Business Business Insider double feature: Loyalty at work no longer pays — and it's employers who are to blame - Bonus: I'm a boomer who's about to retire at 59. I'm nervous about retirement because I'll have less income and too much free time.

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Loyalty at work no longer pays — and it's employers who are to blame​

Steven Piluso - May 31, 2024, 6:41 AM PDT

As a marketing executive and a strategy, management, and operations consultant for two decades, I've heard and read a lot about employee loyalty. The blame seems to always fall on the (perceived) fickle and selfish nature of millennials and Gen Z, thought to be self-centered and loyal only to themselves.

And that's how it would appear — if you hadn't been in the corporate world for decades prior and saw firsthand how the initial social contract that created loyalty was broken by the employers, not employees.

I got an early impression of what company loyalty was supposed to be

After college graduation at age 22, I got my first job at an advertising agency. At the orientation, sitting with mostly entry- or low-level employees, an HR rep went over a lot of confusing information — stuff about common stock, benefits, and a pension plan.

I thought to myself, "Well, I'm going to work here forever and I'll just figure it out later and retire at 65, maybe before that!"

After all, this was what I'd been told by my grandfather right before I left for college. He'd retired after working at the same bank branch for 45 years, working his way from sweeping the floors to branch president.

I'll always remember his words that day at the kitchen table: "In my day, when you got a job, you did that job, whether it's what you wanted or not, until you retired. And you didn't worry about jumping around for money; if you took care of the company, they'd take care of you and your family."

He told me that his pension and healthcare were what kept him comfortable and allowed him to pay considerable medical bills for my grandmother.

Then I watched my company's loyalty perks dry up

About three years into my tenure at that job, a memo informed us that the company was discontinuing its pension program; we could either be paid out or migrate the balance into a 401(k), the new retirement provision for employees.

My colleagues were outraged. There was suddenly talk of "bailing out" by people older than me, but I didn't really get it at the time.
A year later, they announced an IPO and that all common stock would be liquidated and paid out at about $5 per share. The IPO price was $25.
"This used to be a great place to work," was all I kept hearing, though I don't ever recall anything significant that made that company such a great place to spend your career — except for the generous pension and common stock benefit, that is. These were the things that the company used to do to reward loyalty and make you want to stay, and they were gone.

I eventually left, as did many mid- and upper-level employees. I'd realized that since my former company wasn't going to take care of me, I had to do for myself what I could to work towards security and retirement in my future.

The older I get, the more I understand what's been broken

A few years later, I was working at a renowned global advertising agency and found myself in an all-hands client crisis meeting for a Fortune 500 company that was discontinuing its pension program.

My manager explained the magnitude of the situation: People had essentially sought employment at this tech company, perceived as a dinosaur among the dot.coms, specifically for the long-term security it offered.

Worse, many employees who had been there for many years were not "grandfathered" into keeping their pensions, forced to migrate to a 401(k). A unique benefit used as a powerful recruitment and retention tool had been erased.

It took me a while to see the gravity of that moment. Now, as I start to think toward retirement at age 52, I really get it. I have an uncle who'd worked for this same tech company who retired with his pension at a decent age and now spends his summers on his boat teaching sailing near Nantucket and his winters working ski patrol in Vermont.

He gave them 40+ years of his life, and in return they took great care of him. It seems like those days are gone now — or only reserved for the fabulously wealthy.

As I've gotten older, I'm sometimes jealous of friends who took jobs in public education or government. They haven't lived lavishly over the years, but with 30 years' experience can retire at full salary in perpetuity and sleep comfortably without the plague of questions like Will my 401(k) be enough to retire at 60? 70? Will the government move retirement from 65 to 70 and I'll have to work for nearly 20 more years?

I also wonder how much I may have missed along the way because I've had to be so focused on my future, instead of the present.

The broken loyalty contract between employers and workers can be repaired

Is loyalty a dated and dead concept? My answer, despite what I've seen, is an emphatic "No." In fact, the shift in values from Gen-X to millennials and Gen-Z creates a great opportunity to ignite loyalty.

It'll require companies to understand that there's a massive misalignment between what companies think will create loyalty versus what makes employees feel like they work for a great company and want to stay.

Though some startups and next-gen businesses are exceptions, most companies still focus on very linear, financially-based hooks for loyalty: salary, 401(k) match, stock options; maybe work-from-home flexibility.

But as a marketer who has conducted years of research and cultural reconnaissance on Gen Z, millennials, Gen X, and baby boomers, I know that what seems to most drive young people today is the freedom to pursue their passions. They care less about money and are financially driven as a means to an end, pursuing things like side hustles, immersive travel to unusual places, music festivals, costly fitness classes, and mental health investments like therapy and life coaches.

That's why I've strongly encouraged the companies I work with to create sabbatical programs, such as five years of service matched with three months of paid leave to travel or pursue personal interests (with parameters that keep them from quitting on their first day back); to establish corporate partnerships that help employees pursue physical and mental wellness; and to create programs where employees are permitted and encouraged to dedicate a percentage of their paid time pursuing passions or work for non-profits.

A company that matches this demand with benefits, rather than just higher salary, can win loyalty.

Steven Piluso is a marketing operations and strategy consultant and a proud husband and father to two young children.




I'm a boomer who's about to retire at 59. I'm nervous about retirement because I'll have less income and too much free time.​

Essay by Laura Landsbaum - May 27, 2024, 4:14 AM PDT


For the last 20 years, I've had the same two alarms set every weekday — one at 5:15 a.m. and one at 9:17 a.m.

As a Texas high school teacher, the 5:15 alarm is really just a formality. After 20 years of early rising, I'm up before the sun with no prompting required. The 9:17 a.m. alarm is also deeply ingrained; it's the official attendance time when I'm required to pause my instruction and take attendance. It's Texas' official "time of record" by which schools are funded on daily attendance.

It's the schedule I've followed for two decades. But after this week, neither time will matter. I will walk away from teaching and into early retirement at 59, which makes me more than a little nervous.

My income will now be cut in half

I'm unnerved by several things. I'll be "living smaller" on less income. With my pension, my income will be less than half what it has been. My expenses will be lower but won't be cut by 50%.

I've been a remote adjunct instructor at a local community college for the past year, concurrent with my high school job, but the rules of my pension require me to sit out this Fall semester. It took me years of applying to secure that adjunct position. I worry that being forced to sit out the busiest semester of the academic calendar will push me to the back of the adjunct line once again. The pay isn't great, at about $50 per hour, but a few classes certainly can help close the gap in my income.

Since I won't be making nearly enough, I decided to accept a remote writing job, but it doesn't have benefits and won't have any structure or routine. While I'll be doing something I care deeply about, I will still be below the salary I earned this year.

I'm struggling to understand how I will fill my time

For 20 years, the more than 200 teachers in the building have been my daily interaction with adults. We lunch together, and I've shared the rollercoasters of their lives. They've been there to discuss and weigh in on my classroom dilemmas and personal predicaments. Where will the new voices of reason come from?

Wary of only my spouse for interaction, I have big plans. I've applied to join a committee for my community — one that meets monthly to review permits for home improvements, paint colors, and landscape design.

Two Mahjong sets have been growing dusty in my closet for decades. I've found a beginner's group that meets twice monthly that I have every intention of joining. I'm hopeful that Mahjong will keep the cobwebs from settling into the corners of my brain and give me a new group of peers.
Additionally, it's been easy to push off any amount of formal exercise with the "I don't have time" excuse. Now that I'll have the time in retirement, what will my new exercise regime look like? For 20 years, it's been steps in the school building that have been my only exercise. I've always known I need to stave off osteoporosis with weight resistance training, but now will be the time to pick up a dumbbell.

I'm not sure who I am without my job

Finally, for the last 20 years, I have proudly proclaimed that "I teach high school" to anyone who asks about my employment. What will the next answer be? I haven't found one that I'm comfortable with.

I'm not quite ready to say, "I'm retired." That phrase carries too many negative connotations for me. More than 30 years later, I finally understand why my former mother-in-law didn't embrace her new status as "grandmother" with any enthusiasm. Titles carry weight, and I'm not ready to shoulder "retiree."






 
The broken loyalty contract between employers and workers can be repaired
No, it cannot, not without getting rid of what's being accepted as common among learned banker and business types who do everything to maximize profits and treat people as interchangeable cogs. Especially in current year where companies seem to be rushing to crash and burn while those at the top escape with the gold and everyone else just fucking dies off.

Petrol is thankfully down at 1.50 ish a litre now but that’s still 7-8 dollars a gallon and it was almost 11 during Covid.
Grew up along Route 66 over here in the states; one of the things many Europeans do is come over, rent vehicles and drive the Mother Road. It's been a while, but back when gas being over $3.00 a gallon was seen as insane; pack of English dudes on Motorcycles fucking estatic "Utterly amazing, petrol is only $3.00 a gallon." Wanted to go full 1776 on them.
 
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"Utterly amazing, petrol is only $3.00 a gallon." Wanted to go full 1776 on them.
to go back to UK vs US, the reason gas is a reasonable price in the US is because we only pay 12% per gallon of gas in taxes while it's 53.91% (VAT + fuel duty) in the UK. a graph with % tax between multiple european countries from here has been included below for posterity

europe could have nice things if they would stop making bad decisions about everything

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No, it cannot, not without getting rid of what's being accepted as common among learned banker and business types who do everything to maximize profits and treat people as interchangeable cogs. Especially in current year where companies seem to be rushing to crash and burn while those at the top escape with the gold and everyone else just fucking dies off.
The way I view it, nothing will change until "Human Resources" goes back to being "Personnel". Otherwise employees will just continue to be a resource to be consumed and discarded.
 
The way I view it, nothing will change until "Human Resources" goes back to being "Personnel". Otherwise employees will just continue to be a resource to be consumed and discarded.
It's not just HR, it's everything from the top on down. If I was to call HR anything, they're the Praetorian Guard; they not only decide who gets to come in the building, they also run interference from asshole management; and it's the management where the bad decision making comes from. Not saying they're innocent, but HR is "just following orders," but do it with a cold callousness that only the most dedicated psychopaths would be envious of.

And I'm not saying this is the root of the problem, but it is a rather interesting look at what helps contribute to the problem; and big shock, it's educated idiots. I'm honestly surprised this article hasn't been nuked off the Internet. This is from 2009 by the way.

Archive: https://archive.is/Bdj5V

I Taught At Harvard Business School And Ruined Everything​



*NICE TO SEE a chest-beating mea culpa out on the table here, though I find
it a little hard to believe that Harvard Business School professors could
have wrecked capitalism all by their thoughtful little selves.
http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/jul2009/ca2009072_489734.htm
Shoshanna Zuboff:

The idea of devising new rules for managers isn't just a casual thought or theoretical exercise for me. It's personal. That's because I spent a quarter-century as a professor at the Harvard Business School, including 15 years teaching in the MBA program. I have come to believe that much of what my colleagues and I taught has caused real suffering, suppressed wealth creation, destabilized the world economy, and accelerated the demise of the 20th century capitalism in which the U.S. played the leading role.
We weren't stupid and we weren't evil. Nevertheless we managed to produce a generation of managers and business professionals that is deeply mistrusted and despised by a majority of people in our society and around the world. This is a terrible failure. (((Wait a second – a "generation" is despised? Nobody invests in "generations.")))

The Erosion of Trust

If you've read my columns, you know that I regard this loss of trust as a big deal. Trust toward business has reached new lows, with only 10% of Americans now saying they trust large corporations, according to the Apr. 8 edition of the Financial Trust Index. Some 77% of Americans say they refuse to buy products or services from a company they distrust, according to the 2009 Edelman Trust Barometer.

But the sad truth is that even before the current economic crisis, people had lost faith in business. In 2007, only 16% of Americans were confident in business leadership—vs. 55% in the mid-1960s (Harris Poll No. 19, March 2007). Even more startling: In the mid-1950s, about 80% of U.S. adults said that Big Business was a good thing for the country and believed that business required little or no change (Roper, August 1954). (((What's good for General Motors is good for America.)))
When I read such surveys, I hear a cri de coeur from everyone we failed: working moms, devoted dads, dual-career couples, factory workers, office employees, eager young adults, our parents and children, the educated and uneducated, the affluent and struggling. (((I especially like the cri de coeur from the affluent, as this suggests that something of consequence might actually happen in short order.))) This failure has contributed to the decline of American business, to the point that companies have had a hard time creating enough wealth to sustain prosperity for an ever-wider circle of consumers and employees. Margins have shrunk steadily for 40 years; return on sales for the Fortune 500 has been declining since the early 1960s. (((Okay, what happens when business goes out of business? "Collapse," I guess – no big mystery about it. Or "Favela Chic," because there are plenty of areas of the planet where "big business" never bothered to show up in the first place.)))
Many companies reacted to this decline by finding new ways to cut costs. The Harvard Business School, along with other business schools, taught them how: outsourcing, off-shoring, downsizing, reengineering, and finding new overseas markets for old products. Under the flag of "shareholder value," (a concept honed by HBS faculty and glorified in many of our courses), firms also turned to "financialization," another specialty of the curriculum. Since the 1980s, goods-producing firms have made more of their revenue and profits from finance than from selling their products. (((I fail to understand why this is necessarily a bad thing – after all, isn't any form of revenue and profit "financialization"? Money is just paper with some symbols on it. Unless you're planning to abolish money, I dunno how you're supposed to let go of the tarbaby of "finance.")))


Rules for a New Era
Historians observe that financialization is a typical indicator of economic decline. It moved the locus of control of the U.S. economy to Wall Street's increasingly abstract and risky financial instruments, accelerating the downward spiral with devastating results. While fixing Wall Street will help alleviate the current crisis, it's not enough for a return to real prosperity and long-term growth. That will require a rebirth of business based on new rules for a new era.
The old rules that most B-schools have preached were invented a century ago for supplying mass consumers with affordable goods and services. They are poorly suited to the values of today's new consumers, who want help to live their lives as they choose, with personal control, voice, and a practical sense of connection... (((I don't believe in this lives-as-they-choose consumers. I believe in Gothic High Tech, which would be the stricken and tottering heavily financialized superrich, and Favela Chic, who would be those toothgrinding dropouts who despise and distrust business because they've got every rational reason to do that. The well-paid Fordist employees who were supposed to buy Ford cars with high wages are all gone now. The finance biz liked to pretend that they were still prosperous, sank them in debt and denied them a way to earn a living; now their lives are as favela-precarious as, say, the life of a conscience-stricken BUSINESS WEEK columnist.)))
 
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Glad to have served when I did, glad to retire from the military when I did, damned glad to have retired for good when I did.

Worked in various jobs after the military. Resigned from one, was laid off from others, twice with no notice. Had only one civilian job that came close to the stuff done in the Air Force. From what I saw and experienced, most civilian jobs are worth doing only for the paycheck. Civilian employers will cut you loose without compunction, unless you have an employment contract, and very few have such contracts. And when you go you won't be missed long, if at all, and will be soon forgotten.

Hardly the type of environment that engenders loyalty.

The military was far from perfect, but there was always that camaraderie, which often carried us through shitty times. You had your buddies' backs, and they had yours.

Personally am fortunate, what with the military pension/benefits, disability, and Social Security. Medical costs are minimal. Should never be any sort of burden on my kids.

When someone asks me what I do, just tell them I'm a retired Air Force officer. Says it all, right there.
 
The pay isn't great, at about $50 per hour,
Eat a fucking bag of dicks.

And the first guy...

That happened to EVERYONE in the 1990's as the Boomers went "Yeah, we don't want our kids to have the same benefits we do..." and fucked everyone in the ass under the age of 30.

When I got out of the Green Machine I got my certifications from the State (Shit like forklift, crane, hazmat, demo) and went to work for a major construction company. They were talking all kinds of mad shit about benefits.

Then I found out they were only offering $7.50/hr to us new hires and we would NEVER get any options, health care, anything like that. When I asked and pressed they finally admitted that nobody hired after a certain date would get any of the benefits packages they'd touted.

I'd be doing my job for $7.50/hr when they'd told me when I'd signed up that I'd be making comparable wages (Which was at least $25/hr) to the rest of the industry.

Then they decided to pay me like a wetback they picked up at Home Depot.

I said fuck it, walked off, and worked for a smaller company for $22.50/hr + cash bonuses.

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I've always had loyalty. You give me my paycheck and don't fuck with me, I show up for work every day.

But holy shit, I have yet to see any company take care of me half as well as the Green Machine did.

30 days of vacation a year from the Green Machine, full medical, dental, vision. Shitty pay.

Not ONE employer would offer that.

They demanded I show up no matter what, but they could call me on my day off and tell me to come in, or call me at random hours and demand I show up.

I had a company tell me I couldn't go to the ER when one of my kids ended up there because some drunk illegal alien hit the school bus they were on.

I just dropped my shit and walked out while the supervisor yelled at me I couldn't leave.

Funny, I left just fine. I also filed a complaint with Labor & Industries.

They'll demand 2 weeks notice but you come in one day and the door is literally padlocked shut. No shit, had it happen. Or they'll fire the entire work crew. Had that happen.

Or, my favorite, they fire anyone being paid more than minimum wage or who is close to mandatory raises/benefits. Yup, they do that. Had that happen.

Every time, I fucking walk.

Companies talk all this shit about loyalty but they aren't loyal to the worker. At all.

"I got pneumonia from repairing lines at 3AM in a fucking blizzard..."
>Come in or you're fired.
"Hello? Labor & Industries?"

I will say this to any of you still job hunting:

Know your State and Federal rights. KNOW THEM. NEVER GIVE AN INCH ON THEM.

Some states they can't force you to buy 'the uniform' from them. (Wal-Mart is good on that, trying to make you buy 3 pair of pants, 3 shirts)

Some states can't demand you work overtime without 72 hours notice.

Some states they can't change your schedule without 72 hours notice.

Find out the laws in your state.

And never give a fucking inch.

WHEN, not if, WHEN they violate those laws, get it in writing (or use your cell phone to record it) and run straight to your state's version of Labor & Industries and file a case.

They WILL violate those laws. Record EVERY call with them.

That fat white bitch with the perm in HR WILL violate a law sooner or later, thinking you won't know your rights.

LEARN YOUR FUCKING RIGHTS AND NEVER GIVE AN INCH!
 
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It's true, internal promotions pay less than you would get if you job hopped and if they hire someone from the outside they will pay them more that you would have got for a promotion. Generally.

Not only that but in many cases breaking away from your previous roll can be hard because so many people are used to going to you for what they want and they didn't get round to hiring a replacement for you. So you'll be pulling double duty.
And so people just leave for better jobs at other companies, and they have to hire and train someone new anyway. I'll say right now that when I leave (and I am aggressively trying to leave), my team will be slightly fucked, because despite my boss being a worthless moron who thinks I don't do enough, I happen to be the one who knows the most about a bunch of the things my team works on.
 
I fail to understand why this is necessarily a bad thing – after all, isn't any form of revenue and profit "financialization"? Money is just paper with some symbols on it. Unless you're planning to abolish money, I dunno how you're supposed to let go of the tarbaby of "finance."
Financialization in this context specifically refers to making money off of channels other than the goods/services themselves. It can be a bad thing because, in extreme cases, the arm of the company that actually does something can get managed out of its own company. Department stores are a well-known example of this - most of them would be money pits without their credit card income (https://archive.ph/UPO7y).

It's not just HR, it's everything from the top on down. If I was to call HR anything, they're the Praetorian Guard; they not only decide who gets to come in the building, they also run interference from asshole management; and it's the management where the bad decision making comes from. Not saying they're innocent, but HR is "just following orders," but do it with a cold callousness that only the most dedicated psychopaths would be envious of.
The article you quoted is referring to a modern-style company where all work where possible is "efficiently" resold to expert firms. Senior management in these companies sincerely believes in the cargo cult of "modern business", and generally proceeds to create a situation for themselves where nobody is willing to tell them that the outsourced work isn't usable until it's too late for them to do anything about it.

It might be more efficient on paper, but I think Boeing has demonstrated the "success" of this model recently - you realize a small bit of savings until you suddenly realize very large costs all at once.
 
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I'm unnerved by several things. I'll be "living smaller" on less income. With my pension, my income will be less than half what it has been.

Holy Hell you're a fucking teacher and you somehow didn't notice this until now? Find that shit out at least a decade before you are even considering not working any more so you can make additional payments if required. Every payment you skipped will fuck you, and given you are low key flexing on your $75000 pro rata side hustle, you really have no excuses at all. What are you spending the money on? Presumably cocaine?
 
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It might be more efficient on paper, but I think Boeing has demonstrated the "success" of this model recently - you realize a small bit of savings until you suddenly realize very large costs all at once.
I'd argue it doesn't, as what they're saying is what the government world calls sub-contracting. The problem being, you add multiple unneeded levels of bureaucracy, redundant processes, and a host of other things that only exist because the big five (Boeing, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics) practically have blank checks to handle whatever the government asks them to do. But it's also backed up by different levels of government work have security concerns to make sure certain things will be done a certain way, and any deviation will ruin the life of whoever fucks it up.

Part of the problem is that they taught off-shoring and what-not to help cut costs. They don't foster home grown talent and look for ways to penny pinch at every possible level; under the belief that their product won't suffer. Boeing made an airplane that wanted to crash into the ground, because instead of finding a team of turbo autists and paying them $500,000 a year, each, to make a flight computer that won't fail, they paid a pack of pajeets $5 an hour and act fucking surprised when the finished project doesn't work as intended; and God knows what types of downsizing and other reorganizations they've been partaking in. Though I can attest that one of it is getting rid of their experienced maintenance crew; and I know this as a former aircraft maintenance guy myself. You have rules and regulations on how shit is supposed to be done, down to torque values and anything else you may need; the majority of maintenance is making sure you do everything to spec, you're not doing massive calculations or big brain work, you're turning wrenches, busting knuckles, and doing other shit to the tolerances on paper... and whoever they hired, to include the people who sign off on work, aren't fucking following those.

This is what you get, when you teach downsizing, off-shoring, and other shit that eats businesses away from the inside. It's cool they found new ways to make money, it's just a damn shame they built their business of aerospace and now when I hear their name I can't help but think "DEATH TRAP" in bright neon letters.
 
Anyone who thinks there's going to be any kind of pension for anyone below 40 is delusional

Your retirement plan has to either be children or a shotgun. Eventually we'll go back to generational homes and clans. No government program can survive the inverse population pyramid. Especially as we turn ourselves into south africa with immigration
 
I have a friend who had an unusually old father. Borderline grandfather age, but he just knocked up the mom when he was old. Anyways, this dad went from high school to stockboy at a grocery store, and that was it for his entire life. When he finally retired, he had high six-figures saved up AND a pension AND a 401K. Obviously none of the other younger stockers had the benefits he had since they weren't boomers. It really is easy to hate an entire generation when you think about what they have, versus what you'll never get.
 
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