Can science explain everything?

Can science explain everything? Are there things it can’t explain, and if so why?
It should can, but because science relies on human ability, the process is slow and faulty.
Regardless of that, religion doesn't explain shit, just makes assumptions.
It's not under threat. It's fucking gone out the window. With full regulatory capture and even doctors too afraid to speak out.
That's not completely true in East Europe but it will be if the West doesn't fix itself.
 
Yes but you wont like the answer, example: the "just trust the science!" soyjaks denying science harder than any fundie does when it attacks their lefty dogmas.
 
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Like an infinity signalling an error?
Yeah, it’s a great way to trick yourself. The more a system is understood, the less randomness you find in it.

When I’ve seen biogenesis discussed, the entire model is randomness. Two primordial amino acids floating in a chemically perfect proto-ocean bump into each other, and some micro current sweeps them apart again. The next time they collide, something physically mechanical about the way they contact eachother causes them to survive a wave or disturbance, and that repeats itself in defiance of entropy. Eventually they reach a sort of critical mass and turn into life.

I used to believe it.

I mean, a fossil record can show that it’s plausible if you’re set on reverse engineering evolution, but that’s a whole lot of randomness of the type you don’t see in other places.

A single particle from a distant star could hit just right and flip a transistor in a chip in a device of yours and cause a cascade of errors that distracted you while you walked into the street and got hit by a car, but that wouldn’t be randomness. Not in the sense of a breaker of causality.
It’s predictable to something omniscient
religion doesn't explain shit, just makes assumptions.
I’m weird on this one. I wasn’t raised religious, I guess believing in a design or an inevitability justifies a designer. I started on the outside of the whole thing and cobbled bits of this and that together.

Like, what if the God we imagine interacting with humans on a personal level is a Jungian archetype for the whole of the collective subconscious itself? God the father is different than God the creator.
 
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I’m weird on this one. I wasn’t raised religious, I guess believing in a design or an inevitability justifies a designer. I started on the outside of the whole thing and cobbled bits of this and that together.

Like, what if the God we imagine interacting with humans on a personal level is a Jungian archetype for the whole of the collective subconscious itself? God the father is different than God the creator.
You can believe anything you want, and philosophize all that you desire around these issues that none of us really has an answer to, but in the end you don't want planes designed on that nor do you want surgery based in what the surgeon considers revelation from the divine.
 
You can believe anything you want, and philosophize all that you desire around these issues that none of us really has an answer to, but in the end you don't want planes designed on that nor do you want surgery based in what the surgeon considers revelation from the divine.
What I’m trying to say to you is you’re either imagining or hyperbolizing a conflict that isn’t really there.

I wrote the post out somewhere else, but plenty of science, especially in Europe, came out of abbeys and monasteries.

You’re assuming at least that at some level they MUST conflict so extremely that it’s necessary to declare a winner, but that’s honestly a prejudice.

My father in law is religious AND a high school science teacher. We’ve had conversations like this, where I say things you’d assume are heretical, and he finds it interesting. I’m still invited to dinner
 
You’re assuming at least that at some level they MUST conflict so extremely that it’s necessary to declare a winner, but that’s honestly a prejudice.
I am prejudiced against a lot of groups. After all.
I am a reactionary. I see no reason why I, we, should tolerate a number of things that are likely untrue.
I am OK with religion, in most culture war scenarios I'd likely be its ally, so I can satisfy my other prejudices, like against degeneracy.
But other than this pragmatic alliance, it's just nice, old stories from the Middle East blood soaked deserts, if we're to talk about the big 3. Fun to read, like Ramayana.
But don't expect my respect for it. Nor me respecting any laws from it.
Unless it fits my world view, and in that case, hell yeah niggaz, let's hunt us some witches! Glory Glory Hallelujah! Allahu Akbar!
 
You can believe anything you want, and philosophize all that you desire around these issues that none of us really has an answer to, but in the end you don't want planes designed on that nor do you want surgery based in what the surgeon considers revelation from the divine.
I wouldn't want to fly in an airplane built by a philosopher or a theologian, but even less would I would to live in an ethical system designed by a scientist.
 
I wouldn't want to fly in an airplane built by a philosopher or a theologian, but even less would I would to live in an ethical system designed by a scientist.
Yeah I somewhat agree.
My view on this is that ethics should remain the domain of discussion, debate and compromise, BUT they must be informed at all times by what is actually real and palpable, instead of reliance in the supernatural.
 
Regardless of that, religion doesn't explain shit, just makes assumptions.
If you start from the presumption that religion is false, then of course religion's ability to explain things would be inadvertent rather than systematic. But if God does exist, then there just might be something to revealed truth.
 
But other than this pragmatic alliance, it's just nice, old stories from the Middle East blood soaked deserts, if we're to talk about the big 3. Fun to read, like Ramayana.
But don't expect my respect for it. Nor me respecting any laws from it.
I think seeing christianity as a middle eastern religion isn't very accurate. Christianity perceives itself as the new testament being foundational and the old testament a prophecy or foretelling for the new testament.

This means that the leading guidance is the new testament. And this wasn't written Hebrew, but in Greek and were written in various Roman provinces.

There are so many good habits promoted through christianity that simply don't exist in the other two. It is so much more european in character than people give credit for. And this makes sense because the religion got refined for centuries, with the brightests minds stewarding it.
 
You can believe anything you want, and philosophize all that you desire around these issues that none of us really has an answer to, but in the end you don't want planes designed on that nor do you want surgery based in what the surgeon considers revelation from the divine.
I think that’s kind of what I’m asking - science, the scientific method is very good for some things. It’s very good at bridges and planes and surgery. It’s less good at other things - take medicine for example. If you’ve got a badly broken leg, a surgeon will go in and pin it back together using well engineered tools and pins and evidence based best practice. But go to a doc with severe depression and there’s not anything really meaningful and effective they can do. We don’t know how SSRis work, they really don’t work at all for a lot of people. When the medical condition is psychological we are still in the dark ages. When we ask some questions like what is life, or consciousness then we can’t even formulate a question or theory to start the process off. When we ask ‘what’s the best kind of bridge for this place’ we certainly can.
When I’ve seen biogenesis discussed, the entire model is randomness. Two primordial amino acids floating in a chemically perfect proto-ocean bump into each other, and some micro current sweeps them apart again. The next time they collide, something physically mechanical about the way they contact eachother causes them to survive a wave or disturbance, and that repeats itself in defiance of entropy. Eventually they reach a sort of critical mass and turn into life.
Yeah that is a deeply unsatisfying way of explaining it. I think trying to invoke total randomness there is wrong actually. Some chemicals are more prone to combine certain ways. The whole biogenesis debate is pure speculation though, don’t forget that. We dont know, and we never will. Plenty of people think Fred Hoyle was right
We can see the fossil record showing us fluffy proto birds so we can be more sure about that but how things kicked off? It’s all guesses
At what point does something become life?
I read this the other week : https://archive.is/WuR9D
They’re claiming to have found a new form of life that’s smaller than a virus. Are viruses alive? Are these things?
 
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No science can’t explain everything, I don’t think things are so simple and the scientists are smart enough for that.
 
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But go to a doc with severe depression
That might be because we don't yet understand the brain and how it functions, also because a medic cannot truly look for the actual cause of depression. For example, if you're poor and homeless, it's likely those material issues would have to be solved way, way before talking about your mother being patronizing or your dad leaving you at 5.
And religion will not offer us additional insights into how the brain works. It's already said what it had to say. So more science is needed.
And also we need to fix a lot of root causes, medicate less as people cannot just be happy when their material conditions are not conducive to that, and bully psychiatrists and psychologists some.
 
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No, but it offers insight into how people work.
I dont think we are disagreeing - some questions need a scientific lens and some don’t.
As an aside, I’m disappointed that the big five model came to dominance.

I liked that Jung was trying to build a model first and foremost.. (yeah yeah Freud, but Jung = Freud - cocaine)

His cognitive processes bear out under statistical analysis, so there was legitimate discovery in his work.. it wasn’t all bullshit.

The big five model threw it away, though. Now Jung’s work is gathering dust. I think he was onto something, though, in that we block off parts of our psyche that are too messy, and the mess doesn’t go away just because we stopped looking at it.

Actually, he had a stated goal in therapy; the full integration of the psyche. No locked doors to hide messy rooms in your mind.

How does the big five model qualify anything? Narcissists are unlikely to kill themselves, should we all be narcissistic?
 
That might be because we don't yet understand the brain and how it functions, also because a medic cannot truly look for the actual cause of depression. For example, if you're poor and homeless, it's likely those material issues would have to be solved way, way before talking about your mother being patronizing or your dad leaving you at 5.
And religion will not offer us additional insights into how the brain works. It's already said what it had to say. So more science is needed.
And also we need to fix a lot of root causes, medicate less as people cannot just be happy when their material conditions are not conducive to that, and bully psychiatrists and psychologists some.
Depression is also often a response to other health problems, both physical and mental. An autistic person with early onset arthritis, a tumor in their middle finger, sensory issues, and extreme anxiety is probably going to have depression due to one of those things. Could be the tumor not allowing them to flip people off. Could be the hyper sensitive hearing. Could be all the above.
 
Depression is also often a response to other health problems, both physical and mental. An autistic person with early onset arthritis, a tumor in their middle finger, sensory issues, and extreme anxiety is probably going to have depression due to one of those things. Could be the tumor not allowing them to flip people off. Could be the hyper sensitive hearing. Could be all the above.
Yeah, and besides this there are the external material conditions too, most of which you are not able to control, and cannot be fixed by just one person.
But try telling a depressive patient that, after decades of medicine wrongly approaching this illness as one in its own category, that you can just medicate away, regardless of being poor, fat, ill, homeless etc.
 
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No.

Science is only a tool for understanding things in nature and our universe. Outside of that, science becomes retarded fantasy. For example, there doesn't exist a 4th dimension. The dimension bullshit is a misunderstanding of adding multiple variables to an equation or using anti derivatives. They all correspond to properties of the 3rd dimension. And only the 3rd dimension can be measured.
 
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