being a tomboy, but I think it was mostly because we did jack shit in girl scouts and sitting through the meet-ups was the most painfully dull thing in the world.

It's a shame that the girls that actually want to do outdoors stuff will also be accompanied by a hoard of "woke" girls that couldn't care less.

There are actually a ton of those already. I have a cousin that went to one where the point was "digital detoxing."

Soy scouts sounds like it would be fun to watch.
 
When I went to the UK for one of those Boy Scout world jamboree things, the American scout troops were frequently the butt of jokes because we were one of the only non Middle-Eastern countries that used different scouting groups for boys and girls. More power to them for changing this, there's really no reason not to. It encourages girls to get more skills related to the outdoors and it encourages socialization between boys and girls in a healthy, cooperative way. The idea that this is some revolutionary progressive thing is just baffling; its simply that the US was embarrassingly bad at handling this.
 
People acting like the boy and girl scout troops are just gonna bone each other in the woods 24/7 is dumb. By that logic gender segregation would make people less prone to that sort of thing, but it's obvious from every Indian "show bobs and vagene" post and refugee news story that the opposite is true.
 
Not sure if related but not sure if it deserves a separate thread:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-boy-scouts-girls-bsa-20180513-story.html

Young women have a much better option than the scandal-ridden Boy Scouts: the Girl Scouts
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Cub Scouts leader Mike Hoag and his son watch Mia Comoda, 9, practice her knife skills while they camp in Warrenville, Ill. (Nuccio DiNuzzo / Tribune News Service)




To the editor: Scouting is undoubtedly better with girls, but are girls better off Scouting with boys? Within the first two paragraphs of Spencer Windes' op-ed article, "The girls at my Boy Scout camp made us better young men," he refers to the socializing influence of females and mentions their physical appearance not once, but twice.

Girls should be added to turn boys into humans and provide them viewing pleasure? How empowering for those girls!


His conclusion that everyone deserves Scouting is not an endorsement of including girls, as girls already have a superior option in the Girls Scouts of America. While the Girl Scouts were advocating for human rights for all, the Boy Scouts of America was hiding abuse scandals and refusing to include any non-heterosexuals.

While it is admirable the organization is finally waking up to the 21st century, this should not be done on the backs of girls and young women.


To the editor: As an Eagle Scout, I would like Windes to know that his unfortunate experiences with the Boy Scouts is not the norm or what Scouting is all about.

His description of his troop as being "under supervised" and homophobic sounds more like a street gang than the Boy Scouts.

My experience with Scouting in 1960s Ohio involved no such cruelty. Our troop was led by caring fathers, and we treated each other like brothers.

If Scouting today has devolved into the abyss that Windes describes, bringing girls on won't solve the problem.

James Hornbeck, Van Nuys
 
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While the Girl Scouts were advocating for human rights for all, the Boy Scouts of America was hiding abuse scandals and refusing to include any non-heterosexuals.

According to Wikipedia you have a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy federally and have a policy of letting individual scout troops decide on issues like trans-inclusion, prayer and sex-ed.
 
I was kicked out of cub scouts for being hyperactive and a problem child. I was always proud of that. Mostly because I hated scouts. That and I tend to have an issue with authority figures. Probably why I am such a well adjusted human being now.

My little brother was in scouts and the funniest thing was we had to go to his summer camp (which sucked) and they invited a girl scouts troop to this massive meeting. The head scoutmaster introduced them at the big campfire one night and all the boys started booing. I was laughing my ass off at the chaos this caused.

Man the adults were pissed. Still thought it was the funniest god damn thing. It was like something straight out of a kids movie. Jesus I am a messed up person.

They will admit anyone who identifies as a girl, or whose parents say are a girl, so anyone.

Anyway, girl scouts have no prestige. Making it to eagle scout is a real accomplishment that some people care about. So it matters more than what the girl scouts do imo.
No one in the real world gives a shit about somebody making Eagle Scout. I was in Basic training at fort benning and this dork had his mom forward his eagle scout certification to him. When mail call happened at 1800 hours it became the favorite target of the drill sergeants to mock him for being such a dork. Being level headed people that 18 year olds are, we gave him a hard time after that. He cried...like a little girl.

Camp Fire Girls became Camp Fire Kids in 1975. This is not the first time a scouting org has gone co-ed.

I was in Camp Fire, back in the day. It was fine. Seriously.
If you're a dude, you were a beta. Getting laid is a great past time for summer camp.

Dude. The sort of girl that wants to be an eagle scout is going to, um, wear a lot of flannel.
Yep, they have lickher licenses. Also the boys who want to be Eagle scouts have little dogs they walk in their clean neighborhoods with a lot of rainbow flags.

How long until chicks in neckerchiefs and Smokey hats is someone's fetish?
Uh...bro...Jessica Rabbit did it for me.

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This is some incel level understanding of gender dynamics in the real world. You know there have been coed summer camps and boarding schools and youth activities that include overnights for decades right? It's not a big deal for most normal well adjusted people.
Because teenagers are well adjusted. They're the same group that has given us boy bands and David Hogg.

If memory serves, the girls cabins end up Mean Girls re-enactments, where "immature" girls are heckled and scorned, and the loudest victim of child molestation there brags about her sexual prowess. And there is ALWAYS that one girl who cannot speak English, doesn't get that they shouldn't like, fuck with wildlife or come out of the bathroom completely nude. It's all about emotional torture.
Please tell me there was lezzing out, naked pillow fights, and all kinds of kinky stuff.

That's pretty much how I remember summer camp.
Again, please tell me about the kinky adventures that happened. I want to believe.

Scouts is for nerds.
I'll just levae this here...
bring back hitler youth 2k18.
I unironically support this. I'll gas myself to make it happen.
 
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Lmao at everyone being mad at the boy scouts admitting girls and not for shielding pedophile scout leaders for decades.

Well the article I posted above does mention scandals, and people can still get mad at admitting girls technically because now they are vulnerable prey and easy targets for said pedophile scout leaders.
 
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Found a link. https://www.lds.org/church/news/chu...scouting-with-new-activities-program?lang=eng

The new LDS scouts are being rolled into the Aaronic Priesthood, and the church basically demanded that all members leave scouting. This left a giant hole in the BSA and BSA leadership in particular. The LDS basically controlled the BSA for decades. That is why so much of Boy's Life photography was in Utah for such a long time.

There have been a number of efforts to do things like this in the past, to the extent that id be willing to bet a small amount of money that the name "ranger girls" is already taken by one of them. The problem is that there are very tangible benefits to being part of a large, internationally recognized youth organization that a start-up like the hypothetical ranger girls can't offer.

If you're a boy scout, you can register to stay at any of hundreds of camps in the country, and take part in hundreds of events. 99% of that is of course not going to be worthwhile for some reason or another, but it looks great on paper and the opportunities are there. The rigid, consistent and (most importantly) well-published requirements to become an Eagle Scout in the BSA have allowed that rank to be a genuine influencing factor on things like job applications, and I believe it even counts for a small increase in your starting rank if you join the military. The ranks and awards in a home-grown youth program don't have 108 years of consistent credibility backing them up. Also, the fact that the organization is huge and over a century old means that they have faced and overcome issues with adult leaders being accused of pedophilia and embezzling. Any new group is going to have to go through those same growing pains, and they're fucking rough.

I fully believe that a brand new scouting organization could do better for young women when it comes to the principles of scouting, like outdoorsmanship and ethics, but there's no way to make one that can compete with the BSA in terms of recognition or scale of opportunities. I can totally see why the girls want in on this so badly.

The Girl Scouts have that huge pool of resources and widespread recognition, but they really are just a cookie company with a code of ethics tacked on for the salespeople. The overwhelming majority of their members (and more importantly, their overbearing mothers) have no interest at all in outdoorsmanship or any other scout shit. The organization knows it can't go toe-to-toe with the BSA in the summer camp/trail hiking game, and they'd lose most of the "dainty 10-14 year old girl" demographic that they depend on for selling shit if they tried to do so. They'll never be anything besides what they are right now.

This is all compounded by the fact that the BSA is bleeding money and members, and is pretty desperate for a new demographic to draw from after they pissed off all the Mormons.

Oh this is actually something I know a lot about because I had to write a report on the differences for an old job. This move was inevitable, due to a variety of forces, and nobody comes out smelling like roses. In no particular order, the reasons for this are:
1) Boy Scout's bread and butter was LDS troops for decades. But LDS is making their own youth activity group and leaving Boy Scouts. This is a way to get more members and more money for BSA.

2) Girl Scouts became known as a progressive organization, and conservative, mostly religious, families pulled their girls. There are a few alternate Girl Scouts out there for conservative girls now (American Heritage Girls is the major one I think), but they're all pretty lame. Parents would much rather just bring their daughters to the same meetings they bring their sons to. In many cases they already do, and the girls are already doing the same things the boys are. This has been true with Cub Scouts for years, but is becoming more true for Boy Scouts. The girls can do the same stuff, just can't get the badges (which are only sold to registered troop members), and this pisses them and their parents off.

3) Girl Scout programming sucks. It's based on a troop-centric model, whereas Boy Scouts is based on a national-program model. This means that there's very little support for Girl Scout troops and very little access to the kinds of materials that many Boy Scout troops build up over generations. There's no institutional history at the troop level, and the troop leaders have to devise their own programming for the troop, usually with no experience and very little money. There are badges for Girl Scouts, but they're mostly boring and way below grade level. There's something called Journeys that are supposed to be the national program, but I've never met anyone who likes them.

4) Both Boy and Girl Scouts consolidated regions and camps over the past decade, but Boy Scouts was much smarter about how they did it. They invested heavily in various camps around the country, basically turning them into outdoor-based community centers. This is another money issue: in order to pay for these improvements, they need more kids to participate in programming.

5) They've had plenty of bad publicity for being exclusive, and this is a way to garner good publicity. It's a good way to avoid the transgender issue entirely, but that's probably a tiny reason.

One final thing: Boy and Girl Scouts are totally separate organizations that don't like each other much at the national level. They have nothing to do with each other. BSA is probably pretty happy that this is a big "fuck you" to Girl Scouts and their sanctimony.

Edited to add: this is going to be framed as a progressive, inclusive, snowflake, whatever move, but it's 100% a financial move. BSA desperately needs money. There are girls who don't want to do Girl Scouts who want to give them money. It's as simple as that.

Didn't realize that Boy Scouts weren't already inclusive and depended so much on Mormons.

Also, is Girl Scouts a scam? They don't seem to do anything but sell cookies.
 
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Didn't realize that Boy Scouts weren't already inclusive and depended so much on Mormons.

Also, is Girl Scouts a scam? They don't seem to do anything but sell cookies.
I think it was a sign that Spielberg did his homework (a Jew being educated on something...shocker right?) about the Boy Scouts and their strong relationship with Utah having Jones there as a teen.

Say what you will about the Mormons but they are some of the best read biblical people you'll meet. Yeah the Book of Mormon has some goofy shit but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young really weren't dumb ass guys. They researched Christianity and Judaism. Also, South Park was right, Mormons are some of the nicest people you'll meet. It's off putting and it's sadly satisfying when you hear their scandals but as a whole, they're really nice people who believe in helping others and following the word of their god. That's all I ever expect from someone who is religious.
 
So can boys join the girl scouts now? Legit wouldnt mind my kids getting first dibs on those cookies
 
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