Off-Topic Bridget The Totem of Troons - >my wholesome and valid comfort character!!!

[FatMebius]

They're faggy and were completely okay with Samurai being pederasts.

I'd never call a nip femboy manly. My point was more that I might see some femboy and say "lol homo" but some nip housewife would probably be really into his look. Samurai culture is a big part of it still though. Some real, deep-seated prison gay behavior. I think there's a direct throughline between bushido boyfucking and otokonoko stuff.

I personally believe at this point that it's willful ignorance. To research it would be to confront the reality that none of this material is about troonism, because being 'transsexual' is not a real thing; it's a complete and utter delusion. They don't want to face facts and hold a mirror to their fetish. It's the equivalent to covering their eyes and ears and going "la la la I can't hear you!"

I think a lot of research into the science of why someone's trans is either suppressed, ignored or flat-out not conducted. Not by anyone actually in academia at least. The studies I have seen are ignored or written off as being "transphobic" or whatever.

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

I might see some femboy and say "lol homo" but some nip housewife would probably be really into his look

Faggy pretty boy shit is considered manly in Japan right now, that's the funny part.

If you're chubby and muscly and pound beers you're "bara" which is gay coded because they're retarded, except sumo for some reason, they get bitches.

 

[Kiska]

A lot of yapping and nuance

I prefer the Russian solution to this problem.

 

[AMHOLIO]

People who don't get Naoto or Kanji's arcs are actually, literally illiterate. They both look directly at the camera and spell out exactly what their deals are. To sit down and play the game from start to finish and actually think Kanji is a fag or that Naoto would mean willfully misinterpreting the game.

I personally believe at this point that it's willful ignorance

It's all willful ignorance. You can say a lot about the death of the author and this and that, but those who hold Naoto and Kanji's stories as this are usually deciding it because they want that story, not because it's actually there. Back in the day when there were less coming out stories and less LGBT stories, this would be understandable to an American geek who got Persona 4 and had no other media they were interested in that supported them (note: this means gay weebs who weren't going out of their way for American gay teen books). Now they have a fucking abundance and it's all down to choice of interpretation.

The person who chooses to interpret these guys as trans or gay is the type of person who wants to be Naoto or Kanji, or date them. They want to be in this cool art style where there's so many pretty people, they want to have that gang of friends they solve mysteries with, they want to be adored by others and have their quirks understood and seen as something people can love instead of dislike. They are rewriting a story to live out a fantasy, and they'll even say the writers and Japanese are wrong to feel better about themselves. When you get down to it, it all comes to wanting to live a fantasy you can never achieve. It's an escape into your head, where you create the rules and decide what is what. And they latch onto fandom which has a lot of heads into it that they butt into because they're selfish and don't get the concept of everyone can play a game and see it how they want. It is THEIR comfort game! They were here first! (Because they bought it then got into the fandom, it feels like it was theirs first. Or another troon said something and thus that was their first exposure to it, again, them first.)

Fan autism can be fine in moderation, but it's ridiculous to try and enforce your ideas onto people like this. It's like any other hobby, you can't choose how others enjoy themselves and others enjoying themselves shouldn't affect you that bad. If you can't learn to share or disagree and stay in a small space instead of bullying the rest of the fandom or the authors, then you need a visit from the internet lumberjack because you're NGMI.

 

[FatMebius]

Western fans have a bad tendency to mistake their headcanon as being actually canon. And when you say "Well, that's actually not what the text/game/anime/whatever says" they go apeshit.

 

[Fagguccine]

This isn't even just Bridget. Any femboy or transed character in media can basically count in this thread. Astolfo, Felix Argyle, Vivian, Poison and probably a few more I'm forgetting. I don't really see them as the characters they were, just things that trannies cram in their shitty memes and wish they could look a fragment like. (41% become ghosts like Vivian!)

 

[FuckedOffToff]

I was just going to say:
Relitigating the "Bridget" question again?
Really?
Late and Gay, bindun, op's barely concealed fetish, etc, etc, etc,.

But then some decently informing posts happened about the differences between western views of male and female signifiers and Japanese ones.

More of this sort of stuff, it gives me cultural lore to laugh at trannies and weebs (subtype -loli/shota) I don't mind people enjoying things if they're above board, none of my business.

I also appreciate @,AMHOLIOtake on fandoms. A community devided by a singular work or property.
Also the reason AO3 exists.

Tlr - read, nigga, read. 0

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

The general consensus I've seen with Troons is that they want to convince others and themselves that what they're doing to themselves is really wholesome and cute. The "modern day online transgender girl" wants one thing and one thing only: To turn themselves into an anime girl. For example, they try way too hard to present themselves as female online, using not only female pronouns and bright pastel colors in their profile pictures, banners, and, quite often, their drawings, but also by talking in "Katy teh penguin of d00m" speak, or stuff like that.

The more they can convince people to validate them, the more they can convince themselves and others to look away from all the ugly truths that come with doing grotesque things to their bodies and minds. And so, you get people who in any other world would be politically neutral being strong-armed into saying troons are wholesome, have them treat them as they would any other cute girls in real life, or online, calling them "girly pops" or "oomfies."

I've also seen plenty of people bring up that another reason people commit themselves to trooning out is the lack of a GF, or the "incel to troon pipeline". They never got to have a cute goth or scene GF, and so they try to transform into one to compensate, as thanks to radical 3rd wave feminism, a lot of women abandoned things that made girls "girls". So, now, whenever I'm online, there seems to be this "threadhold" where if a girl online is trying way too hard to be girly, using girly colors like pink or saturated colors, posts pictures of cute characters, looks and acts like a happy-go-lucky girl you would know in Elementary school or Junior High, I have no choice but to assume the person lurking behind that username is someone who's currently ODing on HRT pills.

Where Bridget comes in is that people see him as an unofficially-official mascot for this movement. ArcSys made him with the intent of having a cute character that was a boy instead of a girl, except the long-term effects of this would lead to a lot of problems. For one, like I said, trans girls love cute characters. They want to see themselves as a cute anime girl, or use cute imagery in their online profile or works. Bridget is cute, he stuck out from the other members of the GG cast through things like his design and the "Everybody is gay for Bridget" meme.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the modern day FGC is very meme-driven. For example, early on in Strive's life, May became a meme thanks to her being annoying to play against. "Totsugeki!" became the go-to meme for Strive, and would cement May as a bonafide Twitter meme that summer. Even people who barely play GG, or know jack-all about it, know May.


Because Twitter, especially in the wake of Covid, suffers heavily from brainrot across the board, people turn into monkeys whenever they see a cute character that lines up perfectly with the worldview they want to push. I could write so much more about why Twitter ate up Bridget in the way they did, and the psychology behind their (I'm just gonna call it what it is) lust for trans "representation" in the wake of progressivism taking over the Internet after #LoveWins, but that's best saved for another day.

Bridget is legit one of the few ficitional characters who actually deserves his own KF thread.
If you haven't already, go watch Dimitri Monroe's video about Bridget:

 

[Fagguccine]

eople who don't get Naoto or Kanji's arcs are actually, literally illiterate.

There's literally scenes in P4 where Kanji says "I like girls, actually." and Naoto declares herself as being female multiple times in the main story and in her social link. In the best ending of the game she's dropped crosdressing and grew her hair out, the scenes where Yosuke teases Kanji for being a fag is teenage banter that still happens today. Hell, Yosuke is more of a fag than Kanji is considering the scrapped romance route that's in the files. My biggest fear with the very possible P4 remake is that they throw all that development out of the window to kowtow to the alphabet soup.

In the P4 remake, Kanji will be a fag and Naoto will be a pooner, calling it now.

 

[FatMebius]

There's literally scenes in P4 where Kanji says "I like girls, actually." and Naoto declares herself as being female multiple times in the main story and in her social link. In the best ending of the game she's dropped crosdressing and grew her hair out, the scenes where Yosuke teases Kanji for being a fag is teenage banter that still happens today. Hell, Yosuke is more of a fag than Kanji is considering the scrapped romance route that's in the files. My biggest fear with the very possible P4 remake is that they throw all that development out of the window to kowtow to the alphabet soup.

In the P4 remake, Kanji will be a fag and Naoto will be a pooner, calling it now.

I can imagine current day Atlus kowtowing to trannies. Well, that and charging 30 dollars for content from The Golden. But, I've long since given up on Atlus. Getting bought by Sega really was a death knell for them as far as quality goes.

 

[peachlover669]

I thought this change was made specifically by the western translators and wasnt supported by the japanese or did that end up getting DEBOONKED

 

[Fagguccine]

I thought this change was made specifically by the western translators and wasnt supported by the japanese or did that end up getting DEBOONKED

Pretty sure Daisuke confirmed Bridget is a troon himself in an interview, but the discussion got too retarded for me to follow if people discarded it as proof or not.

 

[peachlover669]

Pretty sure Daisuke confirmed Bridget is a troon himself in an interview, but the discussion got too retarded for me to follow if people discarded it as proof or not.

the opinion of an insane jap does not matter.

 

[Mr.Neutron]

troons take the shadow fights way too seriously. they think the shadow saying it is the true self implies that is actually the truth about the character but its not so black and white like that.

its like how they think kanji is totally gay because of his shadow fight but in reality his issue was that he was overcompensating because he liked generally girly things and did not want to be seen as gay because of it. so he had to learn that its ok to enjoy the things he does and that enjoying sewing or baking does not mean he is gay.

plus like you said naoto has no interest in being a man her issue is that she thinks nobody would take her seriously as a detective unless she pretends to be a man.

but somehow that translates to troons as her totally being an egg that needs to be cracked into the beautiful pooner she truly is. its so stupid especially when there are actual trans characters that people like that they could latch onto but the thrill is not there unless they convert people i suppose.

As a dude that gardens, can crochet and likes cooking, Kanji is my boi.

 

[FatMebius]

Pretty sure Daisuke confirmed Bridget is a troon himself in an interview, but the discussion got too retarded for me to follow if people discarded it as proof or not.

He himself made the claim, yeah. But, it's hard to say how much of that's really him, how much of it's caving to Western fans or how much of it might just be trying to dodge weirdo Chinese censorship.

There's a manga called Black Butler and one character is a super effeminate gay man named Grell. Or was an effeminate gay man until Americans bullied the author online into saying Grell was trans.

 

[Papa stink]

The funny thing about this is that from what I've read, all the creator said is that Bridget became more comfortable with his gender, as in accepting that he was a man. But since trannies live in their own deluded world they interpreted as Bridget becoming a heckin valid woman.

 

[Fagguccine]

There's a manga called Black Butler and one character is a super effeminate gay man named Grell. Or was an effeminate gay man until Americans bullied the author online into saying Grell was trans.

Yeah I heard about that. The fact that troons are bullying creators into their agenda is ridiculous.

As a dude that gardens, can crochet and likes cooking, Kanji is my boi.

Kanji is such a bro too.

 

[DickMain]

Yeah I heard about that. The fact that troons are bullying creators into their agenda is ridiculous.

Their screeching didn't matter until the world turned upside down and they were somehow given legal power and protections.

He himself made the claim, yeah. But, it's hard to say how much of that's really him, how much of it's caving to Western fans or how much of it might just be trying to dodge weirdo Chinese censorship.

I think he just legitimately does not care and will say what sells. Every year that's gone by I've thought less and less of him.

 

[DickMain]

What's funny about Bridget to me specifically is that him being a man was only an issue once trannies took over the scene.

This never used to be an issue. They ruin literally everything.
Oop. I didn't mean to doublepost there, I just assumed there would have been more activity since the last time.

 

[Frick Marisa]

I think Griffith is one of the few cases where it's actually a really good fit for him because this effeminate look very closely matches with medieval ideals of beauty, especially those from Arthurian legends. It's only natural that the false prophet he represents would look like the stereotypical ideal of the time.

To add to this, this is also why Satan is often portrayed as a beautiful charismatic man in Christianity.

And to stay on topic with +R, hit me up in DM if any of you want to play +R.