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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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A-Logato said:
To quote Nigel himself;

"We can't do that here"
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Not yet we can't, sadly.

In the future, however, that remains to be seen. Hopefully it will be.

Late and gay with the news dump, but here it is:

* Mark White's Migration Monitor: I've had a tip-off that could derail France's plan to intercept migrant boats

* Nigel Farage eyes red wall wipeout after Reform steals 'bellwether' Sunderland seat from Labour in historic win

* Politics LIVE: No10 dismisses claims Rachel Reeves misled public over black hole after bombshell warning letter

* Romanian teenagers accused of attempting to rape schoolgirl in Ballymena will have charges dropped

* Retired Army officer slams schools 'teaching children to be ashamed of British history' as military downsizes

* Kemi Badenoch laughs at claims she is bullying Rachel Reeves as she slams Labour

* UK set to host first World Cup since 1966 after FA launches unopposed bid (Women's Football though...)

* England legend Geoff Hurst demands mandatory prostate exams after alarming cancer stats emerge

* Prince William's team leave £75 tip at Wiltshire pub before posing for group photograph

* Robber jailed for life after murdering elderly shopper, 87, before stealing his Cornflakes and cottage pie

* 'Nothing short of an exodus!' Workers flee £7.4bn stealth tax as TWO-THIRDS of emigrants are young Britons

* NHS puberty blocker trial will ask 12-year-olds if they are 'two-spirit' or 'genderqueer'

* Rachel Reeves warned Budget will lead to 'dismal' living standards as economists issue damning verdict

* Labour backbenchers see unfair dismissal compromise as ‘manifesto breach,’ says Katherine Forster

* 'It’s killing us!' Andrew Griffith blasts 'bloated legal system' as under-35s leave UK in record numbers

* 'You are not answering!' Stephen Dixon grills Bridget Phillipson on 'breaking manifesto pledges'

* Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves have ruined peoples lives to try to save their own skin, says Patrick Christys

* ITV viewers fume 'hypocrisy' as GMB presenter discusses climate change after travelling abroad
 
A-Logato said:
To quote Nigel himself;

"We can't do that here"
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To also quote Nigel 8 months after that quote:
"We're gonna do that." [paraphrased]
Clem Fandango said:
Honestly, with this and JD Vance reaming basically all of Europe over their abandonment of the principle of free speech, I feel like the Trump administration is doing more to progress my interests than any domestic politician.
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Elon complaining about the OSA got it delayed by 3 months, and USAID fucked the BBC over a little and the free speech platitudes have made it an area attack for the European right. Elon arguably contributed more to our progress bizarrely given Twitter not being censored (as much) cannot be overstated in how valuable it is for spreading news and calling out bullshit. Half of the migrant march footage would still be confined to audio-less webms shared on /pol/ or some shit. I think having Vance in power will be useful given European political culture is downwind of America sadly and Obama's tenure and influence in the domestic US also screwed us over as well. Farage winning with a hyper-leftie on the American throne would probably slow us if not outright stop any Conservative attempts to repair our domestic situation given it's apparently a faux pas for doing something in your own country that a neighbour doesn't like, even if it doesn't threaten said neighbour.

Regardless: tragic that we're reliant on foreign politicians just to slow our decline so that the climb back up won't be as long.
 
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Honestly, Vance and Trump reaming the UK and Europe over free speech laws is actually a really good thing. We basically had a 'freedom of speech is not freedom from public perception' kind of deal as a cornerstone of our high trust society. We could say whatever we wanted up to a point, but it was exceedingly rare that anyone actually had a knock on the door from the police bar anything extreme like calling your neighbour a paedophile rapist Nazi or something. Hell, the Rivers of Blood speech didn't get Powell arrested and sent to prison, even though it did basically fuck over his chances of becoming Prime Minister.

And then all of a sudden... we didn't, and it's actually hard to pinpoint exactly WHEN it happened. When the Nazis took over Germany you had a rough date of when things changed, when the Communists became the rulers of East Germany and Russia you had a rough date of when things changed... yet with Europe we just basically had a boiling frog moment where we sleepwalked into totalatarian state censorship.

There is something deeply uncomfortable about how all of this has happened and it affects everything from the Online Safety Bill to even petty shit like having replica swords made illegal. Then there's incidents like the Koran burning guy getting stabbed or the woman who was raped arrested for calling their attacker a faggot, or the kids in Scotland who were beaten up by gypsies and arrested for saying mean words about them. It really has been a boiling frog thing to realise that it's not just unacceptable to say faggot, but you could get a knock at your door for saying it.
 
one of my favourite things that Enoch said:

"how dare I stir up trouble, and inflame feelings, by repeating such a conversation?"
"My Answer is that I do not have the right not to do so."
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
pinpoint exactly WHEN it happened.
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Public Order Act 1986
Made "incitement" a criminal offence. In this context, incitement to riot and whatnot.
Protection from Harassment Act 1997
Bill which gave special consideration to those claiming to be victims of harassment/stalking/racism/anti-social behaviour, etcetera.
Criminal and Disorder Act 1998
Introduced "racially aggravated offences" into law. (Also eliminated the death penalty for treason and piracy)
Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006
Amends the public order act mentioned above meaning that inciting others to be racist/hateful of someone's religion or drawing attention to it in a negative way is now penalised.
Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008
Amends the Public Order Act further by including sexual orientation.

These pieces of legislation effectively congealed into the tonsil stone of censorship that exists in the modern UK.
Whilst 3 of these were Labour, the first two dominoes were knocked over by the Conservative party, hence why they both have to go.

Edit: Regarding Powell, it's worth noting 2 things:
(1) MPs and hopeful MPs are pretty much the only constitutionally protected individuals in the UK. The right for them to speak was mandated way back in 1698.
(2) His speech was made prior to any of these laws ever entering legislation. Despite what many think, the UK's free speech, although not constitutionally protected like the Americans, was pretty much only a half-point below theirs at one point in time. If the most you have to worry about are social consequences, then it's pretty much identical to the way free speech works in the US.

A lot of our modern issues are the consequence of legislation being made in reaction to something with no consideration to the long-term. The Online Safety Act is a recent example. One unsupervised teen is lured by a grown man on Facebook and got murdered, now the government instituted a sweeping piece of legislation with broad coverage and no care for the ramifications. Most of them know they won't be around to deal with the consequences personally so who cares?
 
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Crunkle said:
I imagine it'll be a Green/Lib Dem coalition versus a Reform/Tory coalition. Badenoch and Jenrick will both lose their seats on these numbers.
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Does Green/Lib Dem having almost 29% seats mean that the British government will generally remain more leftist?
 
Carbiter said:
Does Green/Lib Dem having almost 29% seats mean that the British government will generally remain more leftist?
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Doesn't matter if it remains more leftist if they can't even form a government in the first place.

Also that people are overestimating the Greens and Lib Dems making significant gains due to current polls when constituency FPTP has proven time and again that you can have a massive vote share across the country, it doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to win a lot of seats. You only need to look at UKIP back in 2015 when they got the third biggest vote share and got almost fuck all.
 
Ly Erg said:
Doesn't matter if it remains more leftist if they can't even form a government in the first place.

Also that people are overestimating the Greens and Lib Dems making significant gains due to current polls when constituency FPTP has proven time and again that you can have a massive vote share across the country, it doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to win a lot of seats. You only need to look at UKIP back in 2015 when they got the third biggest vote share and got almost fuck all.
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So would you say that it's possible that Reform gets a majority, or at least the plurality within these seats to the point where they can effectively form a government and reverse the mess?
 
Carbiter said:
So would you say that it's possible that Reform gets a majority, or at least the plurality within these seats to the point where they can effectively form a government and reverse the mess?
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I can see them getting a majority or a very big minority due to labour and the Tories losing a massive vote share each compared to what it was like back in 2015 where they were still getting the vote share you would expect Two Main Parties in a FPTP voting system would get. But we are still in the early years of the current labour government term so anything can happen till the next election (unless it's called early). I don't see labour or Tories going back to what they had unless something radical happens inside those parties (and that isn't happening with the blairites still in charge of labour) that it starts attracting people fed up with the status quo.

Personally I would like any party that manages to beat the two main parties to make history and change the voting system to something that works better to give the finger to Labour and the Tories but I don't see Reform actually sticking with their manifesto pledge to actually change it properly once they replace one of the parties as the new standard.
 
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Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006
Amends the public order act mentioned above meaning that inciting others to be racist/hateful of someone's religion or drawing attention to it in a negative way is now penalised.
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The hilarious thing is that, like so many of these laws, those who call it good when used to protect say, "the religion of peace" are almost guaranteed to be doing the same thing to other religions.

If enforced in an even handed manner the desire for them to be removed would be universal. Selective enforcement keeps the objections reduced despite the fact that the boot is on everyone's neck.
 
Carbiter said:
Does Green/Lib Dem having almost 29% seats mean that the British government will generally remain more leftist?
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29% of the vote doesn't necessarily translate into that many seats. We use First Past the Post system here which was pretty much designed for a two party system.

I think it's just a given that we'll be replacing FPTP at some point, Reform will likely have it in a manifesto or will put it to a referendum vote or something. I do like FPTP and want to avoid having a European system where we have 27 parties to vote for and then we get locked into lengthy coalition discussions (I believe it took Belgium over a year recently to form a government and the Wilders government took about four - five months before collapsing a year later). We do get some kind of stability with FPTP but it is starting to wobble with three/four parties all within 10 points of one another.

First Past The Blacks is my new voting system idea: We just don't change anything but black people put their votes into a special bin box that gets counted separately from normal people votes.
 
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I'd be genuinely surprised if she makes it to Christmas.
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Total aside from the wazzock in charge of the treasury, what’s the obsession with wearing a bikini top too small and pulling it up halfway over your tits now? That and the ‘just a bit of jumper tucked into the waistband at the front’, enormously wide tops that are too short on the body and arms and huge flappy trousers that finish too high up on the ankle. People are dressing like toddlers with neglectful parents. When I see bikini tops worn like that I have an intense urge to pull them down to vaguely support the boobs like they’re supposed to. And probably tuck the label in too, while I’m at it.

At least Rachel Reeves has sensible length trousers. About the only thing she got right, eh?
 
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