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[Alexander Thaut]

As usual, any and every form of authoritarianism post 20th century, even in fiction is supposed to be seen directly or indirectly as National Socialism. Are people supposed to be taking this seriously? This isn't academic study. The book and the movie are very different of one another - Starship Troopers. Robert Heinlein wrote it as a science fiction mystery and I believe the movie was made as a "parody" as a way for it either be made and not to be seen as a "fascist/authoritarian propaganda" or to make a whole joke of the mess. Whichever it is the case, it could be seen as a "analogous to a futuristic case to something like Futuristic Authoritarianism", as the doctrine of Fascism had futuristic undertones in it (according to Giovanni Gentile). Yet associate it with National Socialism and say "poor bugs" is lunacy.

Good thing she got a C-.

It's amusing because it's probably the most famous bit of military science fiction that isn't Star Wars/Trek nor a vidya game original. I've heard that Haldeman's Forever War is supposed to be even better, with Heinlein praising it as well.

But yeah, everything nowadays is boiled to formulas for brainlets. It doesn't matter as long as you toe the "party line" and asskiss.

If I'm not completely mistaken, the director/screenwriter for the movie only read a few chapters into it and decided he didn't like the federation because he's the type of soyboy who thinks that a relatively free, functional society with healthy amounts of nationalism is "fascist."

The type of leftist who is eternally butthurt about the Soviet Union losing the cold war.

The type of bugman who is filled with so much irrational hatred for his own society, or even own species, that they'd simp for literal fucking bugs over humanity.

I hear the movie's fun at least, in a goofy way.

weren't these types of leftists also mad over Helldivers having the same kinda stuff as Starship Troopers?

Ah, I see. So it was meant to subvert the film then, apparently - and ruin the story (potentially). It's what I think too, personally. Some butthurt retard that decided to demonize the Federation akin to the NSDAP in Hogan's Heroes (let's make them retarded instead of evil). And once you read the book you'll see you've been lied to by the movies.

So it happens.

Huh

It occurs to me that classic old-school SF/F groups have been gatekept reasonably well because you're expected to be able to talk about the books. I've been in a few groups where retards trying to shill an agenda on either side have been assblasted.

Starship Troopers is on the list of ones to read, but I think my first Heinlein book is very likely going to wind up being The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.


Anyways, I'm surprised at how many shitlibs are filtered by Heinlein's influence alone. Every time some work has Heinlein influences that get noted in the reviews, I will then I keep hearing them screech and rant about "muh nationalism" "muh libertarianism" "wah wah it's all bad because wrongthink".

"Wah wah the bugs are literally me" says the shitlib as he then goes on to say that Orcs in DnD are actually all black people.


God, these people only ever view the world as a narrow surface level list of viewpoints.

 

[Surfin Terf]

It occurs to me that classic old-school SF/F groups have been gatekept reasonably well because you're expected to be able to talk about the books.

I guess it depends on what you mean by old-school SF/F group, but the Hugo’s and SFWA and all the other major organizations that have survived from them are utterly captured.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I guess it depends on what you mean by old-school SF/F group, but the Hugo’s and SFWA and all the other major organizations that have survived from them are utterly captured.

fan groups, reading groups, etc.

the big orgs aren't worth following. When's the cutoff date for Hugo/Nebula winners/nominees being worthwhile reading.

 

[Luke gama]

As someone who was a political sperg back in that time, the term 'boogaloo' was genuinely a term used by libertarians in memes and such, it was an extremely popular term back then in lolbert circles, then when the extremism started ramping up, the term basically died in a matter of months. His explanation makes perfect sense as someone who basically did the same thing. (Posted/shared boogaloo memes and then distanced themselves when it got a little too real.)

I remember it from the weekendgunit sub Reddit maybe the name is slightly wrong it was political incorrect but not really hateful anti atf, tax, pro gun rights, libertarian not suitable for Reddit. They banned the subreddit.

But wendigoon is stupid enough to think he invented it I could see him having the same vague understanding I did of it.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I hear the movie's fun at least, in a goofy way.

weren't these types of leftists also mad over Helldivers having the same kinda stuff as Starship Troopers?

More like they were angry with the fans of Helldivers for choosing to ignore the fact that it was a satire on neoconservatism.

Same reason they get after rightist fans of Warhammer 40k who choose to ignore the fact that the Imperium is a satire on theocracy and fascism.

In both instances, because rightists still relate to the soldiers/warriors in both works, as they're people who fullheartedly believe in themselves and their own nation, in the face of enemies that would gladly eat them or rape them. As opposed to leftists who would gladly bend over for said alien scum if they existed.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

More like they were angry with the fans of Helldivers for choosing to ignore the fact that it was a satire on neoconservatism.

Same reason they get after rightist fans of Warhammer 40k who choose to ignore the fact that the Imperium is a satire on theocracy and fascism.

In both instances, because rightists still relate to the soldiers/warriors in both works, as they're people who fullheartedly believe in themselves and their own nation, in the face of enemies that would gladly eat them or rape them. As opposed to leftists who would gladly bend over for said alien scum if they existed.

It's the same shit that happened with fans of Judge Dredd and Watchmen's Rorschach. As well as fans of the Sith and the Empire in Star Wars.

Left-leaning authors create a character or a faction that's supposed to be the apex of everything they hate. Taking inspiration from modern right-wingers as well as Nazis or even the Black Legend Inquisition or Crusades. You're supposed to view them from a left-leaning lens and remember how they stand of all the icky, conservative, backwards ideologies that you're supposed to reject as a good little liberal.

But you show that shit to kids, as well as adults who don't get the context, and what do they see? Guys who look awesome, kick ass, and don't take smack talk from pussies and assholes who try to fuck with them.

-They see the Helldivers fighting for Super-Earth and Democracy and they interpret that literally and think it's something they should emulate.

-They see the Imperium of Man fighting for their god, their king, and their nation against daemonic or alien hordes, and they think that's fantastic.

-They think it's cool that Vader can choke a bitch with his brain, and his mates have a massive space fleet as well as a giant flying pillbox tooling around the galaxy shattering worlds.

-They think it's great that Rorschach has a strong sense of right and wrong, he doesn't take lip from assholes, and he's more than willing to kill a man or die for his morals.

-They think it's awesome when Judge Dredd puts his fist through the face of a Lovecraftian horror when it tries to scare him.

And can you truly blame these people for seeing it that way? They don't give two flying shits about leftist ideologies, most of which don't actually do anything for the average pleb, but said plebs do like it when they see a character or a faction that has power and decisiveness. They like a guy who doesn't play by some arbitrary rulebook over what is right and wrong, they like a guy who takes action and is willing to back up their talk with strength or firepower.

Leftists are experts in creating factions or characters that wind up becoming fan-favorites, even though they were supposed to be hated by the audience. Nothing has changed since the 70s and 80s. Leftists believe that everyone should view things the way they do, yet they're constantly pissed off at the fact that their fictional offerings are put through the idea of ''death of the author'' and reinterpreted in a way that makes the conservative or militaristic characters and factions look awesome instead of icky.

 

[HumptiDouji]

I'm a bit fan of the tangent in the Carrie video, somewhere between when he says that notorious TDS sufferer Stephen King is alt-right

Still completely baffled by this btw.

I believe the movie was made as a "parody" as a way for it either be made and not to be seen as a "fascist/authoritarian propaganda"

Which didn't even work, because retarded movie critics of the day still mooed widely about how Starship Troopers was an evil movie for promoting fascism, in spite of the film laying it on SO fucking thick that it's incredibly difficult to take seriously.
It's an unbelievably unsubtle movie, which makes it not really carry very much good weight as a satire or criticism of fascism or general militant collectivism, but it fortunately makes it very entertaining, from both sincere and ironic perspectives.

I hear the movie's fun at least, in a goofy way.

Yes it is, it's a hell of a fun movie. It's nowhere near as good as Robocop or Total Recall, which are genuine masterpieces down to the storytelling, but it still has a lot of the same incredibly entertaining action and violence, and that is something Paul Verhoeven is very good at, and why I love him as a movie director.

The context for Paul Verhoeven deciding to subvert Starship Troopers is that he grew up in the Netherlands during Nazi German occupation, and felt put off from thumbing through it some, seeing a bunch of parallels to those times, not bothering to read it proper. Instead he asks someone else to read it for him and give him a summary, which is then adapted into the script, said script being something with an original working title of "Bughunt At Outpost 7," which was not originally written as an adaption of Starship Troopers, but having the license attached to it somewhere along the way.
In Verhoeven's defense, I vaguely remember Starship Troopers the book as a pretty dry read, but this film adaption is essentially a big fuckup, just one which happens to be good anyway because the director is so talented.

 

[Markorian]

As well as fans of the Sith and the Empire in Star Wars.

Nah, leftists see the sith as brave freedom fighters going against the cis-hetero-patriarchal-fundamentalist theocracy of the jedi.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Nah, leftists see the sith as brave freedom fighters going against the cis-hetero-patriarchal-fundamentalist theocracy of the jedi.

Only when the Jedi are the controlling interest in the galaxy. But once the Sith and their Empire take over, the leftists go full Antifa and see the Imperials as fascist dicks who need to be overthrown. Hence why they really love Andor, and why they get pissed off at kids dressing up as Stormtroopers every Halloween.

 

[Markorian]

Only when the Jedi are the controlling interest in the galaxy. But once the Sith and their Empire take over, the leftists go full Antifa and see the Imperials as fascist dicks who need to be overthrown. Hence why they really love Andor, and why they get pissed off at kids dressing up as Stormtroopers every Halloween.

Yeah, they "ummm, ackshually, that's not REAL sith!" with the empire, just like they do with every single time communism has been tried.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, they "ummm, ackshually, that's not REAL sith!" with the empire, just like they do with every single time communism has been tried.

That'd be funny if the Left tried that. The Ancient Sith Empires that predated the Galactic Empire were far more cruel and dystopian. As in, imagine having millions of Sith running around all over the place, and aside from the fact that they feud with each other all the time, they can legally kill any non-Sith for any reason they see fit. To the point where even if you're a ranking officer, your own soldiers will shoot you if the Sith are displeased with you.

 

[Markorian]

That'd be funny if the Left tried that. The Ancient Sith Empires that predated the Galactic Empire were far more cruel and dystopian.

That would require leftists to know about anything beyond the disney canon.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That would require leftists to know about anything beyond the disney canon.

In much the same way, the Leftists also do not know about the history of Communism and the damage it's caused to society and humanity as a whole.

Here's a tip; the actual Communists of previous eras would look at the bourgeois, over-educated, consumerist Left of today, especially the Breadtube community, and throw them out of the country or worse. They are the kulaks, the rich upper class, the very same spoiled brats that the Communists back in WW1 Russia and Cultural Revolution China would hunt down and expel from society. If modern leftists knew how much the Socialists and Communists of the past would've hated them, they wouldn't be so quick to call themselves Socialists or Communists. It's basically the reason why the actual Commies in places like China see western leftists as a joke.

 

[Frosty Fetus]

I found my new favorite genre of lefty insane they them clearly overly compensating gay men

JK Rowling and Jordan Peterson are literally planning to start the Third Reich it is written in the Chamber of secrets

I remember seeing his JK Rowling video. He and his fan base were put into a fit after I said they're all so pathetic for trying failing to ruin a women's life due to a disagreement on views.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

If I'm not completely mistaken, the director/screenwriter for the movie only read a few chapters into it and decided he didn't like the federation because he's the type of soyboy who thinks that a relatively free, functional society with healthy amounts of nationalism is "fascist."

The type of leftist who is eternally butthurt about the Soviet Union losing the cold war.

The type of bugman who is filled with so much irrational hatred for his own society, or even own species, that they'd simp for literal fucking bugs over humanity.

As I recall, the director had never read the book at all and the script for the movie was originally titled Bug Hunt at Outpost 7, which makes the overlap obvious from the title. Only later, someone on the production realized there were enough similarities that they grabbed the license for Starship Troopers and they went with that, adding some surface level similarities, but leaving out a lot. The director, Paul Verhoeven, styled it similarly to his previous Science Fiction films Total Recall and particularly RoboCop (which had the same script writer), giving it a more cynical and satirical take. This wasn't even the typical Hollywood approach of adapting an existing property that no one on the production cares about and so it ends up being butchered horribly. That was only done later in production to make the film for marketable.

Since none of these YouTube "media experts" have read the book, they just assume that the film is an accurate depiction of its contents and they like the movie because its satirical take fits in with their world view and the blatant satire means that they don't need to think too hard to get it. So they clap excitedly and pat themselves on the back for being able to deliver deep insight into the themes that even a lobotomized potato would struggle not to pick up on and regurgitate them to an audience that's even less capable of thinking for themselves.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

As I recall, the director had never read the book at all and the script for the movie was originally titled Bug Hunt at Outpost 7, which makes the overlap obvious from the title. Only later, someone on the production realized there were enough similarities that they grabbed the license for Starship Troopers and they went with that, adding some surface level similarities, but leaving out a lot. The director, Paul Verhoeven, styled it similarly to his previous Science Fiction films Total Recall and particularly RoboCop (which had the same script writer), giving it a more cynical and satirical take.

So in other words, the director didn't need to read the book in order to simp for man-eating bugs that a space-faring human society would have ample good reasons to want gone.

He's even more of a bitch-boy than I thought.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

I remember seeing his JK Rowling video. He and his fan base were put into a fit after I said they're all so pathetic for trying failing to ruin a women's life due to a disagreement on views.

speaking of semi-big breadtubers who actually respond when you troll them, mia mulder was caught on r/redscarepod searching his name for people shittalking him. apparently this person is actually in office in sweden, so my fellow swedes: your tax dollars at work! you pay for a tranny who's endorsed sterilizing kids to sit on reddit and argue with people who dont like her

 

[6MillionCoofs]

That would require leftists to know about anything beyond the disney canon.

And they don’t even know that.

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

Happy 800 pages, and heres to many, many more!

 

[Frosty Fetus]

speaking of semi-big breadtubers who actually respond when you troll them, mia mulder was caught on r/redscarepod searching his name for people shittalking him. apparently this person is actually in office in sweden, so my fellow swedes: your tax dollars at work! you pay for a tranny who's endorsed sterilizing kids to sit on reddit and argue with people who dont like her

Would it be considered cow tipping if you sat that someone is a self-absorbed retard?